VonReposti ,

Cause none of my choices of ISP supports it...

tmpod ,

I just upgraded my Lemmy instance's hardware and finally got IPv6 support :D

ryannathans ,

Interesting, github websites/pages support ipv6

r00ty ,
@r00ty@kbin.life avatar

github.com doesn't have a AAAA DNS entry. So it's not serving anything directly over IPv6. Likewise, ping -6 github.com fails. So, what are you seeing that is supporting ipv6?

ryannathans ,

Websites hosted by github pages, like https://2009scape.org or https://pytorch.github.io

r00ty ,
@r00ty@kbin.life avatar

That is interesting. I figured they would be something like cloudflare/other redirection for github pages. But the IPv6 address space is github registered.

So, really not sure why they don't have the rest of their site enabled.

ryannathans ,

Yeah bit of a head scratcher

nick ,

I’m not. I disable it on all Linux machines I manage. And we do not use it at work either.

smileyhead ,

This. And also disable https. Those things just break all the time.

nick ,

Not sure what you are going for here

Dumbkid ,
@Dumbkid@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

My isp does t even support ipv6

henfredemars ,

I’m not using it because by and large it’s not implemented properly on consumer hardware, and my ISP doesn’t care if their IPv6 network is broken.

skilltheamps ,

That is not the case for every country though. In France and Germany for example almost 3/4 of google requests are via IPv6.

iknowitwheniseeit ,

https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html

Redex68 ,

Interesting that India has such a high percentage. I'm guessing it's because most of their network infrastructure is probably relatively new and so they can include support right off the bat, instead of having to retrofit stuff?

sep ,

Not much choise i guess. Usa and europe grabbed the majority of available ipv4 space. Asia got a bit. And only scraps and leftovers for africa and latin america.

Redex68 ,

Yeah but then you look at China and it's at 4%. Maybe they got into the game early enough to get enough adress space for it to be serviceable?

Album ,
@Album@lemmy.ca avatar

Most of China can't reach Google so the reporting is off anyway.
But in 2023 the govt mandated ipv6 support to all carriers and manufacturers.

https://www.theregister.com/2023/10/17/china_networking_hardware/

sep ,

China block much of the internet so who knows with china. Do not know if anyone have real china numbers of IPv6 deployment.
They also had their own "IPv9" that was rumored some years ago that may or may not have been used internally.

hddsx ,

Roses are red, violets are blue, everyone is using IPv6, why aren’t you?

Roses are red, violets are blue, IPv6 costs extra, and that just won’t do

carrylex OP ,
@carrylex@lemmy.world avatar

As far as I can tell it's the other ways around: IPv4 is getting more costly

Example: AWS started to charge for IPv4 addresses a few months ago - a IPv4 address now costs around $3.6 per month

hddsx ,

Might just be my host. Maybe I need to find another one

smileyhead ,

You'll still pay, just not have an option not to pay.

crony ,
@crony@lemmy.cronyakatsuki.xyz avatar

"everyone", tell that literally to every isp my country that doesn't even provide ipv6 support.

r00ty ,
@r00ty@kbin.life avatar

In the USA they charge extra for IPv6? I'm in the UK and while there are some ISPs that don't provide IPv6 at all, and some that do shitty things like dynamic prefixes on IPv6, I've not seen anyone charging for it.

Likewise, server providers generally don't charge for it. In fact, they will often charge less if you don't need IPv4.

mitchty ,

No don’t take shitposts literally. I’ve been using ipv6 for a decade at home now in the USA and I don’t pay extra for it ever. Also why are you assuming this post refers to the us?

r00ty ,
@r00ty@kbin.life avatar

There's been other posts about IPv6 and the TL;DR is that while there are shitty implementations everywhere, the USA seems to be ahead of the game of doing it badly, if at all.

mitchty ,

The USA is ahead of most nations at about 50% so not sure how you’re coming to that conclusion based off of evidence. Outside of maybe Brazil in the americas on both continents our ipv6 adoption is better than the rest, Canada included.

orangeboats ,

I reckon I see most IPv6 complainers are from the US though...

In my country, turning on IPv6 is not really something ceremonial, it's just literally clicking on the IPv6 checkbox. The default configurations set in the router are good enough for an average home user, firewalls and all that security jazz are enabled by default.

The DNS didn't break just because I enabled IPv6, nor did my phone apps stop working. Life goes on, and I have gotten rid of that terrible CGNAT. Somehow this is not the case for many US users across multiple ISPs, I have heard IPv6 horror stories from Verizon, Comcast, and AT&T. Like how did you manage to do that?

mitchty ,

I mean I’ve been using native dual stack for over a decade and I’m most definitely American. A fun anecdote was I was having issues with clicking on links from Google once and turned out ipv4 was busted but 6 worked fine for half a day. And there really isn’t any turning on ipv6 I get it by default and it’s with the most hated isp Comcast. They’re actually really good about v6 support I’ve not moved off them because of it. It’s literally 10ms faster than 4 lilely due to cgnat.

smileyhead ,

Meanwhile me who needs to pay 97 EUR / year for two V4 to V6 proxies so people not having (or disabling, ugh) V6 can connect to my stuff.

Actually those proxies are still cheaper than renting v4 address space for all my servers.

chris ,
@chris@l.roofo.cc avatar

The perpetual chicken egg problem of IPv6: many users don't have IPv6 because it's not worth it because everything is reachable via IPv4 anyways because IPv6 only service don't make sense because they will only reach a subset of users because many users don't have IPv6.....

drkt ,
@drkt@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Yes but IPv4 is becoming expensive and it's annoying having to use a middleman to clone github repos on a v6-only VPS

IPv6 is not hard, there is no excuse not to have it

krellor ,

I mean, yes and no. For an individual or individual systems? No, it's not hard. But I used to oversee a WAN with multiple large sites each with their own complex border, core, and campus plant infrastructure. When you have an environment like that with complex peerings, and onsite and cloud networks it's a bit trickier to introduce dual stack addressing down to the edge. You need a bunch of additional tooling to extend your BGP monitoring, ability to track asynchronous route issues, add route advertisements etc. when you have a large production network to avoid breaking, it's more of a nail biter, because it's not like we have a dev network that is a 1-1 of our physical environment. We have lab equipment, and a virtual implementation of our prod network, but you can only simulate so much.

That being said, we did implement it before most of the rest of the world, in part because I wanted to sell most of our very large IPv4 networks while prices are rising. But it was a real engineering challenge and I was lucky to have the team and resources and time to get it done when it wasn't driving an urgent, short timeline need.

30p87 ,

Or one could use alternative hosters, or maybe even selfhost git services.

drkt ,
@drkt@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Yeah let me self-host other peoples github repos because github doesn't have IPv6 lmao dude

30p87 ,

How about "Let me selfhost my own repos, so other people working with my stuff can use IPv6, as well as be sure no large corporation known for being cancer stands behind it and monitors every thing I do."?

drkt ,
@drkt@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I do 🥰

That doesn't solve the problem of me needing other peoples githubs repos on a VPS with no v4

takeda ,

If IPv6 is done right you don't even know you have it. If you use a cell phone or a home Internet, there is a high chance you are already using IPv6.

ryannathans ,

If your ISP supports it

takeda ,

Sure, but my point is that if it is implemented right, you won't even know you're using IPv6 until you check network configuration.

Album ,
@Album@lemmy.ca avatar

Honestly this isn't even true anymore. Most major ISPs have implemented dual stack now. The customer doesn't know or care because it's done at the CPE for them.

I use a browser extension which tells me if the site I'm at is 6 or 4 or mixed. In 2024 most major sites support V6. A lot of this is due to CDN supporting it natively.

The fact that GitHub doesn't is quickly becoming the exception.

serpineslair ,

May I ask which extension you are using?

Album ,
@Album@lemmy.ca avatar

IPvFoo

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ipvfoo/

There is a chrome version too.

chris ,
@chris@l.roofo.cc avatar

IPv6 traffic is globally steady at around 37%. So it isn't a majority by far.

Album ,
@Album@lemmy.ca avatar

https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html

Globally it's at about 47% and growing at about 4% per year. If the rate remains unchanged it'll be about a decade for >95%.

But the reality of it is, you don't need global adoption out of the box. You just need majority adoption in the countries you visit, which for me are western countries (north America and Europe) which now have a majority adoption.

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