weew ,

Saying the Bible is based in history is kinda like saying Cocaine Bear is based on a true story

In fact I'm pretty sure we have more evidence of Cocaine Bear's existence

rottingleaf ,

I mean, yeah. If you read something about gnostic non-Christian versions of Judaism existent at that time, you might notice that the whole idea of him is reminiscent of what a gnostic cult believer should be himself.

The part about being a higher entity clothed in human existence which should remember itself, drop those clothes and ascend.

Probably grew out of some story of "the guy who actually managed to do that", ha-ha, which somehow blended with a few real figures.

EDIT: Now when I think about it, makes Jedi religion in Star Wars seem even more Christian. Especially if we count various concepts (Journal of the Whills) and branches existent in the EU (Living Force, Potentium and what not).

HopingForBetter ,

I mean, in the book it even mentions that there are other people doing the exact same thing Jesus did. The book even implies that Jesus was not even one of the more popular trouble makers of the time. It's more or less the sophists in a back-woods community that the Romans gave very little fucks about. Not surprising there's little-to-no evidence.

rottingleaf ,

That much is obvious, if you read Lucian, street prophets with followers were a mundane thing to see.

Actually now when the fine tradition of burning heretics is all but gone in the European cultures, this trait of Antique Mediterranean is slowly coming back.

MossyFeathers ,

Interesting. I thought it was fairly well established that Jesus existed in some capacity but the debate was about who he actually was and (from a religious standpoint) if he did any of the things the Bible claims he did. It's interesting to read that non-jewish people of the time seemed to have no knowledge of his existence.

At the same time though, I wonder if it's possible that most people just ignored him, which is why there's apparently very few accounts of him until after he supposedly died, resurrected and ascended to heaven. Kinda like a street preacher in Times Square, NYC. How many people actually acknowledge street preachers on social media, and how many of them actually know the preachers by name? Then think about how social media didn't exist yet, so the bar to be recorded in history by uninterested third parties (even just as a letter to a friend about that "annoying Jesus guy") is probably a lot higher.

Not saying he existed, just that it's interesting to think that he could have existed but the lack of evidence is just because no one gave a fuck.

pete_the_cat ,
corsicanguppy ,

I've read some stuff suggesting pretty much that -- a cult that he started, ditched when it got out of hand and they killed his brother, but then he rejoined to reign it back in. Far from low-born, far from celibate, far from magical. He's buried in northern Spain and was survived by three children.

LazerDickMcCheese ,

Can I get your sources?

Mr_Blott ,

Dave down the Red Lion

Tinidril ,

Some version of Jesus absolutely existed, since is was a pretty common name. Street preachers were not uncommon either, so it's very possible that there was one named Jesus.

The real debate about whether Jesus existed is whether any of the biblical stories are at all accurate. There is No reason to think they are.

uienia ,

absolutely existed

vs

it's very possible

are two wildly different claims which cannot co-exist.

Tinidril ,

Except they were two different claims. "Some guy named Jesus existed", and "Some guy named Jesus was a street preacher".

flambonkscious ,

It's a novel take for me, as well. I'd have assumed the Pharisees would have surely written about him as they hated him so much...

But I'm still trying to wrap my little head around mythologised history and historicised mythology!

AnomalousBit ,

Jeez people, next you’re going to tell me the whole Jesus story is just a fucking rehash of other stories that already existed

bighatchester ,

Your telling me there was no Jewish zombie carpenter?

BruceTwarzen ,

I mean it sounds stupid when you think about it. As long as talking snakes are real, i'm finrle with it.

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