photonic_sorcerer , (edited )
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I voted for him. Sad to see him leave. It doesn't seem like we have many advocates for digital privacy in the parliament.

e: typo

kilgore_trout , (edited )
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Die Linke voted similarly on many issues to the Pirate Party.

Floshie ,

I would have considered voting for them, except there was no list with their name where I live

cheesecakecat ,
@cheesecakecat@lemmy.world avatar

God fucking damn it

themoonisacheese ,
@themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works avatar

I was considering voting for the pirate party, but they polled at less than 5% in France and it was not a useful vote, which was evidently needed.

Etienne_Dahu ,

I still voted for them, because I could.

And I'm sick of the useful vote thing, I did it last time in 2022 against Le Pen and all I got was a lousy President.

Kecessa , (edited )

Better a lousy president than a fascist, hell, boring politicians is what we should aim for!

kilgore_trout , (edited )
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    Kecessa , (edited )

    Strategic voting is what you're stuck doing depending on your local electoral process.

    She's going to become president in 2024, she could have become president in 2022 instead.

    tabular ,
    @tabular@lemmy.world avatar

    If a party won't fix the serious issue to let me also vote for who I want, they're not entitled to my vote.

    Kecessa , (edited )

    You can deny the reality of the electoral system you're stuck with all you want, at the end of the day you're probably one of the people that will end up suffering the most because of it.

    tabular ,
    @tabular@lemmy.world avatar

    Voting for a party I don't want is also suffering, though I doubt you'd believe that. Keeping the main parties in power via a rigged system ain't ending this catch 22 cycle.

    Kecessa ,

    I don't know who's worse, the person making people suffer or the person who could have prevented it doing nothing out of principle?

    Because that's exactly what people are doing by letting the right win by refusing to be strategic. Your opponent will 100% act strategically.

    tabular ,
    @tabular@lemmy.world avatar

    It is my hope that greater political diversity will prevent more suffering in the long run by governments better representing the people.

    It's very comfortable to blame others if your political opponents get into power. If you don't have another suggestion I can at least leave you with the small comfort that this bad person won't vote for the main party you dislike the most out of spite.

    Kecessa ,

    Ok so let people suffer now to prevent suffering in the future?

    How many people?

    For how long in the future are we looking?

    You think as an opponent to Le Pen you're not one of those who will suffer?

    I'm starting to believe that the Russian trolls are now focusing on the French election.

    Tu parles français au moins?

    tabular ,
    @tabular@lemmy.world avatar

    Lucky for you I'm not French. I just oppose tactical voting in favor of voting in someone who may have a chance of removing the need for tactical voting.

    I don't know how long it will take and I don't know which paths actually leads to the least amount of suffered in the short term. I just know it needs to change.

    Bumblefumble ,

    No she isn't? Macron is president until the next French presidential election in 2027.

    errer ,

    Prolly their confusion is that Macron called for new elections, but unlike some parliamentary governments Macron isn’t selected by parliament.

    Mubelotix ,
    @Mubelotix@jlai.lu avatar

    I mean yes, Macron was dumb on this one, but he isn't as dumb as that

    WhatYouNeed ,

    Don't expect a Le Pencil supporter to understand reason.

    kilgore_trout ,
    @kilgore_trout@feddit.it avatar

    Yes, I misunderstood how the system works in France.

    index ,

    both macron and lepen are two corrupted fascists tricking you like a chicken into choosing a side and voting for them instead of "wasting your vote"

    teolan ,
    @teolan@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah, the greens had a risk of not getting 5% so it was much more worthwhile to vote for them.

    tabular ,
    @tabular@lemmy.world avatar

    You should be able to vote for both.. 😮‍💨

    admin ,
    @admin@lemmy.my-box.dev avatar

    Eh, I'd much rather vote for a party that aligns with my values but might not get a seat, in hopes it will inspire more people to do so next time around.

    BrianTheeBiscuiteer ,

    Vote your conscience while you can. I'm pretty much stuck voting for slightly left of center candidates (in the US) because the opposition is to the right of Kim Jong Un depending on the issue.

    CaptainSpaceman ,

    You trust polls?

    themoonisacheese ,
    @themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works avatar

    And I was right to; pirate party got less than 1% of votes, also due to the fact they couldn't afford to have their voting paper in most places.

    admin ,
    @admin@lemmy.my-box.dev avatar

    Thanks for being part of the self-fulfilling prophecy, I guess.

    manucode ,
    @manucode@infosec.pub avatar

    Where do you live that you can print your own ballot?

    themoonisacheese ,
    @themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works avatar

    France. The parties have to pay the government if they want their ballot already present at the election place. As a citizen, you may also bring any ballot you want (within some very reasonable rules), so the smaller parties instruct you to print your own to save on costs.

    manucode ,
    @manucode@infosec.pub avatar

    OMG. Here in Germany you sometimes get an entire booklet of ballot papers, if necessary. You wouldn't even be allowed to bring your own ballot. Otherwise, one could secretly mark their own ballot in some way, thereby undermining the secrecy of the vote.

    CosmoNova ,

    Polls are problematic in that they reinforce their own predictions. It's especially frustrating in recent years when you're bombarded with them even when there's no election in sight. Problem is, governing parties are usually busy governing while populists are campaigning 24/7. Media has made a huge effort to reinforce the trend and get people used to living in a far right era. Polls are unhelpful and destort democracy to a dangerous degree.

    Tetsuo ,

    I would have voted for the Pirate Party if there was a ballot for them.

    Didn't print it beforehand so I couldn't.

    Last time I printed my own ballot they just didn't count it and my vote was considered invalid. Even though I had the exact size required by regulations...

    seliaste ,
    @seliaste@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Same... I hate having to vote useful

    Grippler ,

    Fuck, this is seriously bad news

    WhatAmLemmy ,

    I always expected us to never address our ecological destruction or climate change in any meaningful way, and instead devolve into some techno-feudalist, fascist dystopia before the civilisation collapses into a death spiral... But man... I've never wanted to be wrong more in my entire life.

    Watching the EU regress in unison, back down the auth path, is not how I expected it would go down.

    JoMiran ,
    @JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

    “Cyberpunk was a warning, not an aspiration.” -- Mike Pondsmith

    rottingleaf ,

    Kinda alarmist tone.

    I always expected for the irrational opinion of people in many Western countries that they can get anything by voting for it to meet the hard cold reality, but it never was anything like "end of the world".

    I'm hopeful. A certain kind of evil people have felt their power and are slowly becoming complacent, which means that the European societies will get a shot at getting rid of them, for the time being. And then there will be a dawn after this sunset.

    Though that "allowing the snake to raise its head" thing should be done carefully, so that you'd still be alive when the opportunity to crush that head arises.

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