Kolanaki ,
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Name a more wasteful use of land

Golf course.

Truth_Hurts ,

It's not like children could use a lawn to play on or anything....

And our Public transit system is totally ready for nobody to have cars.... Our GDP totally won't fall to 10% is what it was before once nobody can go to work.

RaoulDook ,

What, do those plebs not have driveways or garages for their cars? I never have to park on the street, since I just drive up my driveway across my 1/2 acre lawn. It's quite nice having that "wasted" use of land for my kids to play on whenever they want.

conditional_soup ,

Your kids play on your lawn? Mine don't, they much prefer the park, that's why I'm going full tilt into meadowizing my lawn.

It's also worth noting that there's almost no kids on our block, despite it being a pretty new neighborhood, because we're one of a very small handful of younger families that were fortunate enough that they could actually afford to buy a home. Almost everyone else in the neighborhood is older, and their kids have already grown up, because that's largely the demographic that could afford these houses. It makes me sad for my kids a lot, because there's really not much to do outside except look at everyone else's identical homes and kick rocks. We could be doing a lot better than this as a society.

Truth_Hurts ,

Not everyone wants to risk their children getting stolen at a park.

Having a backyard lawn is a safe way to let kids play while adults don't have to supervise.

Front lawns aren't really useful but id absolutely have some form of backyard lawn even if it's AstroTurf once I have a house.

Nemo ,

Decorative open space is important for making cities livable but uh... lawns ain't it.

variants ,

Also nice to have space between your neighbors for privacy and mental health

JDubbleu ,

This doesn't require single family housing on giant lots. Just well built buildings with proper insulation and sound proofing. I used to think apartments were just noisy until my partner and I moved into our current place. I live on the top floor of a 2 building, 6 unit complex of loft apartments cascading down the side of a hill. The buildings had to be built to withstand the extremely strong winds from the bay, and as such they're solid as fuck.

Despite our downstairs being tile floor our neighbors have told us they haven't heard any noise from us at all. My partner and I started being less concerned about noise and began playing somewhat loud music frequently and yell to each other across the unit. Despite this our downstairs neighbors still haven't heard a peep from us. For a while I genuinely thought our neighbors were just trying to be nice as everyone in our complex is super friendly and gets along well.

One day our neighbor in the adjacent building was woodworking in his garage. Normally the noise wouldn't bother me, but I was focused on something so I shut the window facing the courtyard which made me realize just how soundproof this giant concrete building is, both between units and to the outside world. I couldn't hear our neighbors saw unless I opened the curtains and tried to hear it, otherwise it might as well have been very faint background noise. I really wish buildings like this were the norm for apartments because they provide all the privacy of a single family home with all the benefits of apartment buildings.

brbposting ,

That’s great.

Might say almost all the benefits. Or all the benefits that are reasonable given we have to share our planet with others.

Like, it’s too great of a privilege to be able to park an emission-spewing cage in a garage and walk directly into a first floor kitchen to load the fridge with groceries. (Plus stairs are healthy anyway. Not referring to disabled folks or special circumstances of course.) I can’t say it’s not a benefit of a single family home, but easy to argue it’s an unjust enrichment for any one able-bodied person at the expense of others and the environment.

Glad you found such amazing and comparatively equitable housing 😃

Edit: remembered many town homes can offer easy grocery loading with their first-floor kitchens! Then you’re just missing a handful of windows on one or both sides. Big apartments should def be much more of a reasonable option, still, for a given footprint.

grue ,

I mean, if you want to be privileged not to use stairs, once the housing gets dense enough they start putting in elevators...

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