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FatLegTed , in Momo is finally starting to cuddle up to us 2 years after we adopted her
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Sometimes it takes a while. It took nearly 2 years before Daisy would sit on my lap - but only if I have her special blue blanket on my lap first!
https://feddit.uk/pictrs/image/dae6e514-77b8-41c1-b6a8-a35b445d0b06.jpeg

Retrograde OP , in ..cursor patrol
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ToucheGoodSir , in Famous kitty succeeded in banning declawing in Denver

Cats not having claws... They're defenseless animals without them :/ would you rather they bite you with their kitty germ mouths or claw you when they're telling you to fuck off

ToucheGoodSir ,

That's cruel and if you die of sepsis well that's on you

Ego , in Violence is flooding the sheets

Bro! I am at work! I can't be seeing this NSFW ultra-violence! Why would you uncensor it and repost it like this?!?!

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot , in Famous kitty succeeded in banning declawing in Denver

Ah, so the lawyer really was a cat all along!

captain_aggravated , in And I thought having a bathroom supervisor was bad
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Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.

EvilEyedPanda , in And I thought having a bathroom supervisor was bad

How many tickles does it take to get to the orgasam of a butthole...?

orphiebaby , in Famous kitty succeeded in banning declawing in Denver

Hell yeah, please ban declawing. It's inhumane. And no, I'm not a nut or even a vegetarian (and nothing wrong with vegetarians), I'm just sane.

iiGxC ,

Being vegan is the "just sane" response to learning what we do to animals and the impact animal agriculture has on the environment 🤷

KairuByte ,
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What do you feed cats?

Aux ,

Vegans.

iiGxC ,

https://petfoodshop.com/

https://www.benevo.com/

idk if they link to the studies on vegan pets but they tend to have equivalent or better health results, although more studies are needed

Edit: here's a review https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9860667/

KairuByte ,
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Yeah, so something you should know about vegan cat food, is that none of them properly fulfill all the cats needs. They can claim it, and they can potentially even keep a cat alive and mostly nutritionally balanced, but it varies from cat to cat, and food to food.

And honestly, they are obligate carnivores. Just because you might be able to safely feed certain cats vegan foods, doesn’t mean that they should be.

And no, cats that eat vegan are absolutely not going to have equivalent or better health results. You’re literally feeding them things they weren’t designed to eat.

iiGxC ,

I don't have time to look up the studies that have been done on it, but you're just not correct. In the studies I've seen they tend to have equivalent or better health outcomes. If you find research that says otherwise I'm open to reading it, but just your intuition that feeding them things they wouldn't eat in the wild means they can't be healthy doesn't cut it for me

KairuByte ,
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The studies you’re talking about were small, and typically self reported by the pet owners. If they were a human study they wouldn’t be enough to go off of.

Best research paper out there is actually looking at the studies in question, and isn’t specifically for cats but pets in general: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9860667/

And it explicitly states that much of the data was gathered through survey, not a controlled study.

Imagine if we decided that ice cream for breakfast was healthy because we sent out a bunch of surveys and people said they saw health benefits.

iiGxC ,

"However, there is little evidence of adverse effects arising in dogs and cats on vegan diets. In addition, some of the evidence on adverse health impacts is contradicted in other studies. Additionally, there is some evidence of benefits, particularly arising from guardians’ perceptions of the diets. Given the lack of large population-based studies, a cautious approach is recommended. If guardians wish to implement a vegan diet, it is recommended that commercial foods are used."

Thanks for linking the review! Of course more and better research is needed, but a cautious approach like they recommend makes sense to me. If you feed a cat a vegan diet, you need to monitor their urine for crystals (there are special litters that do this, or stuff you can put on their regular litter), and you should know you can't switch them overnight. But it is possible for cats to be healthy and happy on a vegan diet.

Your intuition that vegan cat food is as healthy for cats as ice cream sandwiches are to humans is not enough, and when you look at the nutrition content it doesn't even make sense. An ice cream sandwich with all the necessary micro- and macro- nutrients a human needs to thrive would be a better comparison, and guess what, a nutritionally complete ice cream sandwich would be fine! I've gone for long stretches where I eat nothing but meal replacement shakes like plenny and huel because I'm lazy, and it's fine. You can find at least one person on reddit who's done it very strictly for years with no problems.

if you're going to fight this battle, you also need to fight it against non-vegan cat kibbles, many of which are worse for cats (i.e. less nutritionally complete) than vegan kibbles like benevo or evolution

JudahBenHur , in good boy

he looks like a nice gentleman

HootinNHollerin , in Hungy baby

Art

Lexam , in "No one ever wants to play with a Charlie in the box"

I love the discarded feel awa! 🤣

Glemek , in I'm a sparkle goth

All this post is missing is a "this post made by metalhead gang" watermark

PunnyName , in And I thought having a bathroom supervisor was bad

...three.
Before you are permitted to pee.

MajorHavoc , in I'm a sparkle goth

Which is "spills on self frequently enough to have learned to avoid light colors"...?

Jimbo , in It's my body my choice, and I choose to get high as hell.
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Fuck, if only it was my body my choice. Not even allowed to buy cigarettes in New Zealand soon, if you're born after a certain time.

But weed will be legalized at some point (we were so fucking close last time I'm still mad), feels like that whole "smokefree" marketing will fall flat.

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