KillingTimeItself ,

well, after having thought about it for hours. And i really mean hours (please help me, also don't mind me, i'm just autistic as fuck and think about these sorts of things a lot)

I have finally put together my ultimate conclusion on this topic. And it is as follows:

For starters, why am i in the woods? Presumably in this example i was just teleported out there at random, with one other entity, either a human or a bear. Now idk much about bear psychology, but if i were a bear, and a human popped up out of nowhere in front of me, i would lose my shit. So chances are im probably going to die.

As for a human, assuming a statistically random sample from the world, lets assume for the sake of this example, someone from within the same geographical area that i am in, because it makes logical sense for the statement here. The chances of them being 1. significant deviant enough that the second they see me, and decide they want to be a problem, is low enough that i'm willing to take it. Paired with the fact that often times abusers and rapists tend to be people you already know (it's just a basic fun fact about being around people) and in this case, it's probably someone i've never seen before, much less interacted with. I'm assuming the chances of me getting my shit fucked up are probably between 0-5% i feel like that's pretty reasonable. i can't imagine much more than like 10% of any given western population are active rapists. So we'll go with that. And like i said the bear? Probably going to flip it's shit. And even if it doesn't it's still gotta be higher than 10% i would assume.

Now, moving on to the secondary factors, we're lost in a forest. The very obvious factor here is that being there with another individual greatly increases your odds of being found/getting out, both due to collective knowledge accumulation between the two of you, and the likelihood that other people realize you're gone being twice as high (roughly) but we won't consider that aspect significant. So moving back to the productive aspects of having two people. Assuming we're the female in this case, and the other person is a male, as per the statement rules. That means we have someone who is more likely to be stronger, and more capable of exerting themselves, which could prove useful in a situation like this. However more people is still more better, so we'll say about a 100% productivity bonus just to be safe here. As aforementioned, we have a secondary source of knowledge here, so we can collectively decide on things, as well as think about them, which often leads to more correct/better solutions/outcomes. As well as the obvious benefit of having someone to socialize with, this is a natural morale booster. Humans are social creatures. Nuff said.

One more thing though, since we've established that there are potential benefits to this situation, we must now compare those benefits to the downsides of the other situation, so let's do that

  • being alone (having no additional help, assuming we aren't immediately mauled and eaten by the bear)
  • not being alone (the likely potential that you DO get help, and quite significant amounts of it, with the small additional chance of being raped and killed)
    Ok i think that pretty much sums it up.

Alright, now moving on to the tertiary aspects of this, let's modify the original statement. And say that we didn't just randomly teleport, and that we walked into the woods with someone else (we aren't counting kidnapping because then this statement wouldn't really apply would it?) Anyway, now that we've pulled foul play off of the table. You're walking into the forest with someone you probably already know, or someone who you've gotten to know thus far. They aren't a stranger or at the very least, not a complete stranger, presumably you don't just wander into the forest randomly for no reason, so lets assume you're going on a hike or something. It's good exercise after all, so for one thing, you've got some level of equipment with you. Probably some level of self defense capability (depending on where you are and how much you care) you did not come into this with the intent of being lost, and you are with someone that you know.

I feel like i don't have to expand on why picking the bear in this option would be a bad choice...

alright, that concludes my lengthy essay on my opinion of this "thought experiment" feel free to yell at me or whatever, or engage with this, i probably missed something. New information always adds to the fun :) The whole point of a thought experiment is trying out new thoughts and weird ideas after all. Also just for the record, since some of you are probably curious. I have no opinion about these sorts of situations what so ever, because they aren't real, and don't exist, so the only valuable thing i can glean from them is through stats and situational analysis.

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    Hestia ,

    I could fuck up any guy who tries to mess with me. A bear, not so much...

    But at least I could reason with a bear.

    Darkenfolk ,

    But at least I could reason with a bear.

    Sure you can Steve Irwin, I somehow doubt that the bear can reason with you though.

    Leon_Frotsky ,
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    I'm incredibly bear pilled ngl, as long as I stay a decent distance from it and don't do anything dumb I'll be fine, with a random guy idk what might happen, there's no certain set of rules to follow to get me out of the situation safely - I'll probably be with a perfectly normal well adjusted guy or I might be with some super transphobe who sees a small visibly trans girl alone in the woods away from all civilisation with no witnesses or some incel who sees his opportunity to get some, regardless of consent. In the bear scenario, all of the power is in my hands to just make sure that I don't do anything dumb and as long as I don't I'll be fine, in the man scenario I just have to trust the luck of the draw to give me a decent man to be alone in the woods with.

    gmtom ,
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    That post frustrated the fuck out of me. Like I get and agree with the point you're trying to make. But no, if you were actually given that choice no reasonable person is actually going to pick the bear.

    Mubelotix OP ,
    @Mubelotix@jlai.lu avatar

    I'm not trying to make a point tbh. It's one of those questions where there is no right answer due to many details not being said in the question

    gmtom ,
    @gmtom@lemmy.world avatar

    Sorry, by "you" I mean the original OP

    yyyesss ,

    yeah, they would

    gmtom ,
    @gmtom@lemmy.world avatar

    You share your world with random men you don't know every single day. How often do you walk through a bear encloser at a zoo?

    Fidel_Cashflow ,
    @Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml avatar

    yeah, but nobody asks what you were wearing when you're attacked by a bear :)

    Serinus ,

    The bear isn't likely to want to screw with you.

    TK420 ,

    I have had bears violently coming towards me, I would not pick an apex predator any day, but yeah, pick the bear, sure lol.

    weker01 ,

    Aren't both choices technically apex predators?

    OurToothbrush ,

    No, because humans hunt bears and bears will kill humans

    WalrusDragonOnABike ,

    Why wouldn't a reasonable person pick the bear? Plenty of people have just ordinary, totally safe experiences with bears in their normal lives. Meanwhile, they have ordinary SV committed against them by men in their normal lives. Why shouldn't they pick the group that hasn't been a constant threat to them? Its not asking you to try to pick a fight with the bear.

    gmtom ,
    @gmtom@lemmy.world avatar

    Why wouldn’t a reasonable person pick the bear?

    Because you're comparing a wild animal that can easily kill you with a single swipe, with a random normal person?

    Plenty of people have just ordinary, totally safe experiences with bears in their normal lives.

    I can, with 10,000,000,000% certainty tell you that way more people have vastly more ordinary, totally safe experiences with random men in their normal lives than with bears.

    WalrusDragonOnABike ,

    Because you’re comparing a wild animal that can easily kill you with a single swipe, with a random normal person?

    Can easily kill is different than likely to. Plus, the same is true of any human, but they're also much more likely to have outcomes far worse than quickly being just being killed. Its a random person in the woods, not just a *normal *person (whatever "normal" is supposed to mean). But honestly, I don't think I'd put it past many "normal" humans (men and women) to commit at least minor SV in the "right" circumstances.

    I can, with 10,000,000,000% certainty tell you that way more people have vastly more ordinary, totally safe experiences with random men in their normal lives than with bears.

    Sure, but I'm just as certain that women have far more experiences with SV from humans than any violence from bears. Even if they're actual survivors of bear attacks, they're likely the victim of far more SV by men.

    Land_Strider ,

    Bear seeing a lone person in the woods:

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/77c42a6e-9fd8-4031-af1c-cf11c5bfc189.gif

    DSTGU ,

    I m losing faith in humanity any time this conversation resurfaces and I believe it would be a massive benefit to everyone involved if it never happened

    ShimmeringKoi ,
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    hexbear-majora

    I think something else was in my bear pill

    Setarkus ,

    Why, that looks like a perfectly healthy bear to me

    basilisa ,
    @basilisa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Also a bear wouldn't lie about the attack

    starman2112 , (edited )
    @starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

    A bear won't try to convince you that you weren't really assaulted and accuse you of just wanting attention

    Cysioland ,
    @Cysioland@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    hexbear.net users ahead of the curve

    Alaskaball ,
    @Alaskaball@hexbear.net avatar

    I'd rather do neither but at least I know all the safety guidelines for how to not get a bear to tear my ass apart

    prettybunnys ,

    Right, this is what folks aren’t understanding.

    Yes a big ass bear is clearly more dangerous but like in reality the random man is much more variable and there are WAY more examples of what we’re capable of as opposed to what a bear does.

    A bears nature is understood.

    OurToothbrush ,

    Yes a big ass bear is clearly more dangerous

    If it is a black bear, which 99 percent of the time it would be, nah, the man is more dangerous. Black bears are scaredy cats.

    lud ,

    Yes, the safety guidelines are not being close to a bear.

    ramius345 ,

    https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/03d24962-4408-417d-9f7f-fbe51be17841.jpeg

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