This would likely happen to any machine directly exposed to the internet that hosts any kind of service intended for local networks only... (which is the network stack on Windows, and has been so since 1990 with NetBEUI/NetBIOS), and has been intentionally left insecured to boot.
Hell, in the 90's we put windows desktops directly on the internet just to see what would happen (yea, our bosses would yell at us when they caught it). They didn't get hacked much or very fast then, which shows how much automated intrusion scripting is happening today.
Bunch of clickbait nonsense.
Local machines aren't servers. And servers aren't directly exposed to the internet without routers/firewalls/IPS/IDS, etc. The only devices that should be directly connected to the internet are edge routers. And even they should have very secure, layered setups to ensure malicious traffic can't transit to the LAN.
I wonder how many people still directly connect to the internet without a gateway. It seems sensational to say "INSTANTLY INFECTED" and then tiny print (in a way that nobody connects to the internet since 1999). But maybe I'm just ignorant to how large a market still use direct connection.
I doubt many people would do that. You would have to intentionally set it up that way. Residential ISPs almost always supply a modem with a built in router which will have a firewall. You would have to set it to bridge mode, enable the DMZ, or use your own modem.
I haven't connected a computer directly to the internet since I used dial-up.
I remember back in the days of broadband being brand new. Comcast insisted that you had to pay for each device that connected to the Internet. Using a router was considered against the TOS.
We had a router hooked up to our first RCA cable modem on Comcast, but then we were only comcast customers because they bought the company that originally hooked us up.
cable Companies though. Don’t miss cable internet at all. Fuck Comcast any decade.
The takeaway I think they were trying to give was that the same experiments done on a more modern OS does not have these same "instant" infections (they reference having windows 7 under the same conditions without any issue)
I saw someone suggest they connect their switch dock directly to the internet elsewhere on Lemmy. Granted the attack surface for a switch is basically non existent but if people are suggesting that then certainly people are still connecting their other machines directly to their modems/CPEs as well
I was too young to really know what was going on at the time but when my parents upgraded me from my Windows 98 spare parts PC they tossed Windows 2000 on the new PC and I remember it being quite wonderful. I never did get to experience Vista nor ME because my parents were well enough tapped into the computer scene to know what was up. Now I get to help them setup their first home server this weekend
I greatly preferred XP to 2000. 2000 still needed a ton of configuration, and device specific drivers that were difficult to find. XP simplified a lot of that with their PNP support, but they still had robust configuration options for power users.
Me too. 2000 seemed.... Slow compared to XP on the same hardware, but to be fair the hardware I had was cobbled together from parts that my father's employer was going to throw out
It looked a lot sleeker too. I had my UI heavily customized, including the boot and login screens, and it made me feel like such a hacker. 2000 made me feel like I was working at an office.
Microsoft put a lot of work into speeding up the boot times with XP. Windows 2000 booted glacially slow by comparison. Though I'd say once booted, 2000 was a bit leaner and quicker.
People also make Linux run on low powered microcontrollers that take hours to boot and don't have enough processing power to do anything useful just because they can.
That's really helpful. Thank you! MOSH might work, I'll have to play around with it.
Could you go into more detail about the tmux functions? If it's a way to write everything to files instead of a STDOUT in a predictable way, that would be great, since each packet could be a (compressed) shell script that explicitly includes which data to send back, if any.
If you have a machine with no current operating system on it that will not boot from a CD-ROM, you must use this method. Setup disks are a set of four disks that form a minimal installation of Windows 2000
I wasn't aware there were CD-ROMs that you couldn't boot from.
Booting from CD wasn’t a feature for at least a couple years after the drives because common. Usually you’d use a boot floppy that had drivers for the CD drive.
Windows 95 (by default) wasn't CD bootable, you HAD to use a boot disk before you could use a CD for the rest. I think right after 95 came out the standard came out for CD booting. But before that OEM would make bootable CDs for their recovery media for 95.
I think at least some editions of Windows 98 couldn't boot from the CD-ROM either but had a boot floppy with the drivers. I hit this problem recently when trying to set up a Windows 98 machine.
I may be wrong but I think it'd be the same issue in that the bios wouldn't boot the OS from that sort of drive. For whatever reason that caused it I think it'd be a similar issue. That said by the time DVD drives being common enough for a server drive, most BIOSs would be able to handle it fine and a fair bit of time after this was needed.
Though I kinda thought with proper configuration cd rom drives were all bootable, but I wasn't working with servers in that era either so there were probably some mobos/bios that didn't work properly for booting a cd/DVD drive. Closest to the time I was familiar with was XP and pretty sure that was expected to be CD bootable in 2001. So maybe this kicked in the bios support for bootable non floppy disc drives?
I think early CD-ROM drives with proprietary interfaces were basically never bootable unless there were controller cards with option ROMs and I've never seen one.
These drives were from the early 90s, so that wouldn't have been the reason why Windows 2000 could use a boot floppy - maybe some computers had SCSI drives connected to controllers that only supported booting from hard drives
El Torito is an extension designed to allow booting a computer from a CD-ROM. It was announced in November 1994 and first issued in January 1995 as a joint proposal by IBM and BIOS manufacturer Phoenix Technologies. According to legend, the El Torito CD/DVD extension to ISO 9660 got its name because its design originated in an El Torito restaurant in Irvine, California.
A 32-bit PC BIOS will search for boot code on an ISO 9660 CD-ROM. The standard allows for booting in two different modes. Either in hard disk emulation when the boot information can be accessed directly from the CD media, or in floppy emulation mode where the boot information is stored in an image file of a floppy disk, which is loaded from the CD and then behaves as a virtual floppy disk. This is useful for computers that were designed to boot only from a floppy drive. For modern computers the "no emulation" mode is generally the more reliable method.
I vaguely remember fighting with getting burned OS install discs to reliably boot. Another fun thing from around that time is if you happened to plug in the floppy drive cable backwards any disks inserted would be erased. That's a great way to accidentally nuke your boot disk and be screwed if you weren't near another working machine with a floppy drive. Lots of little headaches like that really drilled in the concept of redundancies and lots of backups (as well as not mindlessly installing a floppy drive).
Back in the day, you needed a floppy drive to boot from a CD ROM (or a special reboot command). It wasn’t until a new BIOS firmware came out that allowed you to boot from CD ROM.
I bought Windows 95 on floppy disks when it first came out. I think it was 13 disks.
Microsoft used a special format for these floppies, called Distribution Media Format (DMF). It allowed them to fit 1.68MB onto each disk instead of the standard 1.44MB. I just went looking for information about that and found a web page that has not been changed since 1997:
You want a space heater try an AMD K6-2, First pc I ever had to get an aftermarket heat-sink for cause it would shut down in the summer for overheating. Normal operating temp was like 80C
Yeah, I want not real time. The goal of having containers in the first place is to enable as much as possible without needing to put a human in the loop, since you have no idea how long each packet will spend in transit.
If I could emulate Curiosity's onboard computer that would be a decent starting point.
In that case it might not hurt to reach out to some NASA email addresses. The people who write that stuff are, after all, nerds like us, and would probably be happy to share whatever they are allowed to share.
It’s funded by taxes so, security issues aside, there shouldn’t be a lot of trade secrets.
Government agencies, in my experience, tend to believe in security through obscurity; even the ones that don't worry about spies as much as NASA. That said, maybe it's worth a shot. I'll have to figure out who's the best person to bug.
The 'ed' editor was designed for high latency networks. I would pull on that thread. That is, in your shoes, I would read up on 'ed' and related tools.
"Of course, on the system I administrate, vi is symlinked to ed. Emacs has been replaced by a shell script which 1) Generates a syslog message at level LOG_EMERG; 2) reduces the user's disk quota by 100K; and 3) RUNS ED!!!!!!"
Gave me a giggle. That 100k loss has got to hurt for a user who still tries to run 'vi' on a classic system, I imagine.
Edit:
Another gem:
"Ed is generous enough to flag errors, yet prudent enough not to overwhelm the novice with verbosity."
Yeah. I've had mentors regail me of other tools they used alongside 'Ed', but I wasn't listening very attentively. Hopefully that's something that can be dug out of the history of the Internet.
I would definitely choose the old reliable stuff over something new and fancy, if I had this use case.
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