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  • Snowpix ,
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    It's almost like being extremely antagonistic and smug doesn't convince people of your arguments and just puts them off...

    Specal ,

    It also doesn't work if you're not "antagonistic and smug". People don't like to change, so they aren't going to change their eating habits.

    It has nothing to do with how people talk to you and everything to do with you just liking meat.

    canadaduane ,
    @canadaduane@lemmy.ca avatar

    I appreciate your question, but I think "we know" is problematic:

    • who is "we"?
    • how do we "know"?
    • can some people know one thing while others know the opposite?

    I'm not trolling, either, just asking questions from a philosophical point of view. I've changed my mind about several things I took very seriously and thought I was 100% right about. Could others be dealing with similar changing-mind-through-time processes? Could you?

    3volver OP ,

    "We" are informed individuals who care about proven scientific facts.

    "Know" is the fact that methane is a strong greenhouse gas.

    No, when it comes to something factually proven time and time again. Anyone can "know" anything but that doesn't mean they're correct.

    I've gone through many mind changing events in my life time, so has everyone else.

    canadaduane ,
    @canadaduane@lemmy.ca avatar

    "We know better than you" has never been an effective way to change other peoples' minds, in my experience.

    psion1369 ,

    Beef makes money. Just like cars, oil makes money.

    BearOfaTime ,

    Begging the question

    Vendetta9076 ,
    @Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Its a cultural thing for my wife and her family. Pretty much every meal she learned to cook when she was a beef meal.

    kandoh ,

    Big money involved

    knightly ,
    @knightly@pawb.social avatar

    Because my partners are picky eaters and I literally cannot get them to even try vegetarian meals. If it doesn't have beef, pork, or chicken then they won't touch it. >_<

    iiGxC ,

    Because people are selfish, stuck in their ways, and speciesist. Some are also ignorant

    Chocrates ,

    You really triggered some folks 🤣

    3volver OP ,

    Good, discussion has gotten stale as fuck on the internet. I don't want to see Lemmy become some censored smooth brained shit pool like Reddit.

    Regalia ,
    @Regalia@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    I have a eating disorder so most vegetables make me retch, so I kind of don't have a choice.

    Also companies do way more emissions than I ever will, yet I'm asked to stop.

    Drusas ,

    I have food sensitivities which make it so that I can't eat most leafy greens, most legumes, mushrooms, large amounts of carbs....

    I'd be on the toilet 24 hours a day if I went vegan.

    adespoton ,

    Along with the other answers:

    Because cooked cowflesh smells delicious, and there are companies out there that are willing to capitalize on that.

    The bigger question is: why do people still drink cows milk? And the answer to that one is all about politics and power.

    ColeSloth ,

    Because pouring vodka in my bowls of cinnamon toast crunch is frowned upon by society.

    yukichigai ,
    @yukichigai@kbin.social avatar

    Let 'em frown. You have Cinnamon Toast Vodka now.

    Whayle ,
    @Whayle@kbin.social avatar

    Thanks to you, cinnamon toast cocktails are a thing I have just now learned about

    iAmTheTot ,
    @iAmTheTot@kbin.social avatar

    Honestly, I like the taste of cow's milk. I drink it because I enjoy it. I'm also a sucker for chocolate and milk.

    mugthol ,

    Same, I just like how it tastes. I'd rather not eat any meat than not drink milk. I do know that both are bad for the environment and for the cows but quitting is not easy

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  • Akareth ,

    Because:

    • Ruminants like cows repair our depleating topsoil via regenerative farming (our current approach of using petroleum-based fertilisers is not sustainable)
    • A single cow's life can feed a human for 1 to 2 years, compared to the many incidentally killed animals (insects, rodents, frogs, birds, etc.) during the growing and harvesting of crops, plus the destruction of entire ecosystems to create the mono-crop farms in the first place
    • Humans need to eat lots of fat to be physically and mentally healthy, and beef provides lots of fat (the low-fat high-carbohydrate diets recommended by various agencies — starting with the US's department of agriculture in the late '70s via the food pyramid — are making us sick, with once-rare diseases such as cardiovascular disease, diabetes, depression, and dementia now commonplace)
    YaBoyMax , (edited )

    This is ignoring the fact that raising a cow for consumption requires ~10 times the amount of crops per calorie compared to just eating the crops directly. Also, I don't think I've heard a single health expert recommend eating more beef - the universal understanding is that red meat consumption is generally a net negative in terms of overall health.

    GrayBackgroundMusic ,

    requires ~10 times the amount of crops per calorie compared to just eating the crops directly

    Kind of, kind of not. If fed corn, yes. If pasture raised, no. Humans can't eat grass. Cows convert grass into food.

    p5yk0t1km1r4ge ,

    Because we are carnivores and that's how nature works?

    chetradley ,

    The word you're looking for is omnivores

    p5yk0t1km1r4ge ,

    Alrighty!

    decivex ,

    I'm not a vegetarian by any stretch but even I know there's nothing natural about how the bio industry works.

    Leviathan ,

    Dumb fucks who fall for propaganda on every platform.

    Son_of_dad ,

    I'm a native whose culture have hunted and eaten meat for millennia, what propaganda were my ancient ancestors being shown?

    Leviathan ,

    What does what your ancestors did have to do with what we now know about modern factory farming? The question was about still eating beef despite what we know today, what does that have to do with your ancestors? Is your comment not the very definition of a strawman?

    Son_of_dad ,

    Who are you to come to my continent, judge me and tell me my culture is wrong?

    Sizzler ,

    The future mate, the future.

    Zoot ,
    @Zoot@reddthat.com avatar

    The future will absolutely not look down on cultures that have to rely on animals for food. Do we look at native Americans as horrible people because they had to slaughter animals, in a controlled, and relatively well thought out manner?

    Personally I believe the most likely alternative will be bugs. Do bugs not count as an animal? Or would you say bugs shouldn't be eaten either

    Sizzler ,

    They would drive animals off cliffs. That would cause horror if they were to repeat it today yes.
    Just stop eating living animals it's that simple, but if you want to eat bugs, knock yourself out.

    I think we'll find "plagues" of species more common and end up harvesting as many as possible then so that "locust" is the primary protein source for that year.

    Zoot ,
    @Zoot@reddthat.com avatar

    Its not that simple. I can see why you believe it is, and it probably helps contribute to why you have little empathy even for those who show you they physically cant.

    Sizzler ,

    Why, explain, why the next time you go shopping you NEED to buy animal products?

    You talk about my lack of empathy? jokes are flowing tonight. I noticed you didn't deny the chicken allegations ;)

    Zoot ,
    @Zoot@reddthat.com avatar

    What chicken allegations? Are you high or something?

    Sizzler ,

    Lol replied to the wrong person. A lil.

    Anyway ignore that bit. Why do you need to buy animal products? There are alternatives.

    Zoot ,
    @Zoot@reddthat.com avatar

    Soon to be alternatives, which I'm all for. I was only pointing it out that it isn't exactly plausible for everyone, and arguing with someone who can't is not worth their time, or yours.

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