fah_Q ,

How about you promise to remove your build in spyware?

bobs_monkey ,

Musnt anger the shareholders

wreckedcarzz ,
@wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world avatar

"we will change nothing but announce it like we did"

MehBlah ,

There is no way I'm going to use a machine where they can turn on something remotely through a update or some other fashion. I probably won't even have a 11 vm at home now. I'll keep the 10 vm for its minor uses until it can no longer do the few things I use it for but that is it for me. Remove that garbage or lose more of us macroshaft.

BombOmOm ,

It boggles the mind this isn't an external download you have to specifically navigate to their website to download and install. The fact it is soon to be on Win 11 systems, just a toggle away, is terrifying. Particularly since lots of people handle your personal data, while data collectors like this are on their machines (and many of those machines will have the collector turned on).

RustyShackleford ,
@RustyShackleford@literature.cafe avatar

I wish, now have a i9-14900KF, so guessing no more Windows 10 anymore. Planning to make a Linux partition, but frustrating the way that Windows tries so adamantly to take boot priority.

vikingtons ,
@vikingtons@lemmy.world avatar

I'd recommend separate physical disks if possible. Set your boot order via uefi

RustyShackleford ,
@RustyShackleford@literature.cafe avatar

Thanks. I’ve personally never altered boot order before, but it can’t be too complicated, right?

flappy ,

Is Windows 10 unsupported by the newest processors?

RustyShackleford ,
@RustyShackleford@literature.cafe avatar

I looked it up shortly after posting, surprisingly seems like Windows 10 is supported, but 11 did better in a few of the tests.

Evilcoleslaw ,

I don't even care if it's opt-in. I don't want dormant malware on my PC either.

To be clear. I actually like Windows 11. I don't care about the general telemetry, though I disabled the typing data crap. Most of the things in the last few months about ads in Windows, about blocking apps, etc have been overblown and aren't actually big problems in isolation. Even this is a little overblown right now as it requires an NPU which the vast majority of systems don't have. But, this is just so tone-deaf and an obviously terrible idea that it needs to be put down hard.

Rolando ,

Yeah, they're so focused on screwing me over that I'm worried eventually I'll miss something.

conciselyverbose ,

Most of the things in the last few months about ads in Windows, about blocking apps, etc have been overblown and aren't actually big problems in isolation.

Any telemetry sent without a very clearly informed opt in is malicious. Any ad in an OS is malicious. There is no valid justification for either.

circuscritic ,

I maintain one baremetal Windows install that gets fairly regular use. It's on a major OEM business class workstation with a legit Windows 10 pro license.

Recently, I had to wipe and reset and goddamn do they try and trick you into choosing all the worst spyware settings AND even if you successfully duck and weave past them, they'll just cheat and enable them, or reinstall shit like co-pilot during an update.

They just made me sign into that shitty M365 app to install a legit subscription of Office, and on the next reboot, it converted the local user account into an online user account.

Make no mistake, Recall is going to be enabled by hook, or by crook, for the vast majority of Windows 11 users in due time. No matter how many times they disable it, or opt out.

RustyShackleford ,
@RustyShackleford@literature.cafe avatar

Yup. We’re back to the old days where Microsoft didn’t give a damn and enabled things by default.

It’ll take less than a decade before they get sued, yet again. By then, the penalty will be <5% of what they’ve made, but the merry go round will circle back and start all over.

A_Very_Big_Fan ,

Why the hell wasn't it opt-in from the beginning?

random_character_a ,
@random_character_a@lemmy.world avatar

It'll be opt-in, till it isn't.

conciselyverbose ,

For the same reason it used an unprotected DB. Because they don't give a shit about your privacy or security.

HotsauceHurricane ,

Def considering fedora for my surface 7. Microsoft & their shit is unacceptable.

01189998819991197253 ,
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar
HotsauceHurricane ,

Ive been using linux for like a year & a half !

01189998819991197253 ,
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

Sweet! I was just being funny with my GIF, but I do honestly love the OS ecosystem, and think that everyone will like it more than Windows if only they'd give it the proper opportunity.

HotsauceHurricane ,

Im running a manjaro+openbox disto called MABOX linux on my chromebook. It’s fantastic for the low spec nonsense machine. But def considering fedora for the surface. Its come a long way apparently.

01189998819991197253 ,
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

I'm actually having issues with fedora silverblue not updating. It's pretty frustrating, but a risk I knew going into immutable. I don't have time right now to figure out a fix. Regardless, I would totally do fedora again and recommend it to nonbeginners. It's an awesome variant, even coming into it from debian-based distros with only cursory knowledge of dnf.

HotsauceHurricane ,

I feel ya.
I tried to revert back to kernel 6.7 from 6.9 and now my chromebook is being a turd.

gnuplusmatt ,

Opt-in does not matter, if I message or email someone who has it on, my personal data has been collected without my knowledge or consent.

This shouldnt have been built in the first place, it's irresponsible

helpImTrappedOnline ,

This raises an excellent point not considered. This goes for all texts as well if the other person uses the "your phone" app. Discord, matrix, signal, telegram etc are all compromised by this existing on a system.

Will my browser's "private mode" be respected or it is going to store every inappropriate thing I search?

Are password managers safe? How about bank security questions? How often are those actaully obfuscated. The last 4 digits of social security numbers are usually unobfuscated, which is also what a lot of intuitions (stupidly) use to verify your ID over the phone. What if I want to look at the PDF of my tax documents?

What if my HR manager has this enabled and starts viewing PDFs containing private information about employees, payroll data, finances and whatever else is sellable on the dark web.

How about govermnet data? Sure maybe the pentagon IT staff will completely block it, but what about local gov committee ABC that's collecting voter information?

That type of data is valuable enough that it will be targeted regardless of what protection MS attempts. Based on the fact they didnt bother encytping the data from the start, my faith is low.

The implications of this are insane.

squirrelwithnut ,

That's true of any malware on your contact's computer or an unsecure server, though. That is not specific or novel to this feature.

(I'm not saying I like this feature, or think it's a good idea. I don't, and it's not)

ober9000 ,

So what you are saying is, is that it's malware. I agree.

yggstyle ,

As a reminder this was the go-to play for Facebook when they were caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Default it off until nobody's looking and change it slightly so it was named 'differently' and on it went again.

chemicalwonka ,
@chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

opt-in until next update when it will be enabled "magically"

xavier666 ,
@xavier666@lemm.ee avatar

Let me tell exactly what will happen.

  • Step 1 - It's opt-in. Everyone chill
  • Step 2 - It's opt-in but the opt-in button is advertised during startup
  • Step 3 - "opting in in crucial for your safety and comfort" advertised everytime during startup
  • Step 4 - it's opt-out now but it can be turned off in settings
  • Step 5 - it's opt-out but the off button is hidden below 3 layers
  • Step 6 - the opt-out button is gone but can be turned off with a registry edit
  • Step 7 - sorry, it's a core component of W11

We are currently at Step 1

This comment is taken from another lemmy post but I forgot the username. Apologies.

iAvicenna ,
@iAvicenna@lemmy.world avatar

If you don't opt in you will miss essential security updates and you will become a terrorist

Sparkles ,
@Sparkles@fedia.io avatar

Yeah I don’t know what to do with this. I’m about to start to start wfh and handle a lot of data that cannot be shared and comes with big fines for mishandling. I have to have office, mainly excel. Is Apple my only option? I know Linux exists, but I’m not a power user, I struggle with my printer.

seanziepples ,

Is your company not providing you a computer? It's up to them to manage that risk.

Sparkles ,
@Sparkles@fedia.io avatar

I am going wfh and I have to use their one drive to access client data. They will provide a computer, but versus my home setup it’s simply not worth it. I saw the idea about virtual windows and Linux machine. I’ve never done it but I imagine I can with some trial and error. But I’m wondering if even that is safe.

seanziepples , (edited )

What do you mean it's not worth it? If you use the company's computer it's on them to handle all the liability. If you use your own computer then you're now on the hook. It is 100% worth it to use the company-provided computer.

Sparkles ,
@Sparkles@fedia.io avatar

Basically, they provide a decent Chromebook. It’s nearly impossible given the actual tasks. So I need to find a better way.

seanziepples ,

That's not on you. I would communicate with management and illustrate that you can't do your job without a proper computer. If they refuse to help, get it in writing. You should not be held accountable.

MidnightBanjo ,

I feel like not wanting to do the work for certain Steam games is what keeps me on windows for my personal use (work makes the decision on my work machine).

I know it’s possible, I just don’t want to do the work

toynbee ,

No judgement for your choices, but just so you know, it's basically no work for the majority of games.

univers3man ,

With the exception of any major games that have anti-cheat. I miss League of Legends.

toynbee ,

Yeah, anti-cheat and the Ubisoft launcher have been the only consistent obstacles. protondb.com is a fantastic resource, though.

I'm not a fan of LoL, so I can't say from personal experience, but it looks like PlayOnLinux claims to support it. Hope you find your joy!

drislands ,

I wouldn't say "any" major games. Helldivers 2 is a notable exception.

toynbee ,

I've played Helldivers 2 with no obstacles and no additional setup.

drislands ,

That's what I'm saying. It has anticheat, and it runs on Linux without issue.

toynbee ,

Ah, I apologize. I definitely was not fully awake when I read your original comment.

drislands ,

No worries, I may have just been unclear considering multiple people appear to have downvoted my comment.

MidnightBanjo ,

Good to know. I know wine can get steam going (assuming you don’t just use the Linux version). How do you get steam to download and install the game if it says it’s the wrong operating system? Sorry if that’s a dumb question

toynbee ,

Your question isn't dumb. You just haven't been exposed to the environment. Please feel free to ask any question about this you have and, if I don't answer, someone else probably will.

If you install the Linux version of Steam, it should allow you to download any game. There's a checkbox in the Steam settings that says something like "run non compatible games through proton" (not what it says, but the general sentiment). Checking that and restarting Steam once is the extent of the setup required; after that, it's essentially the same process as running a game in Windows (with the few exceptions mentioned by another commenter). Non Steam games should be able to be run by Lutris, PlayOnLinux or adding a non Steam game to Steam, but I mostly haven't done that myself so I can't vouch for it. Sincerely, for most games, it's an easy process.

I'm no expert, but if you decide to pursue this and get stuck, please feel free to reach out to me and I'll do my best to help. The link below seems like a good starting point:
https://geekflare.com/install-steam-on-linux/

MidnightBanjo ,

Thanks, I appreciate the advice and kind attitude. I’ll check it out

sfxrlz ,

How is it for racing sims ? Last time I checked it didn’t look too good in terms of wheel drivers and games running ootb on Linux, or did I just not look in the right places?

toynbee , (edited )

I'm sorry, as much as I'd love to, I don't have an answer to this.

edit: corrected a word.

sfxrlz ,

No worries, I had already given up on it for now I was just curious if someone could convince me to fully switch, or rather point me towards some open source projects I could use.
Right now I boot into win11 for gaming and into fedora for everything else.
Thanks anyway!

patatahooligan ,
@patatahooligan@lemmy.world avatar

Go to protondb.com and search for the games you're interested in. If your profile is public, I think you can import your entire library and browse through it instead of manually searching for each individual game. Ideally you want "platinum" compatibility but I've personally never had problems with "gold" games either.

werefreeatlast ,

So it will use AI to auto detect penises to prevent embarrassing video recordings.

FilthyCheese ,

Time to get a wiggly, wobbly dick cursors.

JigglySackles ,

Too little too late, I'm not getting any more versions of windows.

SpaceCowboy ,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

Oh.... Microsoft, Microsoft, Microsoft.

A friend of mine tried one of their "special offers" he nearly got himself lobotomized!

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