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SatansMaggotyCumFart , in How to opt out of the privacy nightmare that comes with new Hondas

Sex-life data, biometric data, demographic, race, sexual orientation, gender — everything.

Do the seats have genital detectors now?

0110010001100010 ,
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And unless you are having sex IN a car how would it be collecting data about that?

Boozilla ,
@Boozilla@lemmy.world avatar

I'm guessing they interpolate it from the places people visit. Fertility clinics, strip clubs, brothels, etc. There's no lower limit for a data harvesting scumbag with an MBA and a "cool new idea" for the c-suite.

800XL ,

Fuck, that's totally it too. Scumbags with MBAs. The worst are the fresh out of college MBAs with no work experience that want to prove how "smart" they are.

perishthethought ,

That. Their sound and video recordings could pick up whatever you do in the car. But I think this is really just lawyers being cautious. (I hope)

xantoxis ,

lol I think they mean the car, since it knows where it is, can help car companies figure out who you're banging because you end up in the same room as the other person's cell phone a lot of the time while you're at that address. (Cell proximity is already used heavily to correlate data points, so it can pitch birthday present ideas to you for your mistress.) In this sense it's really no different than knowing what your favorite shoe store is, but they mention applications for abusers to track their exes and partners: thus sex life in itself becomes important.

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

I didn't realize cars were so horny.

guyrocket ,
@guyrocket@kbin.social avatar

Please call your local dealer and ask.

Audio or it didin't happen.

anon232 , in Microsoft CEO of AI: Online content is 'freeware' for models

So this argument can be used in cases of piracy? "Your honor, I was simply using this copyrighted movie to train my llm, not to watch illegally."

minoscopede , in Google Maps Timeline Data to be Stored Locally on Your Device for Privacy

Probably due to an EU regulation

KillingAndKindess ,
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I think it might be also related to the new tracker stuff.

jam12705 ,

Definitely wasn't due to US "regulation"

sunzu ,

Is this US regulation in the room with us right now?

Llamajockey , in Windows 11 is now automatically enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

Wouldn't be so bad if onedrive backup didn't completely restructure your folders so it can back shit up. I hate that it moves your main folders to the OneDrive folder.
It creates so many issues.

Oisteink ,

You should try moving the OneDrive folder after setup for a complete shitshow. Even Microsoft products fail to read and write to the right places. If I save from word to my documents folder it never appears in OneDrive but in a separate documents folder under my user profile.
Luckily OneDrive hides this from normal explorer so you can’t find that file using that

whotookkarl , in [USA] Appeals court rules that cops can physically make you unlock your phone
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Biometrics are not secret and should not be used in place of passwords. They are identity like a user name. It's the same problem with orgs trying to use ssn as a security challenge, with all the beaches pretty much everyone's is already public knowledge.

LifeInMultipleChoice ,

For some reason the typo on beaches got me to laugh. Beaches are a very revealing place I suppose, I felt exposed already when I went to them.

KillingTimeItself ,

i disagree, while not secret, i think a warrant should be required to use them, since it effectively bypasses password auth.

01189998819991197253 , (edited ) in [USA] Appeals court rules that cops can physically make you unlock your phone
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I wish there was a way to require both biometrics and PIN. They're both insecure on their own, but together they're better. Like instant MFA for your unlock. I would enable that immediately, if it was available.

Edit: then a password / passphrase in case one of the other two stops working (as an emergency unlock).

KillingTimeItself ,

linux fun fact, im pretty sure you can just do this out of the box using PAM auth.

Gotta love android and IOS being utter dogshit.

01189998819991197253 ,
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

Maybe. I don't biometrics on my computers. Only phone. I don't unlock my computer a thousand times a day using a crappy touch kb. Actually, if the phone had a physical kb, maybe it wouldn't have been so bad. Not sure.

KillingTimeItself ,

i wouldnt really want to use biometrics on my computer either, i'd rather use a physical security key, but then i'd probably also want to use it with my phone also. So there's that i guess.

01189998819991197253 , (edited )
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The only issues I have with a yubi on a phone, is the general fragility of USB-C ports (and that there is only one). On a PC or laptop, you've generally got several, so if one breaks and the yubi can't be used in that port, you're not locked out.

KillingTimeItself ,

yeah, i would be doing something more like NFC smart card type shit tbh. Perhaps an embedded chip in your hand or something. There are options.

stoy , (edited )

Wow, a generic "Linux good, anything else dogshit" comment.

This is in no way relevant to the topic.

This is like if someone posted that they couldn't get their car with the color they wanted and you saying "fuck you and your car, I can paint my living room in any color I want, right now it is striped burgundy and mint, aren't living rooms way better than cars?"

uis ,
@uis@lemm.ee avatar

It is rather "you have proprietary car where you can't even change volume on radio, while I have car that can be repaired with standard parts".

With PAM you can do literal math captcha.

stoy ,

Show me a mobile phone running Linux with that config working. It doesn't exist.

uis ,
@uis@lemm.ee avatar

PinePhone64.

stoy ,

That is just a Phone model, you have yet to show me that phone being configured as you specified

uis ,
@uis@lemm.ee avatar

It's literally linux phone. It runs regular linux. Regular linux uses PAM modules. There is no difference between configuring it on desktop and on phone. If comprehending ability to use same OS on desktop and phone is beyond your intellectual ability, I will guide you with this logical chain: linux on desktop -> linux on ARM computer like raspberry pi -> linux on ARM computer based on Allwinner A64 -> PinePhone is based on Allwinner A64.

If you still don't grasp it, I'll try once more. This can be installed on regular linux. Single Board Computers can run regular linux. This includes Pine64, which uses A64 chip. A64 devices can run it from sd card. And if you can't imagine how Pine64 that works on A64 and PinePhone that works on A64 are connected, here's neat trick: insert bootable sd card into Pine64, load linux, configure math captcha module, shut it down, insert same sd card into powered off PinePhone, power it on, it will load exact same OS your Pine64 have been using and where math captcha is configured.

stoy ,

You still have not shown me a Phone configured as you bragged it could.

You don't grasp that I am not interested in theory, I am interested in practical demonstrations.

My point is that it doesn't matter if Linux xan do this, the discussion was about a mobile phone that could do both biometrics and pin at the same time.

uis ,
@uis@lemm.ee avatar

My point is that it doesn't matter if Linux xan do this,

So linuxphones you don't consider as phones? Fine.

stoy ,

Wow, you still don't get it.

Show me a Linux phone that is actually configured to unlock with both biometrics and pin, then you have proven that Linux is relevant.

I don't care about what is technically possible, I care about it actually being done.

I am not even asking if it is easy to setup or simple to use, I am just asking you to prove that it can be done on a Linux phone.

I am just asking for a proof of concept running on a Linux phone.

I am giving Linux the best possible chance here, the bare minimum.

The tasks I want to see done on a Linux phone is the following:

  1. Prompt for a fingerprint, face scan, or any quick biometric.
  2. Once passed the biometric prompt successfully, the phone should prompt for a pin.
  3. once passed both prompts the phone should unlock.

I love Linux, I have been a Linux sysadmin for almost a decade and used Linux on and off for almost twenty years. I daily drive Windows due to work and gaming, but am considering switching to Linux at home when Win10 goes EOL.

But unless you can show me a Linux phone configured as described above then Linux is not the answer.

For the time being I wish you a happy midsummer.

dysprosium ,

Linux is fucking dying on phones. UBport, etc all they can do is a cat and mouse game. Voip? Catch the mouse. And all the while it's running om proprietary cellular modem chips, something that will never change

KillingTimeItself ,

My point is that it doesn’t matter if Linux xan do this, the discussion was about a mobile phone that could do both biometrics and pin at the same time.

if you lack basic cognitive reasoning to the point that someone can configure PAM in a specific way on desktop linux, and that presumably, a phone running the exact same software suite, with no differences aside from graphical environment, somehow couldn't do this is actually just kind of sad.

Wait until you find out how monitors display color. They have three different colors, red green and blue, and somehow, that manages to make all the funny colors on your screen. But since you can't see the individual pixels with your naked eye, i guess that must be untrue now huh?

stoy ,

What are you on about?

KillingTimeItself ,

idk you tell me, i'm still trying to figure out what you were waffling on about.

KillingTimeItself ,

go show me that it's impossible then, once you show me that it's impossible i will go and do it myself just to spite you.

stoy ,

lol.

KillingTimeItself ,

lol.

KillingTimeItself ,

i wasn't talking about phones, but the pinephone, and the pinephone64, and a handful of other phones that are supposedly running linux, that are either not out yet, or really expensive.

stoy ,

Is this your alt?

lol.

KillingTimeItself ,

nope, unfortunately this is my main, and by main i mean the one sole singular lemmy account that i have.

KillingTimeItself ,

and the original comment is entirely irrelevant to the original thread? You can't be serious.

Am i not allowed to enjoy the flexibility of linux, ever? I agree with the original poster, i think android and IOS should objectively support these features, they have no reason not to. I've never said otherwise, i just think they're dogshit OS's because they don't support basic security features you would otherwise expect to any level of consistency.

No, it's more like ford only producing cars in black, and people complaining about the fact that they don't come in any other color, and then me mentioning that actually, you can just paint your own car a different color, it's not really that hard. But regardless of that ford only selling cars in black is a rather shitty business practice to do especially when customers want cars in other colors, because black is, rather boring.

stoy ,

So this is your alt, how cute!

KillingTimeItself ,

i have an alt? Since when?

I don't have any other accounts on lemmy lmao, you could doxx me and you would find nothing.

uis ,
@uis@lemm.ee avatar

With PAM you can do literal math captcha.

KillingTimeItself ,

Linux on it's way to support things because "haha funny, why not"

dev_null ,

You claim so and yet have no example article, video, blog post, or any form of proof of it ever being done. Everything is possible in theory, even on iOS (with a jailbreak).

KillingTimeItself ,

bro i use linux, i have literally configured a fingerprint scanner to work before, do you think i'm just making up PAM?

There is quite literally a section on the arch wiki about this being a thing.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Fingerprint_GUI#Password there are probably a handful of other methods of doing this notably any additional form of 2FA. (like this one is)

although realistically, there are better ways of doing this than using biometrics, physical security keys for example.

Also you say this like the OP actually verified that this was a thing that was impossible and couldn't be done. You're also acting like i claimed that this was explicitly the case, which i did not.

dev_null , (edited )

bro i use linux, i have literally configured a fingerprint scanner to work before

So did I, can confirm it's easy, and it doesn't matter because we are not talking about configuring a fingerprint scanner to work, we are talking about having a phone lock screen that asks for both a fingerprint and a password, something that would require, at the very least, UI that I don't think exists in any Linux phone project. That there is underlying functionality in PAM to make it happen is irrelevant, because that's only part of such a solution.

do you think i’m just making up PAM?

No, why? I'm saying that there is no Linux phone where "you can just do this out of the box" like you say.

KillingTimeItself ,

i wasn't talking about phones, you are retconning my own thoughts lmao.

No, why? I’m saying that there is no Linux phone where “you can just do this out of the box” like you say.

i did not say that, not once, please show me where on the doll it says "linux phone"

dev_null ,

The topic is about phones, and you said:

Gotta love android and IOS being utter dogshit.

If you are saying you started an offtopic conversation about Linux that had nothing to do with phones, and then, unrelated to your own comment, complained about Android and iOS even though your comment had nothing to do with phones, then... that sure is interesting.

KillingTimeItself ,

no, we were talking about basic cybersecurity, or i suppose physical device security, which just happens to be relevant to phones because it turns out phones are dogshit at physical security. So i left a comment about how this is basically a solved problem on linux, because it's not actually that hard to just implement proper security.

I was complaining about android, because both me and the commenter i was responding to were talking about how awful security is on these devices, for no reason other than utter incompetence or forced inaction.

This isn't interesting, it's a basic conversational pattern, if you haven't spoken with enough people to realize that conversations just, shift sometimes, i feel bad for you.

AA5B , (edited )

It’s sort of there, but maybe more to protect from criminals than abuses of authorities. All of my bank apps require a second authentication to launch or even to switch back to them.

Granted I could turn it that off or set it to biometrics, but I leave it on PINs. A criminal wanting to steal from my bank account will need both my biometrics to unlock my phone and a different PIN per bank.

This even provides some protection from the $5 wrench they’d use. Sure, I’ll unlock my phone at the threat of real violence. But you won’t know ahead of time what banking app I have or even how many, so you may not get them all. Pay by phone may use the same biometric but I can likely dispute those charges after the fact

In the abuse of authority scenario, that may keep them out of my bank records but there are established paths to get that from the bank so they’re less likely to be interested. I’m sure they’re more interested in violating the privacy of my friends and family

TheReturnOfPEB , in [USA] Appeals court rules that cops can physically make you unlock your phone

face based and fingerprint based unlocking schemes is a bad idea.

if you dead someone can still unlock your phone with your corpse

nehal3m ,

You are unable to care at that point though.

TheReturnOfPEB ,

Stealing from an dead person is still stealing.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

From their heirs, maybe.

I consider the real question to be how they ended up dead but you do you.

LordCrom , in [USA] Appeals court rules that cops can physically make you unlock your phone

Do not use thumbprint
Do not use facial recognition

No matter how desperate companies want you to.... Apple , looking at you

Just use a passcode. Passwords can't be forced from you by police. Judges are a different thing.

Ifera ,

No judge can overrule an "I forgot the password"

A_Random_Idiot ,
@A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world avatar

Wasnt there a guy that was kept in prison for years because he "couldnt remember" his password?

Two9A ,

That's law in the UK:

Section 49 of the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 gives the police the power to issue a notice which requires the suspect to disclose their PIN or password if necessary. You are not compelled to provide your password to the police in any instance.

However, section 53 of RIPA makes it a criminal offence not to comply with the terms of a s.49 notice which is punishable by up to two years imprisonment and up to 5 years imprisonment in cases involving national security and child indecency.

A_Random_Idiot ,
@A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world avatar

So you have to hand over your password if they claim you wont give over your password cause you are hiding CSM?

also the guy I am thinking of is American.. which I cant find, because there are too many stories about Americans being put in jail/prison for ridiculouslylong amounts of time for not giving over passwords

Two9A ,

If the police and/or Crown Prosecution Service claim you're hiding Material behind a password, you can either hand over the password or get thrown in jail under RIPA §53.

I don't know what section of the US Code would apply for the same, but a generic "Obstructing Justice" wouldn't surprise me.

thr0w4w4y2 ,

note that in the UK, yes they can. The offence is “failing to unlock the device.”

Ifera ,

Wow, just did a reading on that, it is beyond fucked up

sp3tr4l , (edited )

Hey, I'm from the other thread, and I'm using Thunder on mobile... seeing as I ended up blocking MindTraveller to keep my blood pressure at a reasonable level, thus preventing me from seeing that whole comment chain and replying to you in that thread... and ... I don't seem to be able to initiate a dm on Thunder? Maybe because your account is based in another instance?

Just wanted to reply to you here.

Thank you. I'm 35, queer autistic man, and I somehow seem to be the most left leaning person I know IRL at nearly all times of my life, and I actually put my... boots where my ideology is, worked at non profits, volunteered, actually do the mutual aid thing.

But somehow, online, theres always somebody who in their mind is the perfect embodiment of the progressive advocate, the perfect member of society who... fairly obviously is either extremely privileged, or terminally online to the point of delusion, and they will have no problem telling you that actually you're a pos because they have a whole fun world view that answers every question even though it bears little resemblance to reality, and your reality informed views do not align with this.

Cest la vie, thats just how things go.

Thanks again for your kind words, and I guess apologies to the mods, if someone could explain to me how to dm another user on Thunder, I'd appreciate it.

Ifera ,

Odd, I can't either on Sync or Web, but was able to in Voyager(Whether you will receive it or not, remains to be seen). Gay guy, 37, probably queer but the definition changes so much I never know when it is OK to use it and when it is not, but I agree.

And I am not as hardcore as you are, I wish I could afford it though. Third world living in a capitalistic hellscape can be tough. And today I am dealing with mortality again as my oldest cat is very ill, so I haven't slept in a while.

I am very scientific, critical of everything, and try to fight for what I believe in, which is hard, especially when I have 3 cats who depend on me.

And from what I said earlier, you deserve every word. You are a beacon, my boy.

sp3tr4l , (edited )

Thanks, truly.

(Hey, I'm being so sincere right now =P)

((See other reply to your other comment))

Best wishes to your cats.

Thcdenton ,

Oi mate u got a loicense to forget that password?

dev_null , (edited )

No matter how desperate companies want you to.... Apple , looking at you

Are you implying there is some ulterior motive in phone manufacturers including fingerprint scanners? That Apple has them because they secretly want to make it easier for police to conduct phone searches? Because that's a very bold claim, and "because customers like the convenience" seems to me like a much simpler explanation.

LordCrom ,

From experience, with facial scan or fingerprint scan available on Apple, 3rd party app require it. E.g. okta MFA login, for those with apple phones, using face scan can be forced. I know you are free to decline and free to quit the company requiring it, but just like any new data set, you soon won't be able to live without providing it.

Remember when a social security number was introduced, gov promised it wouldn't be used as a identification number for any other purpose . Forward 50 years and now you can't do anything without it.

AshMan85 , in [USA] Appeals court rules that cops can physically make you unlock your phone

This is why you ALWAYS use a pw/pin.

reattach ,

While it doesn't contradict what you're saying, apparently ”the provisions of his parole required him to surrender any electronic devices and passcodes." Wtf

AshMan85 ,

I'll keep telling them it is my 4th amendment right to get a warrant.

Obonga , in New Windows AI feature records everything you’ve done on your PC

Is microsoft secretly invested in getting people into linux because it is sure as hell working for me.

Bishma , in How to opt out of the privacy nightmare that comes with new Hondas
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I'm in need of a new (to me) car soon and this is stopping me from even starting the shopping process. Now I know I can cross new Hondas off my list of consideration (I can't stand to have notifications I can't turn off). But that still leaves a lot research into information the car companies don't want me to have and which I don't want to have to do.

Maybe I'll buy an old Crown Vic. They drive forever and don't look like any of the cars that local police currently use.

0110010001100010 ,
@0110010001100010@lemmy.world avatar

Maybe I’ll buy an old Crown Vic. They drive forever and don’t look like any of the cars that local police currently use.

lol just picked this up a few months back: https://files.catbox.moe/1xfxn3.jpg

bigmclargehuge ,
@bigmclargehuge@lemmy.world avatar

2010 to 2015 is my golden era. All the creature comforts like bluetooth, heated seats, etc, reliable, efficient engines (companies like Toyota and Honda still use most of the engines that were used in this era), but none of the big tech additions we've seen since.

FlashMobOfOne , in As mind-reading technology improves, Colorado passes first-in-nation law to protect privacy of our thoughts
@FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

Very, very glad to see this starting to become addressed in law.

Also a little surprised Europe didn't do it first. We're usually way behind on these things in the US.

dependencyinjection , in [USA] Appeals court rules that cops can physically make you unlock your phone

iOS users can press and hold the power and volume up button until the emergency call screen appears, then release. You now have to enter your PIN / Password to unlock again and not use TouchID / FaceID. Good luck trying to get me to tell you the code.

sep ,
NikkiDimes ,

Similarly, on Android there's an option in your lock screen settings along the lines of "Show lockdown option" that adds a lockdown button to the power/restart menu when holding the power button.

OozingPositron ,
@OozingPositron@feddit.cl avatar

Or you can press the power button for like 10 seconds, that should force a restart and android asks for password/pin/unlock pattern after restart or after 48 hours.

bcron ,

iPhone SE also has that. It'll disable the fingerprint on next unlock if you hold the power button for 5 seconds or mash the power button repeatedly (like 5 times in 2 seconds, therabouts). Pretty handy to know these things not only for police but if you get mugged. Everyone should know how to lock their phone out

JordanZ ,

You can hit the power button 5 times to accomplish the same thing as well.

dependencyinjection ,

I can only count to three. 😔

DogWater ,

One, two, five!

-Three, sir.

THREE!

Bull205 ,

Your comment and the one above should be shared widely these days. Everyone should know this.

LifeInMultipleChoice ,

On Android the lockdown option shows next to the shutdown, requires a code instead of a bio

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/6795978f-9af9-4cb0-9025-63223c7a7078.png

flerp ,

Everyone should just not use these methods to unlock their phones in the first place. Pressing a power button 5 times, or holding a power button for 10 seconds, or pressing and holding buttons until the emergency screen appears are very easy things to do, at least until there is a cop in your face grabbing your phone and putting you in cuffs.

anamethatisnt , in Not having search results in duckduckgo

Bing’s API is down, taking Microsoft Copilot, DuckDuckGo and ChatGPT’s web search feature down too

Bishma , in New Windows AI feature records everything you’ve done on your PC
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As far as availability goes, Microsoft says that Recall is still undergoing testing. "Recall is currently in preview status," Microsoft says on its website. "During this phase, we will collect customer feedback, develop more controls for enterprise customers to manage and govern Recall data, and improve the overall experience for users."

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