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ssm , in Google Says AI Could Break Reality
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Hello, I have downvoted your post!

Reasons include:

  • stupid fucking clickbait title
  • sharing information that was otherwise already obvious to everyone for the past 2 years
  • quoting elon musk
TehPers ,

Not sure if you're aware so I'll mention it anyway, but as far as I know, downvotes in Beehaw communities don't federate to Beehaw (as in aren't applied here - you might see them on your instance though, not really sure). That being said, your comment does, so you've made a "pseudo-downvote" anyway.

Ilandar OP ,

The title is not mine and the paper the article is responding to was published last month, not two years ago as you claim. The only mention of Musk in the entire article is in this one sentence:

Unlike self-serving warnings from Open AI CEO Sam Altman or Elon Musk about the “existential risk” artificial general intelligence poses to humanity, Google’s research focuses on real harm that generative AI is currently causing and could get worse in the future.

amanneedsamaid , in Android Dialer App Recommendations?

I use fossify dialer, not familiar with Drupe, but works well for me.

millie OP ,

I described the primary feature I'm looking for: a way to make calls based on a motion more complex than just clicking a name, and preferably one I can do without looking at the screen.

Gestures would work.

amanneedsamaid ,

My bad, v tired when I replied. That is an interesting feature the only similar solution I can think of is using something like Fossify Dialer (a fork of the now ad-ridden and proprietary Simple Dialer) and use T9 dialing. That could achieve a similar speed / memorization as a gesture.

You could definitely get good enough at T9 to at least call people without looking at the screen.

KevonLooney , in Google Says AI Could Break Reality

generative AI makes it very easy for anyone to flood the internet with generated text, audio, images, and videos.

And? There's already way too much data online to read or watch all of it. We could just move to a "watermark" system where everyone takes credit for their contributions. Things without watermarks could just be dismissed, since they have as much authority as an anonymous comment.

Pheonixdown ,

I am waiting for people to start getting both public and hidden authentication tattoos, so they can prove generative images aren't actually them.

jarfil ,
@jarfil@beehaw.org avatar

How would that work?

AIs learn from existing images, they could just as well learn to reproduce a tattoo and link the pattern to a person's name. Recreating it from different angles, would require more training data, but ultimately would get there.

Pheonixdown ,

For public ones, depending on what people started getting, it'd really strain the AIs. You could go in like 1 or two ways, probably different people getting both.

Something very uniform but still unique, like a QR code kind of deal, AIs would hallucinate the crap out of that. Or abstractions, like people do to change the way the shape of their face to combat facial recognition.

For private ones, just don't ever get it photographed, any image showing that area without it would be probably fake.

jarfil ,
@jarfil@beehaw.org avatar

That's the idea behind OpenAI's Worldcoin.

KevonLooney ,

Why would anyone pay for the service? Having a "name" is free, and that dumb worldcoin only works for people. It can't work for governments or businesses.

ActivityPub is actually a good way to authenticate things. If an organization vouches for something they can post it on their server and it can be viewed elsewhere.

skullgiver ,
@skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl avatar

ActivityPub is actually a good way to authenticate things. If an organization vouches for something they can post it on their server and it can be viewed elsewhere.

AP has some pretty big issues when it comes to moving servers, expiring and re-purchased domain names, and other such edge cases. Servers either blindly accept new keys after a certain time, or are vulnerable to enabling key ransoming after hacks (the reason HKPK went nowhere).

jarfil ,
@jarfil@beehaw.org avatar

I think the idea of WorldCoin is to have a "wallet" linked to a single physical person, then you can sign any work with your key, that you got by proving you are a real person.

IMHO, the coin part is just a hype element to get people to sign up for the password part.

As for ActivityPub, I don't see how it helps with anything. An organization vouching for something, can already post it on their web, or if they want a distributed system, post it on IPFS.

Imacat ,

I slightly hate myself for suggesting it, but are you essentially describing NFTs?

KevonLooney ,

It's called a "name".

Imacat ,

Mid journey and the like have already been caught creating shutterstock watermarks in images. Future models might be able to fake specific watermarks well.

KevonLooney ,

Not like that. A server name that can be authenticated. Like when you receive an email from your bank (in the metadata), you know it's legitimate. Each organization can set up their own server to host things they vouch for. With ActivityPub it can be viewed elsewhere with the guarantee that it's from a trusted source.

Imacat ,

Isn’t that what NFTs do?

niucllos ,

Sure, but so do a lot of other things that aren't as costly. If NFTs were the first secure way to authenticate things online we wouldn't have had online banking until very recently

Imacat ,

True but trust is hard to establish in decentralized platforms like the fediverse. As far as I’m aware the only decentralized banking is unfortunately cryptocurrency.

skullgiver ,
@skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl avatar

We could just move to a "watermark" system where everyone takes credit for their contributions.

North Korea actually has this embedded in their government Linux distro and it works well as long as everyone who opens the file runs a supported OS. Not for AI, but to track who wrote what unpleasant documents, but still, it proves the idea can work.

On the other hand, how do you determine trust? I can generate a million plausible names and digital addresses on my computer. Half the images I see online are screenshots or screen recordings already (because "save as" isn't available on "modern" websites).

In theory, we can solve this by simply having digital stuff be signed, but setting up a web of trust will be difficult. Especially since most of the internet is semi-anonymous.

Funnily enough, the Fediverse already signs most data, so this scheme is already active unintentionally here on Lemmy! But for all I know, you're not really "Kevon Looney" and just a fake from another server.

onlinepersona , in Amid a decline in democratic standards, the Serbian government uses large-scale installation of surveillance systems with facial recognition technology to monitor opponents, activists and journalists

The West was laughing and pointing at China. "Look at them surveilling their citizens! So cringe." Meanwhile, people massively bought into surveillance capitalism, gobbled up all the bullshit about "if you have nothing to hide", and look where it's taking us. Yet people continue to buy Google products, swear that Malus won't ever be evil and store their lives on iPhones and Macs, they vote for right-wing candidates who talk about building walls, surveilling the poor, foreign, and different, and don't somehow fail to see how their countries are slowly becoming more China-like.

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trevron ,

True. But at least China is lifting the poor out of poverty. Definitely can't say the same for the states.

Daxter101 ,

Even to the (insufficient, overblown) extent that it happens, lifting "the poor" Han Chinese out of poverty by putting other populations (Uighurs) under slave labour instead, is not the moral win you're implying.

If an ethnic cleansing is part of the requirements, to stop committing humanitarian atrocities towards "the poor", that's still an atrocity.

Disclaimer, the USA, just like every authoritarian state, is also disgusting and criminal.

trevron ,

I won't get into that in order to avoid tankie accusations and I certainly don't want to deny anything as fucked up and serious as a potential genocide but just be sure you double check your sources. CIA runs deep.

0x815 OP ,

@trevron, what is a good source of information regarding China?

trevron ,

Probably none of the articles I see you posting 😂

Considering your typical posts, I wouldn't expect this to be taken seriously so here is general advice for anyone else:

Avoid anything from Radio Free Asia, Radio Free Europe, and any other CIA founded organizations (very difficult because there are so many). Avoid any place that gets grants from the National Endowment for Democracy (a CIA cutout). Be skeptical about pretty much any media org that is sponsored directly by the US government. The US loves manufacturing consent, it is one of the CIAs primary functions. Same goes for DIA, FBI, etc.

TLDR: Don't read Fed shit if you want to know about other parts of the world lol

0x815 OP ,

So just name a source.

trevron ,

Sorry, I don't play games with feds.

DarkThoughts ,

Calling Serbia "the West" is kinda stupid considering they're friends with "the East" and fail to adhere to any sort of EU law. And shit like this is precisely why Serbia will never join the EU, as this type of practice has been basically outlawed a while ago.

onlinepersona ,

Mate, "the West" isn't limited to Western Europe, the USA, Canada, and Australia. Australia is the same longitude as China. Are you going to say it's not the West because of that?

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DarkThoughts ,

No, I'm not. And me pointing out Serbia's allegiance should've been clue enough to understand that. The West is a collective of a shared understanding of values, values that Serbia does not share. So please stop being willfully obtuse.

onlinepersona ,

You believing Serbia is part of "the East" is hilarious. They're the S in BRICS, right? 😂

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DarkThoughts ,

You're continuing to make a fool out of yourself dude. BRICS and "the East" are not synonymous. But yes, there are also potential talks about Serbia joining BRICS.

Abnorc , in Proton announces Docs in Proton Drive

I'm tempted to give this a try. I already am really happy with my VPN and password manager, but it looks like you can subscribe to mail/calendar for a reasonable price. If I did that and drive, I'd rely on Google a lot less.

cygnus ,
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If you need more than one domain there's also a business plan that gives you 3 for less money than the top-tier individual plan.

skullgiver , in Figma Disables AI App Design Tool After It Copied Apple’s Weather App
@skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl avatar

That's just a normal weather app. Google's weather widget looks very close, and Samsung's isn't very different.

One or two overviews and a bunch of info blocks is all you'll get from the popular weather APIs, so it's hard to get creative. Maybe it could've added a map of sorts to make the weather stand out? But then you'd probably be copying some other weather app in the process.

jarfil ,
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Some apps have multiple pages, some have a map, some show different timespans of weather predictions with different data, some show photos of places, some allow selecting multiple places but show them differently, some show maritime weather, and so on.

There is a limited amount of creativity, but a properly "creative" AI, should not keep repeating the same design pattern over and over.

skullgiver ,
@skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl avatar

There is a limited amount of creativity, but a properly "creative" AI, should not keep repeating the same design pattern over and over.

It's generative AI, not magic. Repeating the patterns it was trained on is what it was designed to do, even if those patterns aren't always entirely obvious.

I think the model has been overfitted on its training set, but you can't expect the types of generative AI we have today to be creative.

jarfil ,
@jarfil@beehaw.org avatar

I'm guessing it should've been trained on more pattens, and increase that temperature a bit.

To be somewhat creative, it should have a large training set, and an iterative approach to the output. From the looks of it, this one is just a single step LLM, picking design elements one by one.

MonkderDritte , in Sony kills off [recordable] Blu-ray and optical disks for consumer market — business-to-business production to continue until unprofitable

Welp, so only 🏴‍☠️ it is.

theangriestbird OP ,
@theangriestbird@beehaw.org avatar

fortunately, this change does not affect Bluray movies you can buy at the store. This is only about recordable Bluray drives, which basically no one uses on a consumer level.

TheButtonJustSpins ,

I'm pretty sure some people use them for backups.

DARbarian , in Android Dialer App Recommendations?
@DARbarian@kbin.run avatar

Emerald Dialer is FOSS

millie OP ,

FOSS is honestly a secondary concern to not constantly dialing random numbers every time I brush up against my phone.

amanneedsamaid ,

Just tried it and really enjoyed, but the contact sources just don't seem to work? Two options, one from sms and one from com.android.contacts, and neither are correct (missing / duplicate contacts). Confused as to why the dialer can't just pull from my contacts like every other dialer, or I'd probably switch!

Moonrise2473 , in Android Dialer App Recommendations?

Google dialer?

Ad free, not slow, but collecting all possible data on your calls.

I like that it's blocking the spam calls, I get 10 spam calls for each real call. Unfortunately that needs to send back to them all my phone calls with their caller id.

I hate how it shows the call log. It only shows the latest action ever for a number and doesn't even show the time. This is especially infuriating when you need to see what time someone called. For example my doctor office called to move my appointment, then when I showed up they said that wasn't true and wanted to charged me for a no-show. I wasn't able to prove immediately that they called me on which day and at which time to move the appointment because the "simplified" call log only shows the latest call action which was that I called back several days after that.

millie OP ,

Nah, I'm good.

RobotToaster , in Sony kills off [recordable] Blu-ray and optical disks for consumer market — business-to-business production to continue until unprofitable
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Honestly surprised, i thought blu-ray m-disc was moderately popular

Digital_man ,

Not as profitable as charging someone licensing fees ?

Chronographs ,

I’d never even heard of it, I feel like cheap large flash drives and streaming killed the main use cases for these.

theangriestbird OP ,
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i think that's it. We used to use CD-Rs and DVD-Rs to record playlists and movies, respectively. Data hoarders today will prefer multi-hard drive servers over burning everything to Bluray, and for one-time file transfers, we have flash drives and online file shares. I just can't think of a use case for BR-R that isn't better served by a different technology.

eco_game ,

I believe Blurays are still a very good medium for long term data storage, like a cold offsite backup.

barsoap ,

Isn't that what tapes are for.

user224 ,
@user224@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Yes, but at much higher cost.

cmnybo ,

Sure, if you have enough data to make the cost of a tape drive worth it.

cmnybo ,

M-disc is for long term storage, which flash and hard drives are not suitable for.

noodlejetski , in Proton announces Docs in Proton Drive

looks like there's no way to allow edits for everyone with the link, they can only view the document that way. guess it's Google Docs for me for the foreseeable future :(

also, it doesn't seem to support previewing .odt, while .docx works fine.

LibertyLizard ,
@LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net avatar

Damn that seems like a core feature. Not sure I’ll use it without this.

wagoner ,

Are you sure others cannot edit? From the linked blog post:

"Share and invite anyone — Invite other users to view or edit your documents with a single click."

"Collaborate in real-time — Changes are reflected immediately, ensuring every contributor always sees the most up-to-date version."

noodlejetski ,

yes, like your quote says, you have to invite other users. you have to explicitly add every user's email in order to let them edit it, you can't just create a link and send it to people.

wagoner ,

Oh, I see, thanks for clarifying. I have never had a use case where I want that.

7EP6vuI , in Proton announces Docs in Proton Drive

hoped to discover a good open source software for collaborative editing, but their solution is based on https://standardnotes.com/

jarfil , in AI trains on kids’ photos even when parents use strict privacy settings
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While I don't think training on hidden data, or without the author's permission, is particularly great... won't the next article be "AI discriminates against races/cultures/ages" when this data gets removed from the training set, without being replaced by equivalent authorized photos?

jarfil , in Google Says AI Could Break Reality
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Not sure what to make out of this article. The statistics are nice to know, but something like this seems poorly investigated:

AI overview answers in Google search that tell users to eat glue

Google's AI has a strength others lack: not only it allows users to rate an answer, but it can also use Google's search data to check whether people are laughing at or mocking its results.

The "fire breathing swans", the "glue on pizza", or the "gasoline flavored spaghetti", have disappeared from Google's AI.

Gemini now also uses a draft system where it reviews and refines its own initial answer several times, before presenting the final result.

mccd , in Proton announces Docs in Proton Drive

Really nice. We're in the process of setting up office tooling for my work, and there is little competition for Google Suite, since it's cheap as hell and includes so much. Some competition in the space is very welcome.

One thing that scares me about proton is that git send-email seems to not work great (at least according to git-send-email.io). Anyone knows if that is still accurate?

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