Telegram founder and CEO alledges signal has backdoors, they don't provide reproduceible builds, etc.

Here's what he said in a post on his telegram channel:

🤫 A story shared by Jack Dorsey, the founder of Twitter, uncovered that the current leaders of Signal, an allegedly “secure” messaging app, are activists used by the US state department for regime change abroad 🥷

🥸 The US government spent $3M to build Signal’s encryption, and today the exact same encryption is implemented in WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger, Google Messages and even Skype. It looks almost as if big tech in the US is not allowed to build its own encryption protocols that would be independent of government interference 🐕‍🦺

🕵️‍♂️ An alarming number of important people I’ve spoken to remarked that their “private” Signal messages had been exploited against them in US courts or media. But whenever somebody raises doubt about their encryption, Signal’s typical response is “we are open source so anyone can verify that everything is all right”. That, however, is a trick 🤡

🕵️‍♂️ Unlike Telegram, Signal doesn’t allow researchers to make sure that their GitHub code is the same code that is used in the Signal app run on users’ iPhones. Signal refused to add reproducible builds for iOS, closing a GitHub request from the community. And WhatsApp doesn’t even publish the code of its apps, so all their talk about “privacy” is an even more obvious circus trick 💤

🛡 Telegram is the only massively popular messaging service that allows everyone to make sure that all of its apps indeed use the same open source code that is published on Github. For the past ten years, Telegram Secret Chats have remained the only popular method of communication that is verifiably private 💪

Original post: https://t.me/durov/274

Legend ,

There is briar . Check it out .

ChallengeApathy ,

Sounds like someone is mad that security experts would rather trust a tried-and-true encryption standard over Telegram's encryption which is known to not be anywhere near as secure as the Signal protocol.

Pavel resorting to outright slander to promote Telegram is not something I expected to see.

tetris11 ,
@tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

he does raise very valid points about reproducible builds, which should be a priority if your product is security

Edit: oh @Wolflink below points out that such builds are available for Android, but iOS has issues stemming from Apple and not Signal. This then begs the question, why is Telegram reproducible on iOS?

rottingleaf ,

This then begs the question, why is Telegram reproducible on iOS?

Is it really.

tetris11 ,
@tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

that's indeed what I am asking

aicse ,

You need some loops to jump through to get there. But that can be achieved for Signal as well, if you check the discussions regarding reproducible builds for Signal's iOS client, you'll see that people just decided it is not worth the hassle to push it through.

rottingleaf ,

Sounds like someone is mad that security experts would rather trust a tried-and-true encryption standard over Telegram’s encryption which is known to not be anywhere near as secure as the Signal protocol.

There's an issue in Russia with graduates of a few of the "kinda top" universities considering themselves elite, but not quite being as qualified as they think.

Durov's brother won a few programming competitions for highschoolers. Because of that apparently he should be considered something in cryptography. For people thinking like this at least.

Pavel resorting to outright slander to promote Telegram is not something I expected to see.

Why, it's very much like him.

als ,

Let's all just be adults and start using Matrix

NGC2346 ,

I'll stick to Threema and Session, and SimpleX for those who use it. But thanks.

Takios ,
@Takios@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

I wonder if their recent blog post promoting conspiracy theorists and right-wing people turned away more people from telegram than they expected and now they feel the need to spread FUD against their competitors.

jherazob ,

I missed this one, have a link?

Takios ,
@Takios@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

This is the blog post: https://telegram.org/blog/my-profile-and-15-more
This is a post highlighting the problematic content of the blog post: https://plush.city/@PsyChuan/112336464469767051

Though now that I'm more awake I think it's probably unrelated, I haven't seen this circulated around that much.

rottingleaf ,

1488 and other Nazi numbers are, eh, just normal jokes in Russia.

But in general yes, I think this is on purpose. Probably want some people think Telegram is kinda counterculture and more secure. It's not secure at all, of course.

dolle ,

Yes, sorry, but I can't take something seriously if every paragraph begins and ends with an emoji. I know it's dismissive, but all my Facebook lunatic conspiracy theory alarm bells are blaring.

rottingleaf ,

It's more normal in Russian-speaking Web.

Shouldn't trust this guy anyway, it's VK's founder talking.

sexy_peach ,

Imagine using telegram... It's worse than whatsapp

anon5621 ,

Cannot agree about this.telegram have at least open clientsource code,and a lot pirated stuff u cN find in telegram channels. So if choosing between telegram and WhatsApp.Definitely Telegram.

yogthos ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

I find it weird how any discussion about Signal will inevitably have a bunch of people piling on dismissing any criticisms of it. Believing that Signal is perfect has become like a religion at this point. Whatever people might think of Telegram is completely irrelevant when it comes to the question of whether Signal is actually a secure tool or not.

The fact that people working on Signal have direct ties to US intelligence agencies cannot be ignored. No can the fact that Signal is a centralized system based in US. These two things alone should make everybody very concerned.

AsepticFuturisticFox ,
@AsepticFuturisticFox@beehaw.org avatar

The article about Maher is written by a conservative who can't accept that we can limit individual freedom to reach true collective freedom.

Also he wrote for FoxNews lol

Stop spreading propaganda please, it's just a CEO trying to shill its product

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