oh_gosh_its_osh ,
@oh_gosh_its_osh@lemmy.ml avatar

Running Silverblue here and only one minor issue due to the wifi mac address changes and locking myself out of my network.

I also realised, that the upgrade didn't like it when Ihade packages removed from the base which resulted in broken dependencies.

After resetting it upgrading went without any glitch.

barbara ,

All good on my device but I use fedora atomic. If it wasn't good, I could just roll back.

poinck ,
@poinck@lemm.ee avatar

Does Fedora atomic use a rolling release model?

barbara ,

No, it's image based.

You can always use the testing image if you want

boredsquirrel , (edited )

No they just package the exact same versions, but differently. It uses rpm-ostree which is like Git but for operating systems (binaries).

A quick tour through Atomic Fedora

It relies on a main image, which could just be used like that. This is a minimal Fedora install, containing everything thats needed and nothing more.

You would then install apps via Flatpak, Appimage, binaries, Toolbox etc.

Or you can layer RPM packages, and you can install everything as on normal fedora. This will make updates a bit slower but is usually needed for small things like a different shell.

These packages will be kept updated in parallel to the OS. The OS is always 100% what Fedora ships, while the RPMs come from all the repos you can imagine, COPR, rpmfusion etc.

Rpm-ostree pulls down the update and the packages are added to that. But instead of modifying the current OS, it clones it, using the current one, and the differences (updates) that are downloaded.

This new image is now either complete, or gets the wanted RPMs added or removed. The new image is then set as new boot target.

You can use your system how long you want, but when you reboot (and this takes not any longer than a regular reboot) you will boot into the new version.

If something broke, you always have the last system kept. You can increase that number, so only the x-th last image gets automatically deleted. And you can manually sudo ostree admim pin 0 the current system, if you know it works well and you have for example a driver update, or a big system update, and want to be sure you will have this as backup.

You can also rebase, which means your system will now mirror a different repo of theirs. For example from Silverblue (GNOME) to Kinoite (KDE). This will change everything so that you now 100% have the packages of the new repo, failsafe.

If it would fail, the update would cancel and you dont get one.

So remember:

  • the system by default is 100% the one that Fedora ships. No manual upgrades, no strange "cant reproduce on my system" conflicts, nothing.
  • you can still install all RPMs you want
  • you can remove RPMs from the system
  • you can reset the system again to be 100% upstream
  • you can rebase to a different variant. Like Fedora to uBlue, including NVidia drivers and some packages. Or advanced images like Bluefin/Aurora, or Secureblue variants
  • updates either work 100% or fail
  • you will always have a fallback system (not only a kernel, an entire system) and you can keep as many as you want, forever

So basically: rpm-ostree gives you the needed control to have a stable OS.

But still not everything is "immutable" /managed with rpm-ostree. Your entire /var is mutable, and /etc and /home are symlinks from that. This means you can configure and break what you want, which can also be problematic.

Note though, that the vanilla /etc files are stored in /usr/etc, so you can restore them. Make sure to exclude crypttab, fstab and a few more!

poinck ,
@poinck@lemm.ee avatar

Thx, that was what I needed to understand Fedora atomic a bit better. Cool concept!

Unskilled5117 ,

If someone is interested in the atomic concept, i would recommend looking into uBlue. It offers the Fedora atomic spins with a lot of tweaks applied that take the user experience to another level. Everything is just hassle free. Highly recommended! There are separate images with tweaks for gamers and developers.

boredsquirrel ,

Same, still have Kinoite 39 pinned to be safe (even though I imagine rolling back would cause tons of broken dotfiles), but didnt need that.

Dotfiles are really the issue.

eveninghere ,

Version control the dot file.

boredsquirrel ,

How would this be done?

eltimablo ,

Screen sharing with Discord no longer works, but I think that's from an update to Flatpak because it was also happening at the end of 39's lifecycle.

boredsquirrel ,

You can mask flatpaks to not update. Likely also rollback

eltimablo ,

I'm fairly confident that it's a change in Flatpak itself rather than any one specific Flatpak, since all of my apps now use the same new screen sharing interface. Difference is that it actually works in those apps.

russjr08 ,
@russjr08@bitforged.space avatar

Were you using X11 before, by chance? IIRC Fedora 40 dropped X11, and only ships with Wayland by default. The fact that all of your apps are using the same screen sharing interface sounds like they're using the screen share portal due to running under a Wayland session, which Discord doesn't currently support currently.

For a while there was a workaround using a tool called XWaylandVideoBridge but even that stopped working for me.

I've heard that Vesktop supports screensharing under Wayland (and supposedly with sound support too), and it is available on Flathub - might be worth a try.

boredsquirrel ,

Flatpak doesnt handle that, this is an xdg-desktop-portal by your Desktop that is also used for other apps.

ProgrammingSocks ,

Doesn't work for me on GNOME Wayland on Arch either. I'm also using the flatpak.

theshatterstone54 ,

Yes. Numerous COPR repos not updated aside, my sddm theme broke and doesn't detect Qtgraphicaleffects (which is installed). You know what the weirdest part is? There are 2 "dependencies" for the theme: quickcontrols and graphicaleffects, and luckily, quickcontrols was detected properly. I ended up rewriting the theme, and while it works, it is far from where it needs to be. Safe to say, I'm very annoyed.

Edit: I actually did a clean install, as I tried some other distros a few days before F40 released.

boredsquirrel ,

So those are either random 3rd party problems (please contact the COPR maintainers, there is Discourse integration) or direct Plasma issues :D

I was also a bit hesitant to already upgrade, as I tried Plasma 6 before and it wasnt perfectly stable, but I actually havent had any issues yet.

3rd party stuff of course

  • minimal desktop indicator
  • video lockscreen (ironically had a Qt5 bug with seemless playback that may now be fixed)

Some extensions have alternatives like Thermal Monitor, but upgrading was unintuitive. It needed removing and adding back.

theshatterstone54 ,

I don't use plasma so definitely not plasma issues. I use SDDM on the Sway Edition and then install Hyprland as my Wayland Compositor of choice.

boredsquirrel ,

I think SDDM is mainly maintained by Plasma people? But I dont know.

Zavorra , (edited )

Freecad appimage stopoed working

Luckily the FLATPAK version still runs fine

Edit: I wrote snap but I intended FLATPAK
Edit 2: weekly builds of freecad from GitHub are working fine

vikingtons ,
@vikingtons@lemmy.world avatar

Appreciate the call out for this one, I'll take a look on my side later.

boredsquirrel ,

There is an officially supported Flatpak

I would 100% use that. Snap on Fedora is likely not sandboxed at all, as it relies on Apparmor, and also not really that well maintained as nobody cares.

Zavorra ,

Yes, thanks. I wrote snap but I actually intended flatpak, D'OH!

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

Appimage it flawed to begin

jvh ,

I upgraded from 39 to 40 and I think the only issues I had were:

  • Background I was using got removed, got a better one anyway
  • A few gnome extensions stopped working and I had to update them or find an alternative
  • Had to re-create virtual disk mapped to real disk for booting windows installation in virtual box (there is a sonicwall VPN I have to use for work which only works on Windows)

I think that was it!

I have had some strange behaviour from Firefox saying it's become unresponsive a few times and at the same time Thunderbird but that seems to have fixed itself now

baru ,
  • Background I was using got removed, got a better one anyway

I had that happen a few times. This time I downloaded those backgrounds again (from gnome-backgrounds repository). Still, it's pretty annoying to have this happen.

I upgraded just before the beta. Discovered a mutter crash, reported it, it was fixed in a day or so.

BentiGorlich OP ,
@BentiGorlich@gehirneimer.de avatar

I decided to upgrade, and so far everything is working fine. I had some hiccups after the installation, but a reboot fixed all of them. Thanks for your input :)

SimplyTadpole ,
@SimplyTadpole@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I have had a LOT of issues, but they're mostly of the papercut variety - and most of them have to do with Plasma 6 rather than Fedora 40 itself (at least I think so).

I think my CPU is running hotter on 40 than it was on 39, though.

BentiGorlich OP ,
@BentiGorlich@gehirneimer.de avatar

That doesn't sound promising, though I am using Gnome, so at least my DE is not getting the biggest upgrade :)

kellenoffdagrid ,
@kellenoffdagrid@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Yeah, Gnome 46 has been a really solid, small upgrade in my experience. I swear it's made things smoother and more consistent, plus some of the minor visual tweaks and refinements are welcome. Turns out a lot of what they did is under-the-hood optimizations and improvements to accessibility, so the Gnome desktop update itself has been a small but welcome improvement.

So far I haven't had any issues elsewhere I'm Fedora 40, but maybe that's because I've checked for new updates pretty frequently and done some restarts since the upgrade, that might be keeping things fresh.

boredsquirrel ,

Yeah nearly all Fedora KDE issues are direct upstream Plasma issues. And not too many, tried Plasma 6 on Kinoite Rawhide for a while and reported a lot of them.

You can do the same with COSMIC and help make their release better!

hungover_pilot ,

No issues jumping straight from 37 server edition to 40.

Omega_Jimes ,

I use fedora on my thinkbook with Gnome/PaperWM and my upgrade experience was ezpz.

mke , (edited )

Had a sound issue: output device options only listed "Dummy Output" and nothing was listed for input devices. I eventually got my headset to be recognized again, but sadly couldn't tell you what did it, since I tried so many things and I lack proper understanding of the Linux sound scene.

Just in case it's useful to someone, here's a collection of ideas I found while working through the issue:

  • Make sure wireplumber service is enabled and running OK
  • Plug in an HDMI device and reboot (some people said this permanently fixed a similar issue)
  • Backup, then delete $XDG_STATE_HOME/wireplumber and reboot
  • Check if you have installed the packages:
    • kernel-modules
    • alsa-sof-firmware

Note, however, that I really don't understand what some of these do. You should be very wary of taking suggestions from people who don't know what they're talking about... unless you're desperate enough and want your sound back, perhaps.

...Also, here's a gentle reminder to test your sound device with other equipment and try different ports/adapters, if available. Wasn't my case, but sometimes stuff simply breaks at inopportune times.

jjlinux ,

Absolutely. It broke any leftover intention of ever trying Ubuntu again.

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

I tried Ubuntu recently out of curiously. It was buggy, slow and contained a lot of promotional material. For context, I hadn't used it since a wipe my machine after they forced snap.

jjlinux ,

I think that the last time I used Ubuntu was like 10+ years ago. Too many awesome distros out there to remain on it, and even then, it was already broken.

phanto ,

I had to depmod -a, before then my gaming was messed up.

BentiGorlich OP ,
@BentiGorlich@gehirneimer.de avatar

what does depmod -a do?

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

It fixes your games apparently

phanto ,

Honestly? I found it suggested on that other site.
Something to do with the kernel modules. All I know is that I had no working GPU, ran that, rebooted, and then everything was gold.

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

Audio was a little flaky one time and creating virtual machines with TPM is broken unless you disable selinux

hperrin ,

My upgrade went very smoothly. No issues.

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