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jpreston2005 , in One Neighborhood’s ‘Bizarre Culture War’ Over Bike Lanes

“The vast majority of the people in the community did not want these bike lanes and do not want the bike lanes,” he said. “They were just put up there against our will.”

Fray said that the lost parking spaces on one side of Oceania Street had a ripple effect. Residents who can no longer park there now compete for the spaces elsewhere in the neighborhood. “Everyone here drives,” he said.

Dumbasses and their wild assumption that everyone is just like them. name a more iconic duo

FireRetardant ,

If the community didn't want them, how did the article manage to find people who use them? Did they drive in from another part of town just to use the bike lane?

Zoot ,
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Do you mean the two residents who were in their healthy prime? Article made it sound like every house on the block was not a fan of this. Likely (given the people they did interview) it is because these are all older folks with no other means to travel.

Fuck old people though right?

FireRetardant , (edited )

Maybe those old people could still use the cycle lane if they had decades of exercising their muscles and joints on a bike instead of sitting in traffic in a car.

The lane also provides mobility for people too young to drive, unable to afford to drive, or those who prefer not to drive.

Fuck teenagers who want to get around without their parents though right? Fuck the kids who can safely bike to school though right? The old people can still drive, they didn't rip out the car lane.

PedestrianError ,
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@FireRetardant @Zoot In fact, narrowing roads and reducing speeding makes it easier for seniors to keep driving as their vision and reaction time decline. Older drivers tend not to feel very comfortable driving on 5 or 6 lane wide stroads.

vividspecter OP ,

Old people shouldn't be on the road in the first place. But many can still ride a bike, just like many people with disabilities can't drive but can ride.

danciestlobster ,

It's worth noting that adding transit here is definitely the best option, as elderly can start to be less safe drivers too for a whole variety of reasons and most states have fairly poor practices for catching that before someone gets hurt. There seems to be an opinion that when you can no longer bike or walk you can always drive which is not the order that often does or should go in.

Sethayy ,

Honestly tho fuck old people, ive heard about 10 million going towards a small extension to a retirement home near me - while homeless tents burn to the ground.

If its them or us, fuck old people

Zoot ,
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Ya know, one day you too will be old. I hope the youth of your time don't have the same reaction as you do.

Very unlikely that the seniors had a choice of where to build said retirement home, and id also be quite surprised if it was purely the old people who caused the homelessness.

It's more likely poor city council planning, poor infrastructure all around, and our collapsing government, but sure... Lets just blame the old people.

Also, not you specifically, but I do love that everyone's first choice was "Fuck old people" and not "Lets make it better for everyone and add public transportation, before actively harming seniors".

Sethayy ,

And I hope the youth of my time even exists.

Honestly if I get to retire I'll consider myself having done well, but let's let these vicious old people tell us off for their final years (ive worked on a couple homes personally)

paholg ,

There are plenty of options for old people to use bike lanes, from regular bikes to electric recumbent trikes.

Zoot ,
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So you're saying that the infrastructure for a senior person is all there? An easily lockable spot for their bike at the bank, market, and anywhere else, an easily attached cart that doesn't need to be lifted for groceries, and bike lanes the entire route?

Again. How about we start with the solution that fits all categories of life: Public transportation. Do that FIRST. Then attack cars for all I care.

Its even stated in the article, and I've said it how many times now: they live in a public transportation desert, and this is hardly even a bandaid fix.

paholg ,

There is no way to get to a place with all those things all at once. Public transit is great. So is biking infrastructure.

A bike lane is not an attack on cars.

Zoot ,
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Then you're still missing my point. They removed something deemed as a necessity by this community, and in place, added something that only a minority can enjoy. Do both. Start with the one that helps the majority.

AA5B ,

The article does say the neighborhood is a transit desert. I guess the bike lanes are a partial fix but only for some people

DarkDarkHouse ,
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Everybody here drives <-> no other transit options

Zoot ,
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So did you finish reading the article then or just black out right there? These are 70 year old residents who can't physically move all that great.

I'm all for adding more bike lanes, but let's not hurt a different group of people in the process. Maybe they should have implemented bus routes and other public transportation before ripping out the roads for cyclists.

"Dumbasses and assumptions" and all that goes both ways.

FireRetardant ,

What road/car lane got removed? All I read was parking was removed.

Zoot ,
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Yes, on street parking was removed. Effectively removing the shoulder for a Bike Lane. It doesn't sound like they offered any solution for the old folks who can't simply bike or walk to the grocery store.

They should have added more public transportation before ripping up the streets.

It even says in the article that they are in a public transportation desert, so this solution is hardly even a bandaid.

FireRetardant ,

Why can't those people park their car on the property they own in the neighborhood instead of the steet?

Free on street parking is not a car lane.

Bertuccio ,

Yeah. The picture definitely shows driveways big enough for a car, where some housing doesn't have that.

Given that I'm pro bike, and very anti-park-your-car-wherethefuckever-when-you-can-park-on-your-own property, I'm for the bike lanes.

A_Random_Idiot ,
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70 year old residents who probably shouldnt even be behind the wheel to begin with.

Once you get a license its comically easy to keep it, regardless of how unable you are to actually drive.

JoshuaFalken ,

Only one side of the street too.

There's an historic section of a nearby town which is popular for tourists. Thousands of people a day just walking around all over the place, going shop to shop and whatnot. The whole place has street parking on both sides, a centre turn lane, and 50km/h signage that gets ignored at every opportunity.

Used to be a tram line ran through the town that connected to the neighbouring cities, but oh no, must make room for the private automobile. Luckily some years ago they started charging for parking, and since Covid-19 a dozen spots were given to restaurants and the like for additional outdoor seating.

Such a shock when it turned out a few parking spaces could generate more revenue for businesses when you put people on them instead of cars.

snooggums , in What if we gave it back to nature?
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"But there will be bugs, and what about my allergies!"

I have a suspicion that a ton of allergies are the result of avoiding nature except where it is a mono culture like lawns and three plant landscaping where the body only adapts to a limited number of irritants and overreacts for others.

CosmicTurtle0 , (edited )

Fun fact: many cities had issues with female fruiting trees because their fruits would rot on the ground, causing bad smells and rodents. So they replaced them with male trees.

Unfortunately for allergy sufferers, this increased pollen counts exponentially. But that's not all. Because these trees can "sense" that they are competing with other male trees, they produce even more pollen than they normally would.

Edit: My information is outdated! It was based on an article that I read back in the early 2000s and it looks like it's been debunked.

FireRetardant ,

Would it have been possible to pay a crew to clean up the fruits?

CosmicTurtle0 ,

In an age where cities are getting less and less tax revenue, replanting new trees that don't fruit is often more cost effective in the long run.

And even if you did hire a crew, they aren't going to get every piece of rotted fruit. Animals, being what they are, will bury or hide them.

volodya_ilich ,

This is only partially true. Not all trees, and not even most trees, have exclusively one gender. There's not that much scientific evidence supporting your claim of a conscious effort to plant certain gendered trees resulting in exponentially higher levels of pollen

CosmicTurtle0 ,

So I had to look this up.

My information was based on an article that I read back in the early 2000s and it looks like it's been debunked.

volodya_ilich ,

Thanks for checking it and the update, that's cool of you

JamesFire ,

That's literally one way allergies form.

https://evidence.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/EVIDoa2300311

Exposure to allergens makes you less likely to be allergic to them.

9point6 , in ‘Stroads’ Aren’t Streets. They Aren’t Roads. And They Don’t Work.

Obligatory: Not Just Bikes on YouTube has a series of videos about the Strong Towns books written by the guy mentioned at the start of the article

Also his other content is pretty interesting if you're into that stuff

businessfish ,
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not just bikes has a lot of great information in his older videos, but his newer videos all seem to be dyed in this deep anger/frustration he feels for cars and car infrastructure.

i can't really pin it down to a single thing or video and maybe it has always been there and i only recently noticed, but lately my main takeaway from his videos is "wow this guy is angry about cars" and less so the points he made.

jerkface ,
@jerkface@lemmy.ca avatar

... aren't you angry??

businessfish ,
@businessfish@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

sure but i don't like watching videos of other people being angry, i'd rather he just delivered the information. and again, maybe i'm imagining the "shift" but after some point relatively recently his stuff felt different to me.

jerkface ,
@jerkface@lemmy.ca avatar

Yeah well, I prefer Tim Burton before he got happy.

AdamEatsAss , in [meme] Solutions to car dependency

The real problem is convincing people there is a problem. I grew up in suburban America and almost everyone got a car when they turned 16. A 15 minute drive was considered not that far away. My bus ride to school was about 45 minutes. I went to college in a large dense city and it opened my eyes to how things could be so much better. Unfortunately most people who live where I grow up would say "you're going to get shot and die" if you get anywhere near a city.

LibertyLizard ,
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While I understand that not everyone is educated on these issues, I grew up in the suburbs and I always knew it was fucked, even if I didn’t know what a better system looked like. I really don’t understand how people can see that and think it’s somehow good.

Gormadt ,
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The level of paranoia that suburbanites have about density is horrendously upsetting and intentional

Trying to tell a suburbanite that crime rates have fallen drastically over time is so damn hard

RGB3x3 ,

Just look at per capita crime rates. US cities are typically less dangerous than suburban areas.

New York City has a per capita crime rate of 6.3 per 100,000.

Huntsville, AL has a crime rate of 387 per 100,000.

And that difference was actually a huge surprise to me when I just looked it up. But the problem is people look at the raw number of crimes committed and think cities are so dangerous. It's actually the opposite.

Malfeasant ,

Does that distinguish between violent crime vs property crime? I always heard that violent crime is a little higher in cities, while property crime is a lot higher in suburbs, but I never bothered to fact check because the (dense city) neighborhood I grew up in only had one stabbing in 20 years, so it seemed safe enough...

Maeve ,

Do they really think suburban and rural areas are different?

Blackmist , in You can fit two cars there

The width of these things as well. You probably couldn't fit that in my driveway without taking the mirrors off. If you somehow managed it, you'd only be getting in and out through the sunroof.

explodicle ,

These guys are always parked in two compact spots and then complain that the spots are too small. And they never get towed.

RememberTheApollo_ ,

Takes up their whole Texas McMansion driveway.

Aux , in You can fit two cars there

Left side: cars are getting bigger in Europe

Right side: MURICAAA!!!11

Asafum ,

Looks like Australia according to the image, but from what I gather that's just America with death spiders anyway lol

KillingTimeItself ,

Australia is not just the US with death spiders.

Aussie land is factorio. America is like a civ game or a city builder.

Itdidnttrickledown , in You can fit two cars there

From the US here. They have uses as work trucks but the majority of these bro-dozers are pristine and have have never hit any water deeper than a pothole in the road.

11111one11111 ,

Everyone I know in the US that owns trucks like what op shared are all work trucks for general contractors or were bought to pull their giant campers. I know the bro-dozer community you're talking about but those trucks are not usually new trucks like op's. This is in rural America tho not the suburbs so maybe it's different in other areas.

BigPotato ,

A neighbor runs his own plumbing company. He's got an early 2000s Dodge and formerly an early 2000s Ford.

His main complaint about modern trucks, after the price, is the bed being too high for him to easily load and unload equipment.

11111one11111 ,

Yeah I'm no mechanic but I think it's from the way their doing the suspension to increase tow load. I can't remember the truck models but it was the largest model vs the 2nd largest model had the exact same engine size and sp3cs but the larger truck had a way larger low weight than the other and I was told it all came down to the differences in the transmission and suspension. I 100% agree tho I have worked jobs that had trucks with beds that were so fuckin stupid high it turned loading/unloading to a 2 part or 2 person task. Once onto the tailgate. Second to move to front of bed when normally we could just give a good toss and load the truck in fraction of the time.

FireRetardant ,

Work vans are the superior work vehicle for the majority of use cases. Lower bed/floor height to make loading easier. Covered rear so your tools/product doesnt get wet or dirty. Able to carry a ton of equipment, taller models you can even stand in and use a workbench in the van. The side of the van is large and flat making it easier to print large letters and numbers to advertise the company. Most modern work vans have better visibility than similarly sized trucks.

KillingTimeItself ,

people keep saying that they have uses as work trucks and i'm not sure i believe them because they made smaller trucks in the 90s and 80s and those trucks were still for work?

I mean i've seen one of these things towing 5 fucking cars. I can't think of the last time i had to load up 5 cars on a shipping trailer and then ship them on my fucking daily driver. Honestly i didn't even think that was possible, but apparently it is, and i have no idea why people own these things as daily drivers now.

to be clear, my issue here is that saying they have uses is underselling the problem. You can hire a semi with a flatbed to ship a bag of sand. But that's fucking stupid.

OldChicoAle ,

Okay but they're not commercial vehicles...

johannesvanderwhales ,

Personally I live in Colorado and most people who drive trucks that size here use them for offroading. Given the gas mileage they're very impractical for day to day.

solarbabies , (edited ) in [article] Montreal becomes largest North American city to eliminate mandatory minimum parking spots
@solarbabies@lemmy.world avatar

Hey, that's my favorite System of a Down lyric!

All research and successful health policies show

That walking should be increased

And law enforcement decreased while abolishing

Mandatory minimum parking spots

I buy my crack, I smack my bitch

Right here in Hollywood

Excrubulent ,
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I just love that the "law enforcement decreased" line didn't change.

It's just always applicable.

drkt , in Austria to ‘Super-Speeders’: We’re Taking Your Car
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Denmark takes your car on the first offense. You're not getting it back. Doesn't matter if it's not your car. Doesn't matter if you're not a citizen.

Kecessa , (edited )

You're not getting it back ever? In my province in Canada it's up to a month but if that happens your license is suspended anyway...

CarbonatedPastaSauce ,

I just looked it up. You're not getting it back ever, they sell it at auction.

You have to be drunk or going double the speed limit for this to happen though.

Kecessa , (edited )

Daaaamn... Reminds me of California (I think) where they would crush modified cars

Edit: cars used in street racing: https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna19339955

Pilon23 ,

They took a Norwegian guy's Lamborghini. He tried to sue as he claimed it breached his human rights. Didn't pan out for him in the end

CarbonatedPastaSauce ,

I'm sure he cries himself to sleep on his cash stuffed mattress. lol

phoenixz ,

Also if the car isn't yours? Well, that makes people be careful with what friends they let drove their cars then I guess

twig ,

That's really interesting.

I see people doubling the limit in school/construction zones or reduced speed residential areas all the time. This would be a massive detterent.

pHr34kY , in Outrage as new Aussie car tax ignores 'dangerous' mega-utes

I hate these things. I'm driving around the suburbs of Melbourne in a 900kg hatchback carrying 3 kids and their schoolbags. I find myself constantly overtaking these things as it's the only means of seeing past them. I'm not even courteous about it anymore.

IsThisAnAI , (edited )

So you drive dangerously because you don't like them over the countless other insane vehicles like minivans. Definitely the sane things to do!

pHr34kY ,

Oh, I am not the danger. I assure you.

IsThisAnAI ,

If you're being an asshole passing or whatever you mean by 'not courteous' then yes you are.

Damage ,

Lol, found the guy with self-esteem issues

IsThisAnAI ,

Lol says the pitchfork crowd who have based their identity hating trucks.

I'm deeply sorry for thinking automatically being an asshole to trucks is childish and pointless.

AndyMFK ,

If you think overtaking is dangerous, perhaps you should have your mega-ute taken away

IsThisAnAI ,

They are the ones implying being antagonizing 🤷‍♂️

Zero issues with passing.

gramie ,

In my experience, it's the large trucks that are speeding and overtaking dangerously, not to mention driving much faster than the conditions would dictate. A rear-wheel drive vehicle with nothing in the back on an icy road is a recipe for disaster, but I see it all the time.

IsThisAnAI ,

I've seen cars mostly driving like assholes. Altimas from hell and all.

Moneo ,

Ok, fuck trucks and everything but this makes no sense. You can't see past them? Why do you need to see past them? Are you tailgaiting?

pHr34kY ,

I don't tailgate, but I want to see what's happening up ahead. Positioning plays a large part in road safety. Maintaining a safe road position requires getting in front of visual obstructions.

I should also be able to go faster. Compared to a Ford Ranger doing 100km/h, I would need to be doing 147km/h in my car to leave the same sized dent in a collision.

Moneo ,

No offense but your arguments are not rational. You don't need to "get in front of visual obstructions" if you're following at a safe distance. Speed is not limited simply because "faster means more damage", it's limited because faster speeds means you have less time to react.

pHr34kY ,

Obstructed view means you have less time to react.

KillingTimeItself , in You can fit two cars there

i will never understand the inability for people driving vehicles like this to say shit like "never buy a small vehicle, this 3 ton truck saved my life, it's basic physics"

Yeah, and if i'm rolling a freight train and someone gets in my way, i won't even notice, it's basic physics.

okamiueru , (edited )

American "I got mine" mentality at its finest. Too much lead poisoning (my leading hypothesis. You don't elect someone like Trump unless there is something seriously wrong) to realise it's a race to the bottom. When enough people do something at the expense of others, what a surprise when others also do it at the expense of you, and it all turns to shit.

It's this absurd country of "Christian" values, except not the part of caring for others, "fuck that socialism hippie shit, except for Russia, which is cool now because they meddle in our elections... Or, they meddle in favour of my team! We need to do something about the socio-economic situation! What, unions? No fuck that Marxist shit you commie!"

Etc. It's all just too dumb. Hence, lead poisoning hypothesis.

Cypher ,

It's from Australia. Care to try again?

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In ,

Australian "I got mine" mentality at its finest. Too much lead poisoning (my leading hypothesis. You don't elect someone like Pauline Hanson unless there is something seriously wrong) to realise it's a race to the bottom. When enough people do something at the expense of others, what a surprise when others also do it at the expense of you, and it all turns to shit.

It's this absurd country of "Christian" values, except not the part of caring for others, "fuck that socialism hippie shit, except for China, which is cool now because they meddle in our elections... Or, they meddle in favour of my team! We need to do something about the socio-economic situation! What, unions? No fuck that Marxist shit you commie!"

octopus_ink ,

It's still an example of the American Christian mentality, even if this example is in Australia. Like Trump supporters are examples of the Nazi mentality even though they aren't actually--ok bad example there.

uis ,
@uis@lemm.ee avatar

"fuck that socialism hippie shit, except for Russia, which is cool now because they meddle in our elections...

Nah, it's because Putin buys yachts

octopus_ink ,

It’s this absurd country of “Christian” values, except not the part of caring for others, “fuck that socialism hippie shit, except for Russia, which is cool now because they meddle in our elections…

Yeah, they don't like that be nice to others, love thy neighbor, turn the other cheek stuff anymore.

And that's not just a quip: An evangelical leader is warning that conservative Christians are now rejecting the teachings of Jesus as "liberal talking points."

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/23df4c8b-0eec-435b-acea-f2a2a28f818a.webp

KillingTimeItself ,

the lead poisoning would only really apply to people 50 and older, i would think, based on my assumed timespans of leaded fuel and continual exposure to it.

uis ,
@uis@lemm.ee avatar

Yeah, and if i'm rolling a freight train and someone gets in my way, i won't even notice, it's basic physics.

And every time you arrive the chime will play.

KillingTimeItself ,

nah here in the US we subscribe to the notion that freighters have bells on them.

Anything else is a crime against trains.

uis ,
@uis@lemm.ee avatar
KillingTimeItself ,

a lot of other countries around the world do have bells on some of their freight lines, but it seems to be primarily US import freighters, though there are domestic manufacturers outside of the US that do use bells. I hear they're relatively common in canada as well? Makes sense frankly.

specifically, this one

BeMoreCareful ,

I wonder which vehicle is legitimately safer. I think crumple zones are a big part of why wrecks are so much more survivable now. I don't think it'd be a simple as most mass wins, but more how the vehicle transfers that to occupants.

I know I got rear ended by one of those beasts and it totalled my car, but didn't seem to bother the tank that hit me. I was shocked at the damage because it didn't really feel that bad. Of course I don't really know anything about vehicle safety so I could real easily be wrong.

Malfeasant ,

the tank that hit me

Not fair to call it a tank. A tank driver can see what's in front of it.

Dinsmore ,

You're right on crumple zones, but also bumper height makes a big difference (i.e. if bumpers are aligned, there's less damage). https://www.motortrend.com/news/collision-costs-iihs-says-car-suv-bumper-heights-can-prove-expensive-9290/

KillingTimeItself ,

the reason why mass matters is because if you have more mass, let's say twice the mass of a sedan for example, you transfer significantly more energy into the smaller vehicle, and the smaller vehicle transfers significantly less energy into the large vehicle.

go find a video of a freight training crashing into a car or something at a crossing. There's a reason freight trains don't have crumple zones.

7eter , in [image] Happy Friday!

I'm a simple cyclist.
I see critical mass, I press like.

phx , in You can fit two cars there

Aside from the lift, there may be use cases for the truck where it requires moving multiple people and smaller heavy loads (or pulling a trailer). However, the sad reality is that the heaviest load it'll likely be moving on a regular basis is the fat ass of the solo passenger in their way to/from fast food and groceries

KillingTimeItself ,

you know it's funny, they made crewcab long beds in the 80s and 90s. They were just long and looked a little goofy, had normal proportions otherwise, these have been vertically stretched and widened to compensate for the absolutely bizarre form factor that they ship in. i genuinely have no idea what they're doing with the front suspension to require the hood to be that high off of the ground. A fucking hummer has more ground clearance with a lower hood.

There is almost no reason for a truck like this to exist, especially when you consider it's interior is "luxury"

Saledovil ,

I live in Germany, and I spotted one of these trucks recently. It looked huge compared to every other vehicle on the road, and one of those was a delivery van. And it was too big for its parking spot. It also had a confederate flag in the back window.

okamiueru ,

It'd be some tasty schadenfreude to put parking fine after parking fine. Or even just straight up impound it. It would surprise me if there isn't some German law or regulation that forbids such cars, same with the Cybertruck.

Want your stupid preference that is a detriment to everyone around you? Sorry, we don't do that here.

VeganCheesecake ,
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Someone in the dorm I lived in had a Ford Ranger. Even though it's one of Ford's smaller pickups, it looked very oversized compared to everything else in the parking garage.

myrrh ,

...the original compact ford ranger was a great little truck!..the midsized replacement forsook its charm, though...

...i'm not even sure who makes compact trucks in australia anymore, but they're not sold stateside...

31337 ,

I live in Germany, ... It also had a confederate flag in the back window.

WTF, I didn't even know that was a thing outside the U.S. Do they claim "it's our heritage not hate?"

KillingTimeItself ,

i think the confederate flag, or a very similar flag often confused for the confederate flag is often related to UK history? Still doesn't explain why it's in germany, but it makes more sense, at least.

Saledovil ,

I didn't get to talk to the owner.

KillingTimeItself ,

yeah that sounds about right, it's basically the extent of most of these things.

feedum_sneedson ,

It's like baggy jeans.

KillingTimeItself ,

yeah pretty much. And much like jeans, they just suck.

31337 ,

Some of it has to do with CAFE standards using vehicle footprint to determine the target MPG. Some of it is because of better safety standards. Some of it is just because that's what a certain portion of the market wants, and the profit margins on the large vehicles are higher, so they spend more money marketing them (creating more demand).

KillingTimeItself ,

Some of it has to do with CAFE standards using vehicle footprint to determine the target MPG.

gotta love when the funny regulations do the opposite of what you expect them to do.

31337 ,

Yeah, a lot of the regulations are written by the industries they're supposed to regulate.

KillingTimeItself ,

if you actually look into what the insurance industries do for crash safety testing it's actually kind of fucked up.

Because they basically started with full frontal impacts at n speed, that was met, so a decade later they were like "half frontal impacts are a thing now" and turns out most cars performed pretty bad on that, so they fixed that, and like a decade later again, they were fine, and then they were like "oh no, now quarter impact frontal is bad now" and then that's what they've recently fixed.

So most of car safety seems to be for pretty specific, though i suppose "more likely" impacts.

match ,
@match@pawb.social avatar

sounds like a great case for a permit

uis ,
@uis@lemm.ee avatar

(or pulling a trailer).

You don't need truck for this

Madison420 ,

And these huge trucks don't actually have that high of a load rating or that large of a bed. Your average kei truck hauls heavier loads.

31337 ,

That's not true. Kei trucks have comparably low load and towing capacity. They have the same bed dimensions of the most common pickup truck bed size. Most people with trucks don't hail around stone or heavy machinery though.

Madison420 ,

What a vehicle carries on average is unrelated to its actual capacity. Regardless my point is you see a kei truck you'll almost certainly see the bed packed full, you see a Sierra 2500 chances are it's need is totally empty aside from oftentimes boots and beer cans.

waigl , in [image] "The right to access every building in a city by private motorcar in an age when everyone possesses such a vehicle is actually the right to destroy the city."

I mean, that is exactly what has happened…

RustyNova , in You can fit two cars there

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