uriel238 ,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Whenever essential functions (e.g. access) are powered, they're supposed to have manual overrides. I'm pretty sure this is a regulatory requirement even here in the States where we're stupid and regulatory agencies are mostly captured.

So WTF happened, Tesla? Where's the manual override for when the battery fails?

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar
Kecessa ,

That's for if you're inside, a mechanical access has to exist on the outside as well, no?

DBNinja ,

You can also "jump" the car to open it via a 12V access port in the front.

Kecessa ,

Yeah, doesn't help much in case of actual emergency does it?

cybersandwich ,

Then break the fucking window if it's an actual emergency.

AbidanYre ,

They did

The child was safely removed from the car after firefighters used an ax to smash through a window

cybersandwich ,

I know.

My response was to the previous comment.

In a non Tesla, if someone is locked in a car, what happens? There isn't some secret "let me in" button. You just break a window. This is a dumb story.

Kecessa ,

If someone is locked in your car and you're the owner you simply use the key and open the door, no need to break anything, except in a Tesla.

Cort ,

Some cars aren't quite that simple, on newer models they're hiding the keyhole on the bottom side of the handle behind a cover. But usually those models won't lock with the keys inside the car

IamAnonymous ,

My keyfob battery was dead and I couldn’t use the hidden keyhole to unlock it. I watched a video on YouTube but I still wasn’t able to make it work. It wasn’t an emergency but I would just break the glass if it was one.

histic ,

Unless your keys get locked inside too

skulblaka ,
@skulblaka@startrek.website avatar

I mean, presumably if I'm standing outside my car with a key, I just unlock the door and open it. Can't do that with a dead tesla.

TBi ,

Agree. The only worry is the flying glass might hurt the child.

catloaf ,

Tempered glass is designed to not be sharp when broken. But they break a window furthest from the person inside to limit damage.

They can also use some tools to remove the window in mostly one piece after cracking it, rather than smashing it and sending glass flying.

Soggy ,

Tempered glass is still sharp but it breaks into tiny pieces so it can't cut deeply.

Kecessa ,

Yeah, that's much quicker than just unlocking the door with your fucking key, right?

Lost_My_Mind ,

Yeah......because breaking the window as your first option in an emergancy is a GREAT idea. No need for a manual handle with a key, right? What a stupid idea that would be.

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

It's not your first option in an emergency. Normally you just open the door. Breaking the glass is several layers of things-not-working deep.

Honytawk ,

So breaking the glass as the second step isn't a good option.

DBNinja ,

I don't disagree there!

Darkassassin07 ,
@Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca avatar

No. You just need to be able to exit without power. Getting back in mechanically isn't a requirement.

It should be, but it's not.

Kecessa ,

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piecat ,

Damn, even fighter jets have an external override. They're even labeled for rescue workers.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/259aef3d-a98d-472d-835c-ae33c1e946ae.jpeg

NaoPb ,

I don't know who Jettison Canopy is but I hope he's around when you need to do this.

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

A car window is a lot easier to shatter than a fighter jet canopy.

Mirshe ,

Not these Teslas, from what I understand. The type of glass they use is EXTREMELY resistant to shattering.

Xtallll ,
@Xtallll@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Those are inside the car, doesn't help if there's a toddler stuck in the car.

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

As discussed in the article, even.

tabular ,
@tabular@lemmy.world avatar

When has it ever been difficult to get out of a car?? Why does this page exist??

assassin_aragorn ,

It's basic safety for industrial plants to designate powered equipment as "fail open" or "fail closed" or on/off. It's shocking that this wasn't applied to Tesla cars.

We really need an industry that performs industrial grade HAZOPs on consumer products and publishes a report for everyone to see.

todd_bonzalez ,

The headline rambles a little bit, and by the time I got to ", died", I thought the toddler was dead.

EddoWagt ,

"Arizona toddler rescued..." I dont think a dead child can be rescued anymore

mrgreyeyes ,

It becomes a repatriation.

RootBeerGuy ,
@RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.

zewm ,
@zewm@lemmy.world avatar

Is it possible to learn this power? 🤔

radicalautonomy ,

"Arizona toddler...died"

Brian Regan once equipped that he had taken a speed-reading course. "Since then, I can read 2000 words per minute. But...my comprehension's plummeted."

ripripripriprip ,

That's no accident.

obinice ,
@obinice@lemmy.world avatar

Why not just open the door with the key like every car ever

tabular ,
@tabular@lemmy.world avatar

It's so obvious, then again I think there's some cars out there without even a metal key for the engine. So dumb.

erwan ,

My car (Citroën) has a contact less key, I don't have to get it out of my pocket and the car automatically opens.

But it still includes a small physical key to open the car when the battery (of the car or key) is dead.

tabular ,
@tabular@lemmy.world avatar

The metal key is attached to the contactless key or is it a seperate device?

Tlaloc_Temporal ,

It's usually stored inside the key fob.

Buttons ,
@Buttons@programming.dev avatar

There was a time I wanted a Tesla, but I don't anymore. This is just another reason why.

Does Tesla care about making a "neat thing" or do they care about making "a car that can drive me places". The doors clearly show they prioritize making a "neat thing", but I want a reliable car.

Opening and closing doors was a solved problem. Somehow Tesla made it worse.

Imgonnatrythis ,

Does Tesla care about making a "neat thing" or do they care about making "a car that can drive me places"

Neither. Care about making money.

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

One thing about Musk, I think he does care more about making a thing. Money is involved; but mostly because it's necessary to make the thing.

It's just that the things he wants to make are increasingly stupid and childish.

Imgonnatrythis ,

I think at this point Tesla is more about stockholders than it is Musk.

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Boy you would think that, but it is clearly not the case. At least not primarily.

Although it's definitely more of a factor than his other companies.

Wahots ,
@Wahots@pawb.social avatar

Same, but cars in general now. I used to look forward to driving, but now I'm sick of it. Biking and ebikes have made going places fun again :)

laurelraven ,

Tesla isn't a car... It's an EXPERIENCE!!!

(/s just in case it isn't obvious enough)

suction , (edited )

I understand wanting a Tesla maybe 5-6 years ago when they were a little ahead of the competition and the only ones with a big touch screen etc. and people didn’t understand that “self driving” is just a marketing term. And of course Musk hadn’t fully revealed his political agenda.

Not nowadays? Almost all EV are better than Tesla and at the very least buying one doesn’t line the pockets of a Nazi.

MeanEYE ,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

In summary, Tesla the company cares about not going bankrupt. Edge they have been walking on since inception. Musk on the other hand cares about money and being on TV non-stop because he's a narcissist asshole. Problem is, those two have colliding interest because Musk is majority holder now and Tesla has to make what he says in his drug induced and poorly educated rambles. He wasn't a majority holder for a while thanks to 42.0B$ fuck yea deal with then soon to be announced X but at the time Twitter. Now stock holders voted to give him 40B$ bonus to keep him in "leading role".

So in short it's a shitstorm. Stupid car that had a great idea but was ruined by narcissistic manchild. Car which you can only repair in authorized service centers by the way which is something no one talks about. Car that eats away your tires and some people report having to replace tires every six months. And on top of that, you have no spare tire to begin with. That means you run over a nail, tow truck for you it is.

Oh and I haven't said anything about share holders because they are plain old idiots. Tesla is not paying dividends and never planned to do so. So people buy stocks to have them? I don't know some sort of mystery. And even then, they buy stocks, then Musk hypes them up a bit, sells quintillion shares and bails out, which is why he's not allowed to talk about Tesla without babysitter. So share holders buy stocks, lose money and cheer for Musk.

pewgar_seemsimandroid ,

where's the manual door release?

nailingjello ,

Inside the car (sadly). No manual release on the outside.

pewgar_seemsimandroid ,

im as stupid as a baby, i still actually meant the inside but OFC the baby can't figure that out.

Grippler ,

On the door

thefartographer ,

Where's the door?

Grippler ,

If you can't find the door on a car, you're too far gone to help.

thefartographer ,

But there is babby in crar. How girl get pragnent?

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Read the article

AceBonobo ,

I'd love to see a crank on EVs to power the low voltage stuff in emergencies. How many amps does the car startup take? 15A? Maybe bicycle pedals.

ryannathans ,

Yabba dabba dooooo

Duamerthrax ,

Or just have manual doors and locks with an electric actuator if you really want those "smart" features.

lagomorphlecture ,

Have your manual doors, peasant, but I will not debase myself in such a fashion.

Duamerthrax ,

pfft, ok. If the rich want to cook themselves, all the easier to eat.

bandwidthcrisis ,

So we would have come full circle. That actually has a retro appeal to it that it could catch on!

https://youtu.be/8EWDRHC2dzg

_sideffect ,

Does the indoor lever (hidden) not work without the battery too?

octopus_ink ,

Not sure, but 20 month old toddler...

Blackout ,
@Blackout@kbin.run avatar

The only sensible solution then is to ban toddlers from EVs. They'll just have to walk.

EngineerGaming ,
@EngineerGaming@feddit.nl avatar

Just strap them into a stroller tethered to the back of the EV.

octopus_ink ,

The only sensible solution then is to ban toddlers from EVs. They’ll just have to walk.

Better give 'em guns too. With all that walking maybe they can stop a school shooting or two.

nailingjello ,

Yes, the interior manual release works without power, but the only person in the car was a toddler in a car seat and they were not able to open it themselves.

Notyou ,
@Notyou@sopuli.xyz avatar

Oh great! So someone couldn't pull themselves up by their bootstraps and now they want a hand-out. I bet this "toddler" doesn't even pay taxes.

/s

thefartographer ,

Woke toddler was working for Big Baby to make Tesla look bad

Also, firefighters are just beefy sexy shills for the axe industry

FiskFisk33 ,

I though it was working against Big Baby *ahem*

_sideffect ,

Ah yes... The typical downvotes for asking a question. Brilliant people we have here on lemmy, real stand up fellows.

xc2215x ,

Glad the toddler could be saved.

Nougat ,

The car’s owner, Renee Sanchez, was taking her granddaughter to the zoo, but after loading the child in the Model Y, she closed the door and wasn’t able to open it again. “My phone key wouldn’t open it,” Sanchez said in an interview with Arizona’s Family. “My car key wouldn’t open it.” She called emergency services, and firefighters were dispatched to help.

Just so nobody thinks someone left a kid in the car and then went into a store or something. Tesla should be paying for the broken window repair at the very least.

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

Also, this is similar to a use case that Telsa likes to promote. They allow you to leave the climate on while the car is locked.

This makes me never want to trust the dog and camp modes they advertise.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/322c99db-d397-4dde-ae8d-cbc52ef1f96e.jpeg

Nougat ,

In this specific example, I believe the driver buckled the child, closed the door, then was unable to open any door before starting the vehicle. Is it possible to either start the vehicle or at least turn on the climate control from outside? If not, this was a horribly dangerous situation.

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, this wasn’t even intentional. The car just shit out while she was getting the car situated. Very scary.

DBNinja ,

Not without the 12V. I'm pretty sure most of the internal electronics are dependent on that working. There's an access port so you can "jump" the 12V with another car, which I think would then allow you to open the door though.

IMongoose ,

I think I just saw an article saying that dog mode is currently broken lol

ForgottenFlux OP ,

Tesla didn’t respond to a request for comment; it has dissolved its press office.

cheese_greater ,

MadLad that Elmo is

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Honestly it's pretty smart. There's nothing you can say in the modern age that won't be intentionally misrepresented, misquoted, or otherwise twisted. Plus there's really no defending stupid decisions like this. Same reason Apple almost never comments on anything that isn't marketing. They know they can't justify their bullshit.

DaddleDew ,

Let me fill in for them then: "We CoUlDn'T PoSsIbLy pReDiCt ThAt tHiS wAs GoInG tO hApPeN!"

That's the usual typical Corporate bad faith answer to whenever a serious consequence that everyone could see coming but they kept ignoring finally happens.

iturnedintoanewt ,
@iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee avatar

Does it also send a poop emoji now?

Neato ,
@Neato@ttrpg.network avatar

Sounds like journalists can just make shit up and publish it. "Telsa declined to comment." so I guess it's true until corrected.

frezik ,

It's how journalists apply pressure to companies to respond. "We have statements x, y, and z from the public about you. Do you care to respond? We need to go to press with it in two hours." Companies can ignore it if they want, but the statements will go uncontested.

cyborganism ,

My 1998 Honda Civic SE hatchback was all manual. Manual windows with the canks, manual door locks, manual steering (no power steering), no braking assist, no assist of ANY kind in fact, and a manual transmission. It was basically an engine, four wheels and a steering wheel.

If EV manufacturers could make cars that are closer to my old Civic, with the only difference being the engine being swapped for an electric motor, I would switch in a heartbeat. For now I'll stick with my 2010 Mazda 3, which I barely use except for the occasional trip to my family or friends who are out of the city or to do my groceries once a week. Until cars start using manual controls for essentials like door handles and locks, audio systems and temperature control, I want none of it.

I'm already having trouble with touch screen tablets when I'm not driving, let alone when I need to focus on the damn road.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

I'm with you but I'm still hesitant because I like my manual transmission

0110010001100010 ,
@0110010001100010@lemmy.world avatar
Bezier ,
@Bezier@suppo.fi avatar

simulates the way a multi-gear transmission operated

m8

I like driving stick, but if I get an electric car, I think I'll pass this toy.

kusivittula ,

i think kia ev6 is as manual as electric cars get. you can adjust the climate control with knobs, and move the seat manually!

TransplantedSconie ,
@TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee avatar

Wish Version Iron Man:

"Really? Do you think its 2010 again?

This is the fuuuuuuttttuuurrreeee!!!"

snorts Ketamine and twirls out the door

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