What's wrong with minority views and practices creating their own spaces?
On which, is there any non-vegan/anti-vegan thought or idea that a vegan is likely to have not heard already? How many haven't they heard relative to the amount of decent "pro-vegan" ideas they also haven't heard of?
Maybe a specialised space, echo chamber even, makes sense in order to balance against the gravity of the mainstream?
Right. Well, I think the instance name "vegantheory.org" was doing that already, and I'm betting you drew your conclusion from the public description of the place too (and aren't in the modlog or anything for challenging their ideas).
they drive away potential allies because the concept of harm reduction is anathema to their binary thinking. If you’re not ALL in, you’re the enemy.
I can resonate with that. But I come back to ... "it's totally ok for people to create their own spaces, especially on federated social media and especially for minority groups/ideas".
There are likely plenty of other spaces for "potential allies" to engage and talk about veganism if they want to, or plenty they, or you, could make on their own.
Tacitly admitting that vegans are usually antisocial zealots. “It’s right in the name!”
Well, they're running their own social media platform, so I'm not sure how anti-social they are.
Veganism tends to be a religion for a lot of vegans and they drive away potential allies because the concept of harm reduction is anathema to their binary thinking. If you’re not ALL in, you’re the enemy.
That is a strawman and a lie as vegans are always celebrating the small wins for the increased protections on animal rights.
I believe you ... gate-keeping types are all over the place really.
But vegans or the "vegan-curious" aren't one thing or one kind of person, at least not any more. I personally have only ever had positive conversations with vegan types.
This instance, in being insistent on not entertaining any "harm reduction" or "compromises", makes sense though ... because it's a space for people to talk about that sort of dedicated approach.
How are you generating stories with Apple Intelligence? When I ask Siri to “tell me story,” Siri pulls from a small library of canned stories. They’re the same on iOS 17 and 18. They’re not generative and I can’t say “tell me a story about dinosaurs who where top hats.”
I’m a little off-put by how aggressive you’re being, but let’s consider what you’ve said:
Siri pulls from a small library of canned stories.
I’d appreciate a citation. Although, since this seems weird to prove without an official statement AND because Apple might just try this— I’ll consider a preponderance of evidence in lieu of some academic (or journalistic) study in the matter. It had better be good.
I also am very much aware of 2 important things re: your argument:
I am able to produce the stories from Siri prompts on my iPhone 14 Pro (running iOS 18 DB1), a device that has been listed, even before the iOS 18 announcement, as not being able to support any of the AI features.
I never summoned a “bedtime story” before, but I find them eminently amusing. I still think that weird and good ones should be posted here. I will adjust the requirements for the Community accordingly.
Even if you are correct in everything you said, the point of this community is for people who enjoy these stories to share them and enjoy them. Regardless of a few technical inaccuracies on my part, Don don’t yuck our Yum. Thx
PS: if you wish to (and for those also reading this) — I encourage everyone to share your weird and funny generated stories anyway. If Apple intelligence is able to make these stories better in the future, all the better. Please share those as well!
It wasn’t my intention to come across as aggressive. Not trying to pick a fight here.
I’m honestly just curious about how some gen AI features are showing for you. If you are able to access them, I would love to reproduce what you did so that I could fiddle with the AI as well. I’m seeing the same bedtime stories on my iOS 17 / 18 devices and my Ventura Mac.
When ask iOS 18 Siri to tell me a story, I get the same handful of stories over and over. Mouse college friends, a spider with the spindly legs, ground squirrels, etc. 🤷♂️
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