DuckDuckGo is down. Is there any info about it?? ( lemmy.world )

Update: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-outage-affects-bing-copilot-duckduckgo-and-chatgpt-internet-search/

It's also important to note that ChatGPT internet search and DuckDuckGo are experiencing similar issues because they use the Bing API.

suction ,

works for me, homes

Firebirdie713 ,

I picked a good day to switch to SwissCow lol

https://swisscows.com/en/web?query=%s

Free, uses it's own index, focus on privacy. If there is anything bad about it though, please let me know. It can be hard to find unbiased data on search engines when you ultimately need to use a search engine to find the info, ime.

Eezyville ,
@Eezyville@sh.itjust.works avatar

Will add to my search engine list. Thanks

sugar_in_your_tea ,

This is a few years old, but:

Swisscows has built its own German-language web index. For other languages, it uses Bing but queries and results are run through a firewall that strips out personal identifiers such as IP addresses.

So it wouldn't solve the problem here of Bing going down, but it's certainly an interesting option. I may have to consider switching from DDG, idk.

Firebirdie713 ,

Interesting. I have not had any issues using their engine even with the issue with Bing's API, but you are correct that they use Bing's index. Given that there are only four indexes to choose from, that isn't too surprising.

I actually switched to them when I saw that DuckDuckGo was about to start providing 'AI assisted results'. I wanted to ensure I was using an engine that actually respected my privacy and didn't harvest my data for slop.

Anecdotally, I can confirm that the results I get from SwissCows are very different and usually better than the ones I got from DDG. So I wonder how much of Bing's API they use.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

I honestly have no issues with Bing's search engine, I was just pointing out that it probably had an outage just like this one.

I'm guessing the results are different based on metadata they each pass?

jawa21 ,
@jawa21@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

So happy I moved to SearXNG right now.

kusivittula ,

been trying too, but mostly getting very bad results

thefrankring ,
@thefrankring@lemmy.world avatar

Annoying, I had to switch to Brave Search.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/b27f0977-035f-4eeb-95c8-6f02a75cd37c.jpeg

thefrankring ,
@thefrankring@lemmy.world avatar

What do you mean?

TropicalDingdong ,

Just post your searches and questions here and we'll try to figure it out.

Xatolos ,
@Xatolos@reddthat.com avatar

Thankfully this will be a private search like DuckDuckGo.

I need an answer to how do I make my peepee become larger?

tudor ,

As an AI language model, I can’t help you with that.

Emmie ,

Beehive

TropicalDingdong ,

https://lemmynsfw.com/signup

Sam_Bass ,

'Private'

AA5B ,

See results for Natalie Portman

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Tug on it. If that doesn't work, tug on it a lot.

Xatolos ,
@Xatolos@reddthat.com avatar

It popped off....

Darkenfolk ,

Have you tried popping it back on?

Otherwise use the cheat code for reattaching body parts: ^ >_> ^

AngryishHumanoid ,

Is Natalie Portman single? Follow up: Does Natalie Portman have low standards? I'll have a couple dozen more depending on the search results of this one.

TropicalDingdong ,

Natalie Portman enjoys milk and ill behavior. If encountered to not threaten or she'll send a frenchman to self destruct on you.

corsicanguppy ,

... And then we'll need un nettoyeur

TropicalDingdong ,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d700g9X78cs&rco=1

nonfuinoncuro ,

what a great movie

0x0 ,

It's Natalie Portperson, keep up.

paf0 ,

No, that isn't it

Akasazh ,
@Akasazh@feddit.nl avatar

I think this will asnwer most of your questions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A0iftflme4

any additional questions are answered here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS8bma7LRX4

shasta ,

So you're saying there's a chance...

roofuskit ,

She certainly enjoys a good joke.

AA5B ,

Important links!!!!!!!!

Manalith ,

Did I know what each link was before clicking? Yes. Did I click each just to make sure? Also yes.

SolOrion ,

If you remove everything after the & you'll get people on desktop, too. The search= part.

I can preview the link, which considering how the link ends...

AA5B ,

Trying to make me get myself, huh? Yeah, I fell for it, but no, that doesn’t work. Http 404

SolOrion ,

Oh, nevermind. You actually linked the search. I just misunderstood lmao. I wasn't trying to prank you.

dumbass ,
@dumbass@leminal.space avatar

https://leminal.space/pictrs/image/017ac04b-7b7c-4e10-a5ae-318f5cae1ae0.jpeg

TropicalDingdong ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/91cd849f-e6a7-4c1d-9e49-06aa632806fd.png

dumbass ,
@dumbass@leminal.space avatar

THANKYOU!

TropicalDingdong ,

quack

Harriet_Porber ,

halphttps://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/3b03b210-1559-45c0-8335-e856c86f5d62.png

TropicalDingdong ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/23dae542-99b8-4413-a1f6-16db4540c1ac.jpeg

TheOSINTguy ,

O.J Simpson car chase recreated in doom.

RandomVideos ,

cats are liquid lore what is going on

TropicalDingdong ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/9af74ecf-1b53-45f2-b27b-b25a0edf4c88.png

Edgarallenpwn ,
@Edgarallenpwn@midwest.social avatar

Why is it usually DNS?

(Network outages at work today. Guess what it was?)

grandkaiser ,

DNS engineer here.

It's always DNS because no one wants to hire us. We're prima donnas that don't work much and demand large salaries. Companies think they can get away with having some random network guy "learn a bit of DNS" and it works!!... For a while... Then it fails catestrophically and the DNS engineer that was let go to "save costs" smugly watches them crash and burn. The job is super easy and simple until you're 48 hours into troubleshooting and the CTO is lighting money on fire trying to get the network back online. A big company can easily burn a DNS engineers 10 years salary in costs if they have a single large DNS failure (security or downtime).

Lumisal ,

Sounds like y'all should form a country wide DNS guild, and instead of looking for jobs, just ask band together, and then when the DNS eventually fails, they have no choice but to hire from the guild and pay 5 years salary at once to have it fixed. Then understand if getting hired and fired constantly, you just do a job every now and then and get a huge pay check. So contractor work, but you get to see the companies constantly burn themselves and give y'all with instead.

grandkaiser ,

Any company that is willing to fire me to save costs isn't worth working for. The job is so in-demand that if I put "looking for a job" in my linked-in, I get multiple offers within the hour. Not even joking. That's how I got my current job.

Lumisal ,

  1. How long does it take to be a DNS engineer?

  2. How likely is it to be replaced in 10 years by AI?

I was gonna go for chemistry but you have a convincing argument with the job offers coming to you rather than the other way around

grandkaiser ,

  1. Generally to be "in-demand", you need about 6 years of experience & highly desirable certifications (at least one security cert such as sec+ or CASP, dns-related cert such as Infoblox CDCA, and typically something else like cloud engineering or maybe automation engineering related). Getting into DNS is usually something that happens after you've already been an enterprise network engineer for a number of years. It's highly specialized and rather difficult.

  2. Not possible. While AI can theoretically do the job, error is too expensive. AI already does much of my work, but I have to make risk assessment & I run the automation systems. I already automate much of my daily work. But when big stuff breaks, automation won't fix it.

captain_aggravated ,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

how is babby shot web?

AdamEatsAss ,

A famouse spider best know for her performance as "Babe" is Charlotte's Web.

Lost_My_Mind ,

No, Babe was the pig. Charlotte was the spider. She had a web.

AnalogyAddict ,

Wilbur was the pig. Babe is a different movie.

AdamEatsAss ,

No pretty sure Babe is the spider in Charlott's Web and Charlotte's Web 2: Pig in the City. Her catch phrase was "That'll do pig."

Lost_My_Mind ,

Where does Spider-Pig and Homer Simpson fit into all this?

AdamEatsAss ,

Extended spider universe. They're not cannon in the Charlotte's web trilogy but director Nicholas Cage always said that his plan was to have Homer be a final bad guy type character that all famouse pig-spiders would pull together against.

AdamEatsAss ,

Is it safe to consume breast milk bought on Facebook marketplace?

Corkyskog ,

Ask your doctor

bluewing ,

Ask your doctor homeopath doctor

MonkderDritte ,

Ah, because of this: https://lemmy.world/post/15710639

Diplomjodler3 ,

DuckDuckWent

PoolloverNathan ,

DuckDuckGone

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Someone finally found the Goose.

jaybone ,

DDGTFO

space ,

DuckDuckStop

qyron , (edited )

Okay.

Now that we already know we are pretty much at the hands of one pupeteer, what options are there?

I already read about Kagi (apologies if mispelled) but I like to write as a hobby and 300 searches per month go fast.

What other options are there?

Edit:

For those who may be arriving now:

  • Kagi seems to be a good option for an alternative search engine; it is a paid service, for which I don't have the €€€ right now. Many speak very well about it.
  • SearXNG is a thing as well, to my understanding a decentralized search system. Worth the try, in my opinion. If it's something that is decentralized, it is worthy to support and divulge.
  • There is mojeek.com, supposedly not very good but any option that goes against the monopoly is worth the try! I'm going to try this one.
  • Brave.com is an option but is a bit shady.
  • You should try Ecosia if you want to support reforestation efforts. Read somewhere in the thread it is part of the Bing ecosystem.
  • Yep is a thing as well. Somewhere in the thread, a lemmy points they use the search results for AI trainning. So... That is that.
  • And it seems there is a search engine by the name of dogpile.com.
joneskind ,
@joneskind@lemmy.world avatar

That’s a nice hobby

I would suggest you to install a local instance of a LLM (mistral or llama3 for example) to widen your source of information. Go straight to Wikipedia instead of “googling” it if you don’t already.

Anyway, I didn’t know about kagi so I might take my own advice and give it a try.

peopleproblems ,

How big are they, and what do I need to use them well?

vale ,

Take a look at Ollama.ai, just follow the installation instructions. A decent GPU is recommended, and the models are around 10GB iirc.

joneskind ,
@joneskind@lemmy.world avatar

Most of 7b-8b models run just fine in 4bits quant and won’t use more than 4 or 5 GB of VRAM.

The only important metric is the amount of VRAM as the model must be loaded in VRAM for fast inference.

You could use CPU and RAM but it is really painfully slow.

If you got an Apple Silicon Mac it could be even simpler.

LucidBoi ,

SearXNG

Feathercrown ,

This is the single most obnoxious name I've ever seen. But, the service could be good (I've never used it)

tudor ,

Basically the mother of all search engines. Merges Google, DuckDuckGo, Bing, etc. into one.

noodlejetski ,

it's a fork (Next Generation) of deprecated SearX project.

Garry ,

Brave search is independent. It was trained with google search but now it’s a thing of its own and doesn’t rely on google. I switched from DuckDuckGo a year ago and haven’t looked back

stebo02 ,
@stebo02@sopuli.xyz avatar

trained? like AI trained?

Blisterexe ,
@Blisterexe@lemmy.zip avatar

No?

Garry ,

Nope, like it used to index from google but now it doesn’t. DuckDuckGo gets all its results from bing

stebo02 ,
@stebo02@sopuli.xyz avatar

forgive my ignorance but why doesn't it get its own results

jaybone ,

Yeah I was confused by that choice of words. Train is for ML and AIs. Search engines used to need crawlers to run regularly because, you know, shit changes.

mholiv ,

Brave search is run by crypto bros. I’d rather use Kagi or DDG or even Google.

Garry ,

I would use Kagi if it was free. It might be run by crypto bros but doesn’t mean it’s a bad product. Google and bing own 99% of the search engine market. Competition that doesn’t rely on those two is always good

tranceFusion ,
@tranceFusion@lemm.ee avatar

Well they were dishonest about the product behavior in multiple cases, such as adding referral links to search results. That makes it a bad product.

iopq ,

That is a much better argument. But I still use it because I finally get different results from bing or Google.

Garry ,

I agree they were, but that’s the benefits of open source you can call out companies for doing stupid shit. Just like when Mozilla adds unnecessary telemetry.

tranceFusion ,
@tranceFusion@lemm.ee avatar

Brave products are not open source. Not their search, and not the browser. Your post wording seems to imply that it is.

Garry ,

I know the search is not but I thought the browser was on GitHub

RmDebArc_5 ,
@RmDebArc_5@sh.itjust.works avatar

The browser is open source (MPL)

mholiv ,

Lumping in Bing with Google is just unfair. Google controls like 90% of search. Bing is ~3.5%. Choosing duck duck go and helping that 3.5% is wayyyy better of a choice than supporting crypto bros.

https://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share

Garry ,

Personally I don’t want to support Microsoft bing either. This website you shared doesn’t lump together all the bing using search engines (DuckDuckGo and yahoo). How is supporting Microsoft a wayyy better choice. This isn’t some pump and dump scheme. Your criticism should be of the company (they added referall links to their browser and the owner has some nasty political takes on top of running another privacy invasive company).

mholiv ,

It does not matter if it lumps them together or not. Google still has 90% and they’re not Bing. Yandax another ~3% and they’re not Bing. That means at max Bing is 7% if you combine the rest. 3.5% vs 7% does not change the root of my argument.

Those points you make against Brave are valid though. I just run into too many people who are in the Brave cult and it’s concerning.

Scrollone ,

There's a new search engine called Yep, made by the team at Ahrefs, a SEO tool SaaS.

It looks promising because they have their own index, but it's a bit slow sometimes.

AeroLemming ,

I only tried one example, so the sample size is pretty small, but that search engine seems pretty bad. I tried looking up "rust bevy points" in both Google and Yep. The first Google result is a library to draw points in Bevy and the rest are pretty relevant. Yep simply doesn't have that result at all and all of their results are just generic results about Bevy.

I tried DDG for the sake of comparison and it's somewhere in-between. The results are mostly relevant and the "correct" result is still on the first page.

noodlejetski ,

We may collect aggregated, non-personal search data to improve search algorithms, train AI models

ugh

sugartits ,

Just pay the extra for unlimited searches. It's not much money, especially if it's a tool for work.

Jarix ,

Listen sugartits, some of us don't have much money. So if it's not much money we still don't have it

(Mostly i just wanted to point out your username by using it in a comment)

qyron ,

That was one of the most out of the blue comments I have ever read. It sounded so... unreal. Something out of a sitcom. Then I read "sugartits" is the name of the lemmy you were replying to. That's was really top mark. Kudos for you.

qyron ,

It's a hobby as it is.

If I ever manage to sell enough copies of it to be able to pay for a Kagi subscription, I'll do it and make it public knowledge.

Evehn ,
@Evehn@sh.itjust.works avatar

Just letting you know kagi has a family plan with unlimited searches, so you can probably split it with family or friends! I have yet to see how searxng search holds up to kagi.

Shellbeach ,

I jumped back on ecosia. It's nice there, but I'm sure there are issues that a non tech person like me may not know about

qyron ,

Read somewhere on the thread Ecosia is part of Bing ecosystem.

LambdaRX ,
@LambdaRX@sh.itjust.works avatar

Mojeek is far from perfect, but also is 100% independent.

Gamers_Mate ,

Thank you I tried Mojeek a few days ago but I forgot what it was called. the site for mojeek is mojeek.com btw.

istanbullu ,

brave search is pretty good: https://search.brave.com/

kurcatovium ,
@kurcatovium@lemm.ee avatar

There's also mojeek.com running their own index. Not perfect, but sometimes usable.

jol ,

Was this news to you? Other than Google and Bing there aren't any other significant alternatives. Even brave is a bit limited.

KillingTimeItself ,

if you just hate western companies, there's always yandex, supports more fringe contents as well, since russia moment.

foremanguy92_ ,

Using SearX instance and cannot find bing results 🤨

j4yt33 ,

Startpage isn't working for me either, Google still works fine (if you want to call it that)

Psythik ,

Anything that uses Microsoft APIs is down.

j4yt33 ,

I thought Startpage uses Google?

noodlejetski ,

it's been using both for a while.

j4yt33 ,

Ah I didn't know that! Thanks!

Dasnap ,
@Dasnap@lemmy.world avatar

Looking forward to the Kevin Fang video covering this in a few years.

critical ,

Qwant, who claim that they have their own index, is also down.
Coincidence...

squid_slime ,
@squid_slime@lemm.ee avatar

That is rather spooky

Hawk ,

Qwant uses their own index, but supplements it with Bing if they don't have enough info (or for images).

ichbinjasokreativ ,

Worlds largest tech-megacorporation is unable to keep their shit up and running. Lmao.

iopq ,

Apple is down too?

phoneymouse ,

MSFT is larger

rickyrigatoni ,
@rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee avatar

god i wish

FeelThePower ,
@FeelThePower@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I was screen sharing to someone when this happened and they asked why I don't use Google when other search engines are this unreliable. Despite me explaining it wasn't the usual, It was still pretty embarrassing lol. Wonder if DDG has the resources for an independent index.

sag ,
@sag@lemm.ee avatar

Same for Ecosia

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