cumskin_genocide ,

Shut it down like Tiktok. Those platforms are brainwashing people into believing far right and far left ideas.

Samsy ,

But, but I like far left ideas. The pictures about people dancing in circles, living in communities without the need of money, make me giggle.

Time to start a Facebook account. /s

Honytawk ,

That isn't far left though.

More like overthrowing governments, disbanding corporations, abolishing personal properties, completely removing currency, controlling speech, ...

I myself am a socialist, but what you describe is closer to centre left than far left.

RaoulDook ,

Yes those are the problematic fantasies that corporate social media is brainwashing people towards. Too many of the youth are wasting their time on fantasies of revolution when they could be acting within the scope of reality to achieve something actually meaningful.

cumskin_genocide ,

They would be better off actually working instead of wasting their time protesting and getting useless degrees

Samsy ,

Okay my comment was a little bit sarcastic, but there is some truth in it. Removing currency and removing private property isnt that bad. How would we live then? You just have your skills and trade/offer them every day against the skills of someone else, who makes food for example. No third person would make profit of your trade. Sounds better then what we have actually. Today the Top 10% literally do nothing and get all things they want.

But removing everything sounds odd, I know. Let's start simple: how about it isn't allowed to have more than 1 mio. Dollars. I mean 1 mio. is a lot. If you have more you pay 100% tax. Nobody needs more than 1 mio.

Btw "controlling speech" is one of the far right favourites, not left.

CapeWearingAeroplane ,

We tried the "trade your skills for something you need". In every surviving society it eventually lead to the development of a currency (not hard to see why), which requires/leads to regulation, which requires enforcement, aaaand you're back at a modern society. I'm all for more regulation to reduce economic and social differences in society, but the people that are talking about abolishing governments and currencies need to pick up a history book and follow their ideas to their natural conclusion.

"Controlling speech" is a hallmark of authoritarian governments, be they far-left or far-right, there are plenty of historical examples of both.

DAMunzy ,

Damn those far left ideals like liveable wages!

BonesOfTheMoon ,

I think Tiktok can often be creative and informative, which Facebook is definitely not though. I don't use Tiktok but what people have sent me have usually been funny.

TheDarksteel94 ,

I've seen quite a few commies on Lemmy. Just saying.

brain_in_a_box ,

far left ideas.

Lol. Yeah that's the problem with society today; Mark Zuckerberg is turning the kids into commies!

StaySquared ,

I left FB back in 2020 among other social media accounts.

The problem with people, just in general.. regardless of who they are, what they believe in, what part of the world they live in... they just read headlines and quickly post it for attention. They don't take the time to read it, ingest it, question it, find other sources to provide more details or to counter the story. People don't care to have a holistic view of an issue and that's sad. At the same time I also blame the chitty producers of said news and the titles they decide to go with and how they love to bury the more important information 4-5-6-7 paragraphs or more down the page.. you have to read all this bs fluff to finally get to the meat and potatoes of the issue.

I'm hoping that some how, some way, an unbiased AI is created just for internet search purposes, where it can gather all the data, analyze it, then present its findings into a summary with all the sources listed.

cosmicrookie ,
@cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

I deleted my account back in November when they enforced the 'pay or ok' option. I was not ok with that

Have read a lot of books since !

dwemthy ,

What's "pay or ok"?

cosmicrookie ,
@cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

In EU you were given an option by META to pay for adfree experience or accept targeted ads

Problem 1: if you paid, they would not stop tracking you. They would just stop showing ads. They would still be able to suggest content from commercial accounts.

Problem 2: the price was unreasonable. It depended on how many accounts you have across the platforms but i believe that the price for my profile and a couple of pages was €32 every month

Problem 3: these two options replaced the option to accept untargeted ads. I was ok with untargeted but they removed the option

Their solution has since been deemed as 'not ok' by the EU data protection board

https://www.euractiv.com/section/platforms/news/eu-data-protection-body-says-metas-pay-or-ok-model-is-not-ok/

ReveredOxygen ,
@ReveredOxygen@sh.itjust.works avatar

perhaps if they pay, pay or ok will be ok?

JasonDJ ,

Can we start some viral alliteration to get people off Facebook for a few weeks? Or maybe get them more mindful of their social media consumption?

Make Memories Matter May?

Just Journal June?

Just Jibe July?

Authentic August?

Send Stamps September?

Offline October?

No Negativity November?

UntitledQuitting ,

legit offline October is great, and works as a grassroots movement. I’m having an “offline October” is akin to when my friends and I do Dry July. I’m going to start doing this (despite the fact that I haven’t used social media in 2 years)

JasonDJ , (edited )

Gotta spin the news so it makes it more appealing. Good way to spin the headline is it "reboots your bullshit detector".

Has to be fully grassroots though. I don't think many influencers will promote it, they're the most addicted and it's literally their livelihood.

webghost0101 ,

Instructions clear and understood.

You can find my part of this new online activism here

Dont forget to like, share and doomscroll the rest of my anti socialmedia propaganda 🤩

MalachaiConstant ,

How about Analogue August or Stop Scrolling September?

I'll also say, Offline October is pretty dang good.

cosmicrookie ,
@cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

I'd vote for Anal August for sure!

sugar_in_your_tea ,

There's something on the tip of my tongue. Something like ____ Zuck. Something that rhymes, and expresses how I feel about him and his platform. I just can't quite put my finger on it...

😉

Halcyon ,
@Halcyon@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Summer Social Media Sabbatical:

Join June/July's journey to joyful jamming!"

mechoman444 ,

Haven't used facebook in any meaningful way since 2012. Much less anxiety ever since.

Eyck_of_denesle ,

Same sentence but replace it with Instagram for me. I can't help but peek into comments for some funny ones but they are all filled with vile stuff. Tiktok is no better but it's definitely better than Instagram. Even worse half of those comments come from my country :(

TubularTittyFrog ,

the vast majority of nutbags with low key mental issues i meet are social media addicts who furiously want to bring their 'curated' image into the real world and force others to worship them.

the others nutbags are homeless folks.

ipkpjersi ,

YouTube is getting particularly bad about this to, unfortunately. They need to do more to remove harmful misinformation, but they don't care because it won't make them money.

lobut ,

I've had to remove a lot of recommendations. Man, PragerU, Crowder, Shapiro and Joe Rogan were in my feeds. Jeez.

ipkpjersi ,

The unfortunate thing is a lot of people won't remove it from their recommendations and will watch it, and the worse thing is there's actually even worse content than those you listed, it's awful.

Holzkohlen ,

For real. Not logged in, on a new PC, just having watched a few gaming videos and got recommended US right wing nonsense. I am not in the US, no VPN, nothing. No ability to tell them to stop showing me that garbage. Hell, just let me disable shorts in general.

ICastFist ,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

It really sucks that YT has such shit "don't show me stuff" controls. Sometimes it feels like asking to not get recommended a certain channel will instead show all the alternatives that feel and look just like it

vaultdweller013 ,
@vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works avatar

I have blocked so many right wing channels that my de facto suggestions after watching political shit is Zach gun rants, Arma ops, and Animarchy or one of the other NAFO associates. Its fucken great.

RaoulDook ,

Youtube is good as a video hosting website, but bad as anything social-related. I just treat it like a video website and ignore the rest. Private browsing mode, no login used is my preferred way to access youtube videos

ipkpjersi ,

Honestly I prefer having an account specifically so I can filter out the garbage fake harmful dangerous content so I don't have to see it.

Juice64 ,
@Juice64@lemmy.world avatar

Deleting it for 3 years also improves mental health and keeps toxic family members out of your business. I wish I’d learned that sooner.

Honytawk ,

Just never accept the friend requests by family members, it isn't worth it.

Even aside from politics, the only thing they do is comment dumb annoying gifs on your posts.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

I think I'm closer to 10 years, but I do remember needing to recreate one for a few weeks while I worked with a few Facebook employees on a project.

Anyway, I don't even know what Facebook looks like these days. My contacts occasionally mention it, but nothing important seems to happen there.

Just delete your account. It's not a big deal, it's just toxic people showing off for other toxic people.

FlashMobOfOne ,
@FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

It'll make you feel infinitely better all around. I got rid of mine almost a year ago.

ZhaoYadang ,

PROPAGANDA. Please use the actual word. Why use two words when one do trick?

Syrc ,

From Wikipedia:

Propaganda is communication that is primarily used to influence or persuade an audience to further an agenda, which may not be objective and may be selectively presenting facts to encourage a particular synthesis or perception, or using loaded language to produce an emotional rather than a rational response to the information that is being presented.

Propaganda isn’t always fake news, it can also be true stuff presented in a biased way.

Similarly, fake news isn’t always propaganda. Some is just stuff spread by trolls to make fun of people.

barsoap ,

Propaganda isn’t always fake news, it can also be true stuff presented in a biased way.

It can also be true stuff presented in an unbiased way. There's a disconnect here between the proper definition of the word, which is perfectly neutral, and its connotations because the what secretary for tsunami safety doesn't call their stuff "propaganda" but "public service announcement". Still the same thing, though, the tsunami safety secretary is trying to persuade the audience to not be stupid and get to high ground as soon as the sea recedes. Very much pushing an agenda, they *gasp* want people to survive and *gasp* use communication to achieve it.

Syrc ,

Can it? I searched a bit and all the definitions I’ve found seem to be about swaying public opinion, not simple objective announcements.

It does have a negative connotation even though it can be used for good, but I still don’t think purely objective messages like “a tsunami is coming, get to high ground” should count as propaganda.

barsoap , (edited )

What about things like this?

Which btw yes certainly has editorialising going on. The answer to "Useless projects are funded with EU money" starts with "National and regional authorities in the EU countries select projects which they think meet their needs best in line with the strategies and priorities agreed with the Commission." Which isn't saying that EU money doesn't found useless projects, but implicitly blames regional authorities for it. I don't even think they want to mislead, here, they simply want to stay diplomatic.

(This video about the canopy walk is brilliant. (enable subtitles)).

Syrc ,

I think that qualifies as propaganda too: its intention is to improve the public opinion of the Cohesion policy by clearing misconceptions.

(About the “project” in the video… what the hell? I had to Google it because I wasn’t convinced it was a real thing. Just why?)

barsoap , (edited )

Corruption, that's why. Similar to how the Italian mafia would half-build highway bridges with taxpayer money and then mysteriously have some shell company go bankrupt. OLAF is on it because of course they are when stuff makes the press. If they have a case EPPO will take over at which point that Hungarian mayor will have the questionable honour of being up against the gal who cleaned up Romania... before Hungarian courts. If those turn out to be corrupt then that's going to buy the mayor time but ultimately the ECJ would overrule them. Still no mechanism to actually set boots on member state grounds but Hungary is already on thin ice when it comes to getting suspended from the EU for various reasons, they're going to tread lightly.

See if you want to be corrupt in the EU you have to do it like the big boys: Implement some policy, then get a cushy job at a company. Or receive tons of money for boring private speeches. Something like that, directly grabbing into state coffers is so uncivilised.

EDIT: Oh, Hungary didn't join EPPO, figures. They can still freeze assets, though. Also if I understand things correctly our mayor would turn into a fugitive in the rest of the EU.

Syrc ,

Yes, I figured but… isn’t that a bit too obvious? Surely there had to be a less blatant way of laundering money than… a treetop walk with no trees?

barsoap ,

It's also lazy and they're used to not getting investigated or even called out. But even if prosecution is high and you're not lazy you get corrupt politicians doing blatantly obvious stuff like the mask scandal in Germany, making a fortune of selling FFP2 masks at ludicrous markups to the state: Their behaviour was not technically illegal (laws got adjusted since then), the only one who got prosecuted got prosecuted for tax evasion, not corruption.

p5yk0t1km1r4ge ,
@p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world avatar

Deactivated my Facebook for 2 years now. Zero regrets.

thehatfox ,
@thehatfox@lemmy.world avatar

Platforms like Facebook have an incredible hold on some people. I remember a few years ago when the "Momo" hoax happened, an older coworker arrived at the office and started warning us about the danger of "Momo" they'd seen on Facebook. I'd already heard about the hoax (and was aware of the original creepyasta origins), and brought up a few news articles explaining it, including an official statement from the police. Everyone seemed satisfied by the truth, except for the Facebook addict. They just gave me a blank stare, and a few hours later I heard them telling another group of colleagues to beware of "Momo" getting to their children.

I have family members and longstanding family friends who have succumbed to this. Interestingly almost all of them were decrying the internet as something that couldn't be trusted before the age of social media.

whoisearth ,
@whoisearth@lemmy.ca avatar

Damn Momo is like 3 years old now? Lol. My kids were coming home with that shit they knew it was bullshit before my ex lol.

I miss Oprah and her rainbow parties like sheeit I want me some blowjob parties!

thehatfox ,
@thehatfox@lemmy.world avatar

2018 according to Wikipedia, so 6 years ago!

vaultdweller013 ,
@vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works avatar

Fuck I was still ib highschool then, and I still on occasion become convinced that I need to be getting ready for school at random when waking up.

pete_the_cat ,

You get a BJ! You get a BJ! EVERYONE GETS A BJ!

Asudox ,
@Asudox@lemmy.world avatar

3 years? It feels like 6-7 years. Momo was in 2021?

Mango ,

All news is fake news.

Mr_Wobble ,
@Mr_Wobble@lemmy.world avatar

All comments are fake comments.

Mango ,

I made this one up!

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

no.

homesweethomeMrL ,

No shit? Why didn’t anybody tell us?

to55 ,

I want to quit Facebook so badly, but I NEED to use WhatsApp. Family, friends, work even. All informal and semi-formal chats go through WhatsApp where I live.

settoloki ,

You don't need Facebook to use WhatsApp.

to55 ,

Meta

Joelk111 ,

I hate Facebook. Marketplace is unfortunately the only place a lot of stuff is listed, even though it also sucks. I said I wanted stuff within 85 miles, why are you showing me stuff that's 400 miles away??? Craigslist is genuinely a better experience (via the mobile app) these days, but no one uses it.

to55 ,

I guess I’m at least lucky that marketplace isn’t used here primarily.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

This.

I buy and sell heaps of stuff on Facebook.

We have young kids. It must have saved us thousands buying everything second hand and flipping it later.

grue ,

I just use Craigslist anyway and accept that I'm missing out on selection.

Joelk111 ,

Often I do too, but I'm in a mid-sized city so sometimes it isn't an option if I want to find a deal on something.

I only set up notifications on Craigslist's app though.

ChaoticEntropy ,
@ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk avatar

You can quit Facebook, just not Meta as an entity.

to55 ,

Right. I’m still used to the parent company being named Facebook.

RBWells ,

I have no Facebook, I want no Facebook. When I got my now job a few years back they said "we couldn't find you on Facebook." That's right, you can't.

And yes I get left out of that communication stream, but absolutely don't care. Like, not even a little bit.

I'm waiting it out. Already my kids see it as "boomer shit".

Ozone6363 ,

I haven't viewed the actual Facebook app/feed in probably 7 or 8 years, but I have a Facebook for messenger. There are just too many people that rely on it as a sole form of communication, I was just getting left out of shit.

I don't really see the problem though, do you not have the self control not to browse?

to55 ,

I do, luckily. But I’d rather not use any Meta apps.

pete_the_cat ,

You're not required to go on Facebook just to use WhatsApp 😉

Hootz ,

I got banned for calling someone a pigeon, I left and didn't look back.

LemmySoloHer ,
@LemmySoloHer@lemmy.world avatar

The person reacting to your comment calling them a pigeon:
https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/bb918f87-4fe6-45dd-a8fa-e4be9372c8ab.png

Mr_Wobble ,
@Mr_Wobble@lemmy.world avatar

Calling people pigeons isn't coo, man.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

not coup at all.

essteeyou ,

You must have really ruffled some feathers!

pete_the_cat ,

Social media in general is full of people that want to rage or exert control over someone else. I had two of my comments here on Lemmy (not sure what server) under the News community for "Victim Blaming" and "Victim Shaming" for saying that people need to take responsibility for their actions occasionally instead of constantly blaming it on the other party.

Hootz ,

Clearly it was your fault, you should be ashamed...

/S

The saving grace is Lemmy isn't just algorithms doing the banning.

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