Dear server admins, please defederate threads.net. Dear users, ask your server admin to defederate threads.net. ( mstdn.social )

Meta just announced that they are trying to integrate Threads with ActivityPub (Mastodon, Lemmy, etc.). We need to defederate them if we want to avoid them pushing their crap into fediverse.

If you're a server admin, please defederate Meta's domain "threads.net"

If you don't run your own server, please ask your server admin to defederate "threads.net".

lemmesay ,
@lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

please take a look at the replies under zuck's own post in threads.net and determine if that's the type of content you want.

for those who don't want to visit, majority of the commentators are bots. some advertising crypto, and others asking for money.

even if you think you can individually block those accounts, keep in mind the size of threads compared to fediverse.
for Lemmy: monthly active users are barely 150K40K, while for threads it's 100 million. there's no chance you can control that inflow of bots.

and if it still doesn't convince you, you can read threads' privacy policy, which states that they'll gather all that pii if you interact with their content.

most of the internet is already bigtech, I don't want Lemmy to become another arm of it. though I have faith in my instance maintainer and dessalines, the dev.

ShitOnABrick ,
@ShitOnABrick@lemmy.world avatar

I don't really have much faith in the developers myself. Considering all the shenanigans they get upto.

lemmesay ,
@lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

I do however have real faith in the main developer of lemmy, considering his ideology, which is incompatible with bigtech values.

you can even see it from his own profile.

ShitOnABrick , (edited )
@ShitOnABrick@lemmy.world avatar

His ideology is why I don't have any faith in him. Hes authotarian left wing. Generally I find tankies not to be the nicest of people and tend to ignore alot of historical facts. Like the Khmer Rouge! I wonder what happened in Cambodia at some point in history 🤔🤔🤔 The way they operated there modus operandi is almost like a certain other points in history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge?wprov=sfla1

Aux ,

Defederation is cancer and it will kill Fediverse faster than any Meta.

FMEEE ,

Exactly cuz threads will lure a lot of people in the fediverse after the fediverse gets even more accessible and for all means more recognition than we can think about defederating threads.

SharkEatingBreakfast ,
@SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz avatar

Comment stolen from user "copygirl" from blahaj.zone:

Looks like they'll be harvesting your data if you follow anyone from Threads, maybe even injecting ads. Unsure what happens to the data of people that get followed by a Threads user. A large part of the fediverse is here precisely because they want to escape corporate meddling, data-hoarding, advertising and other anti-user malpractices. There's a number of people talking about this, here's a recent post that highlights some of the things from their TOS.

aldalire ,

Yeah dude let’s just federate with an instance maintained by a corporation that has undoubtedly caused a genocide in Myanmar by turning a blind eye to a far-right hate speech group that caused an entire fucking minority to flee into another country.

I don’t get why people are supporting and saying “oh it must be up to the user” like bro this is the company we’re dealing with. Fuck that fuck threads fuck zuckerberg i don’t want his shit cancer near something that’s going well so far.

guriinii ,

Israel have been successfully pressuring meta to remove and shadow ban accounts sympathetic to Palestinians. The level of censorship is crazy.

raoulraoul ,
@raoulraoul@lemmy.world avatar

OK, I'll bite. You got something more substantial than "I read it on the internet" to back that up? One reputable source on your accusation? Not sayin' you're lying/wrong, just asking for some verifiable proof.

SulaymanF ,

Numerous actual popular accounts and news sources have been suspended. It was major news in the Arabic-speaking world in October. Meta even apologized for auto-translating Palestinian as “terrorist.”

Klear ,

Hate to say it but that's a fail on producing a reliable source.

SulaymanF ,

Did you want specific accounts?

Palestinian Shebab News Agency has facebook pages shut down

@Eye.on.palestine on IG suspended by Meta, then back up after a backlash.

#IStandWithPalestine and #FreePalestine getting censored by Facebook

Klear ,

Thanks, that's much better.

ttmrichter ,
@ttmrichter@lemmy.world avatar

You know, you have access to search engines too. You don't need to be lazy and treat the rest of the Internet as your personal stenographer/research assistant.

Fucking HELL, despite how increasingly easy it is to find information, it cannot keep pace with just how utterly fucking lazy people are getting.

Klear ,

Fuck off. You were asked for reliable sources - a very reasonable request these days, and you replied with none. I was right to call you out on that.

Burstar ,
@Burstar@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

No, just no. If you want strangers to take what you say seriously then you should show the simplest respect by supporting your claims with the reason(s) you have them. Laziness is flapping your mouth off and expecting to not have to back it up.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Please explain how federating with Threads is "supporting Meta" and not the opposite.

aldalire ,

I’m not sure if federating will help meta so much as it will definitely (most probably) hurt the lemmy/mastodon network.

Here’s a similar case that happened before, with the XMPP protocol being coopted by google but eventually killing it in favor of their own proprietary solution:

https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html

Big tech isn’t on our side, and we have to handle outside corporate influence with heavy skepticism.

ponik ,

Excuse me sir, i cant be more agree with you

aldalire ,

me too ^_^

capital ,

Let users decide because we’re fucking adults.

otter ,
@otter@lemmy.ca avatar

Great thing about the fediverse

People get to decide what they want from their platform

DogMuffins ,

Surely you're aware of the embrace, extend, extinguish corporate strategy.

People only get to decide what they want from their platform until facebook starts extending the spec. Then your client will become incompatible with some posts, and so on and so forth.

In summary, it's a threat to the platform itself.

aldalire ,

Yeah dude let’s just federate with an instance maintained by a corporation that has undoubtedly caused a genocide in Myanmar by turning a blind eye to a far-right hate speech group that caused an entire fucking minority to flee into another country.

I don’t get why people are supporting and saying “oh it must be up to the user” like bro this is the company we’re dealing with. Fuck that fuck threads fuck zuckerberg i don’t want his shit cancer near something that’s going well so far.

LemmyIsFantastic ,

Imagine thinking Myanmar is facebooks fault. Wow.

aldalire ,

Read up rookie

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-facebooks-systems-promoted-violence-against-rohingya-meta-owes-reparations-new-report/

https://archive.is/6rZ77

https://thediplomat.com/2020/08/how-facebook-is-complicit-in-myanmars-attacks-on-minorities/

I don’t know what version of reality you live in but i hope these articles are illuminating

LemmyIsFantastic ,

🙄 I guess the years of violence well before hand we their fault too. Imagine trying to tie years off violence and genocide to Facebook.

It'll always be Burna to me.

otter ,
@otter@lemmy.ca avatar

That one is actually public record, with

  • Facebook using their influence to set up in the country in a way that made it the dominant form of internet access for the country, enough that a large number of people considered Facebook=internet

  • Facebook getting multiple reputable warnings about what was happening on the platform, what their advertising policies and algorithms were encouraging, and they chose to not act on them and instead continued to profit from it

  • They finally did act after a whole lot of harm was done

xantoxis ,

Then go join threads.net? Nobody's stopping you from doing that. That would put you on a server friendly to your beliefs.

Server admins also have opinions, and are not required to take a democratic vote and each individual user's choice into account. They can decide for themselves, and they will, for good or ill. If you don't like where it ends up, your user decision should be to fuck off to threads.

otter ,
@otter@lemmy.ca avatar

I don't think that's what they're saying.

They're saying that some users and admins might choose to wait and see

ttmrichter ,
@ttmrichter@lemmy.world avatar

"Yes, Jeffrey has, in the past, killed and eaten gay men. But we should wait and see. It's impolite not to invite him to the party!"

otter ,
@otter@lemmy.ca avatar

I don't want to use their platform, but I get why some people might choose to stay federated so that there is incentive to pull people to mastodon and educate people about the issues

There's enough nuance there that I'm not dead set on either side, and I think we still have the chance to defederate later if there's an increase in spam and harmful content / disinformation.

ttmrichter ,
@ttmrichter@lemmy.world avatar

"Jeffrey doesn't always eat people. Just sometimes. We should totally go clubbing with him and spurn him later if he eats one of us."

xigoi ,
@xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I don’t want to join a proprietary service, but I want to be able to communicate with people who chose to join it.

xantoxis ,

Facebook accounts are free, that's all ya need man

xigoi ,
@xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

They are not free because they deprive you of your privacy.

net00 ,

This is a bigger issue to leave it to users imo. Like lemm.ee admin said a few months ago, threads is too fucking big.

Anything they push on the fediverse will be what users see in All. Plus, popular stuff on threads is determined through Facebook's algorithm, and it will also determine the fediverse recommendations by consequence.

The above is solvable if you block them I guess, but by default it will completely ruin everything.

However, lemmy 0.19 block feature doesn't work on users of an instance, only posts hosted in an instance. Add to this that Facebook is a cancerous company making all its money from ads. Expect their bots to comment and make posts pushing ads on all instances.

All of this will also mean high workload on mods to regulate the content. Threads doesn't bring anything good here, and defederation is probably the only way to protect us.

capital ,

The above is solvable if you block them I guess, but by default it will completely ruin everything.

Yes. One minute of a user’s time and all that’s gone.

Compare that with having to move instances due to admins blocking at the instance level.

Jackthelad ,

This is why I don't understand all the hysteria about this.

If I don't want to see Threads or I don't want Threads to see me, I can go to a Threads account and click "block threads.net".

But obviously that's too complicated and it's easier to just whinge to your instance admin about how Threads federation will be the death of us all. 🙄

DogMuffins ,

If there was a bot that just flooded All with far right talking points, do you think admins ought to block that or leave it to the users?

What if it was far right mixed in with cat memes?

What if it started more slowly like a few posts an hour and then ramped up over 6 months to be 1000s of posts per hour?

xigoi ,
@xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Leave it to users. Let people decide what they want to see.

asuka ,
@asuka@sh.itjust.works avatar

This. Imagine begging daddy admin to protect you from mean Meta.

LinyosT ,

Imagine zucking on Marks schlong.

ttmrichter ,
@ttmrichter@lemmy.world avatar

You understand that no matter how much you kneel down to service Meta, Zuck the Fuck won't be trickling anything down on you that isn't a bodily fluid, right?

And hey, I'm not going to kink-shame. Just pointing out that if that isn't your specific kink, you might want to wake up to there being zero dollars trickling down to you.

asuka ,
@asuka@sh.itjust.works avatar

What a meaningless, worthless comment. Letting Threads federate with the rest of the Fediverse doesn't give Zuckerberg power over us (unless you'd care to explain how it does) - rather, it just gives its users and our users the ability to interacted. Why are you so interested in building walls?

ttmrichter ,
@ttmrichter@lemmy.world avatar

I swear, I'm seeing the western equivalent of wumaos servicing Meta here. Only at least the wumaos got paid; it made sense. These idiots are doing the labour for free!

pineapplelover ,

lemm.ee already made the decision, based off of the voice of the community to defederate from Threads

Jack ,

Lemmy.Ca admins blocked Threads about 5 months ago: https://lemmy.ca/comment/901551

You can confirm that Threads dot net is still blocked by Lemmy.Ca by going to https://lemmy.ca/instances and clicking on the "Blocked Instances" tab.

LinkOpensChest_wav ,

Thanks, I actually forgot that one can check!

lemmy.dbzer0.com also blocked Threads

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

Yeah, close that protocol! Build the walls around our garden higher! No need to wait for them to actually do something worth defederating over, we just don't like them!

This is silly. A major social media network is trying to join the Fediverse and everyone's keen on stopping it. If Meta does something dirty or damaging, sure, defederate them then. But I was kind of hoping that open protocols would flourish, not just end up as another bunch of balkanized forums and Reddit-likes.

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