spaphy ,

Between this and the pip install break all system packages

This has to be about the dumbest change I could possibly gather in the last 20 years of computing. I can’t even imagine breaking this many things all at once. I’m still dealing with the side effects of people’s installers from docker-compose and the pip problems - ansible will just never be the same again. Now this.

e8d79 ,

How do your Python problems relate to a sudo/run0 discussion?

spaphy ,

If systems begin to drop support for the previous technology you run into incompatibility problems across the board

arran4 ,

Sounds reasonable. But I don't like the 0 in the name.

purplemonkeymad ,

Did they think about how far I would have to move my hand to type it? Sudo is only in two easy to reach places on the keyboard, run0 is 4 separate areas of the keyboard, one two rows from home and none on the home row.

I'm only partially joking.

jaypatelani ,
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SystemD looks to replace Linux kernel with kern0

laurelraven ,

I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, SystemD/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, SystemD plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning SystemD system made useful by the SystemD corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the SystemD system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of SystemD which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the SystemD system, developed by the SystemD Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the SystemD operating system: the whole system is basically SystemD with Linux added, or SystemD/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of SystemD/Linux!

markstos ,

Brilliant!

neutron ,

So we'll have to say GNU/Linux/SystemD soon?

downhomechunk ,
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Slackware users won't! At least not so far.

jaypatelani ,
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Lol probably

corsicanguppy ,

Lennart's cancer spreads.

twei ,

wtf

phoenixz ,

At this point I looks to replace systemd with vim. Anything better than systemd mess

jeremyparker ,

Me: Oh, I get it, this "Lemmy" website -- it's like The Onion but for nerds?

My fellow lemmings: No, they're serious. run0 is real.

Me: Hah. The Onion, but for nerds! I love it.

eugenia ,
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I personally don't have a problem with run0 over sudo, however, I don't want to have to remember to use a different command on the terminal. Just rename it "sudo", and do the new stuff with it. Just don't bother me having to remember new commands.

technom ,

You can uninstall the sudo application and add sudo as an alias for run0 in your shell initialization script. That's better than them renaming run0 to sudo, because that will prevent people from running the real sudo if they want it.

mariusafa ,

You can create aliases

kixik ,

I'm not systemd user, and I generally see this absorbing as much as possible as a terrible practice. I don't usually comment on systemd stuff, since I'm happy just not being forced to use it.

However, even though I don't use it, the decision of people managing systemd really affects non systemd users. See by succeeding in getting all major distros into become systemd distros (somehow now governed by RH, if anyone cares), everything systemd absorbs tend to leave alternatives sooner or later deprecated, or abandoned.

Even autofs is no longer part of some official repos, given systemd has its own auto mount/unmount functionality... And there are several other examples...

At any rate, hopefully the more bloated systemd, doesn't make it the more vulnerable. And also hopefully, doesn't make life worse and worse to non systemd distros and users...

BTW, before sudo there was su, so a life without sudo is possible, :)

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