villasv ,

I forced myself to watch this garbage because I think it's important to know the talking points of the opposition. I've gathered the worst moments - spoiler, it's the whole video.

That dream has faded

The Canadian dream has become a nightmare

This dream has become a fantasy

It is nearly impossible to buy a home in Canada

Who wants to spend 2 million dollars on a home like this? When you can get a mansion in Austin for the same amount?

Each application for an apartment is met with hundreds of competing applications

Rents continue to rise uncontrollably and will do so for years to come

All of this is compounded by the inability of the government to help

Many would argue [dumb shit]

Citizens who owns homes are often against development as it would lower the value of the properties

A part of the reason taxes and red tape continues to increase is the government is growing faster than the population.

The final nail for housing affordability? Foreign investment.

Money laundering is just as easy as ever

Canadians spend more on gas than any other G7 country [ and the whole section on carbon tax is so disingenuous ]

In most contries, such a deal would most likely be stopped or delayed

To startup a bank is nearly impossible in Canada

The US has low levels of market concentration [lmao]

7% of Canadians go out of the border

The US is much more dynamic

The way the video ends on a hopeful note for Poilievre winning, this is obviously propaganda.

Kichae ,

Ah, so it's "things have gotten worse (unstated: because government has abandoned social responsibility), so I hope the guy who explicitly shits on the government having any social responsibility wins"

villasv , (edited )

unstated: because government has abandoned social responsibility

Oh that is very much stated

so I hope the guy who explicitly shits on the government having any social responsibility wins

100% that's the tone of the video, cognitive dissonance to the max. It's amazing how immediately following the talking point about red tape and government intervention causing high prices on everything, they pivot to the case that the government should have stopped Rogers and Shaw merger.

anachronist ,

Interesting how most of the points about how "nobody wants to live here" boil down to the housing crisis.

It's a bit like that old joke about the trendy restaurant: "Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded!"

villasv , (edited )

Lmao yes, and the rest of the video is "big corporations and foreign investors are screwing us over", then hints at electing the party most likely to cater to the wishes of those with big pockets.

lobut ,

Urgh, it makes me wonder why people do videos like this and think that Poilievre is going to be able to "fix" all this.

Then again, yeah, if it's propaganda it's just about sowing doubt.

villasv ,

why people do videos like this and think that Poilievre is going to be able to “fix” all this.

Poilievre doesn't have to come with solutions. If you look at the wave of right-wing election winners across the globe since the 10's, the one thing in common is that they tune the voters into "things can't keep going on this direction!" mode, and by presenting themselves as the ones bringing change, they funnel all the misguided fears and hopes.

In fact, I was surprised this video even got to explicitly advocate for the "smaller government" bullshit, because that's veering into solutionizing a bit. But then again, it's the oldest conservative talking point after trampling minorities so the audience will eat it like hot cake.

if it’s propaganda it’s just about sowing doubt.

100%, the whole video screams anti-Trudeau propaganda

tiredofsametab ,

Wife: cold/snow and to a lesser degree, level of English (she has no French) and requiring a car/license in a lot of places.
Me: cold but also housing prices, and watching various Canadian systems trying at various levels to imitate shitty American ones.

MapleEngineer ,
@MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca avatar

Anti-Canadian propaganda.

Kalcifer ,
@Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works avatar

Out of curiosity, what content in the video do you specifically disagree with?

villasv , (edited )

The title is a good starting point lol

Kalcifer ,
@Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works avatar

The title is certainly classic clickbait — disingenuous and sensationalist. It also doesn't really match the content of the video, imo.

villasv ,

I think it does match the content because the whole video is disingenuous and sensationalist.

lautan OP ,

I don't like the title but I thought it made some decent points for discussion.

MapleEngineer , (edited )
@MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca avatar

It was 7 minutes of pissing and moaning and ignored the reality that things have gotten worse everywhere. A friend from Florida complained in a chat last night that her weekly groceries have gone from USD$100 to USD$180. Despite the problems Canada is still one of the top five best places in the world to live and having travelled to many places around the world I can tell you that I would never consider living anywhere else.

TH1NKTHRICE ,

I see no citations in the video description and I’m not too interested in listening to their argument if they can’t provide those citations up front. The only measure they seem to be appealing to in order to support their claim that “no one wants to live in Canada” is that Canada has lowered in happiness index. But, by that measure Canada is 15th in the world and USA is 23rd. So, if that’s the main reason to think people don’t want to live in Canada, then people really don’t want to live in the USA. On its face, that strikes me as exceptionally untrue.

Kalcifer ,
@Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works avatar

I see no citations in the video description and I’m not too interested in listening to their argument if they can’t provide those citations up front.

Yeah, I agree that this is annoying, but, to be fair to the video, there are citiations within the video itself in the bottom right corner. I have no proof if they are provided for every claim, however.

The only measure they seem to be appealing to in order to support their claim that “no one wants to live in Canada” is that Canada has lowered in happiness index.

Aha, I would be very hesitant to justify clickbait, but, that being said, did the creator refer to that thesis within the video itself (I'm not disagreeing with you, necessarily — I could simply have missed something in the video)? One other claim that may be in line with that thesis is at 12:38 when they mention that, each year, Canada loses 0.7% (in the video, they misquote this figure as 7%, but, to be fair, the document that they were citing wrote the value as ".7%" which, arguably, could be easily misread) of its population to brain drain.

TH1NKTHRICE ,

Now I’m even less likely to watch the video. Panned over to 12:38. That is a pretty egregious error. Either they are incompetent and their opinions aren’t too valuable, or intentionally trying to mislead the now over 1.4million people who have watched that video. This seems like they tried to cherry pick a stat that bodes in favour of their argument and biffed it. Lots of people are still immigrating to Canada, so definitely far more than “no one” wants to live in Canada. https://www.statista.com/topics/2917/immigration-in-canada/

BlameThePeacock ,

I live in Canada, and I want to live in Canada.

Therefore the title is clearly wrong.

pbjamm ,
@pbjamm@beehaw.org avatar

I live in Canada by choice and think it was a good one for my family. This clown can take a shit in his hat.

isVeryLoud ,
@isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca avatar

You're no one, and so am I

danielquinn ,
@danielquinn@lemmy.ca avatar

What the fuck is with this immigrant blaming? We're supposed to be better than this.

Bo7a ,

We are.

This idiot, however...

Kalcifer ,
@Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works avatar

I would argue that it's due to people not making the distinction between the government policies that attract immigrants, and the immigrants themselves. The immigrants are simply pawns in the greater game, and they are therefore used as a scapegoat to detract from the government's own failings.

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

Housing prices are through the roof but nobody wants to live here?

Did Justin Trudeau just take them all hostage or something?

delirious_owl ,
@delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

How many homes are empty?

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

Are you suggesting the reason house prices are high is because they are all empty and no one is selling them for the high prices?

nyan ,

There are certainly overpriced vacant homes in the more expensive metropolitan areas (coughcondoscoughTorontocough), but I doubt there are enough of them to make a visible dent in the housing issue.

Kalcifer ,
@Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works avatar

Empty houses in the Metro Vancouver area have certinaly been an issue [source]. The B.C. Speculation and Vacancy Tax was implemented to discourage this behaviour [source]. Theoretically, it should also capture the negative impact that vacant housing has on society and the economy.

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

Has implementing the speculation tax lowered house prices in B.C.?

Kalcifer ,
@Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works avatar

I would guess that it is extremely difficult to quantify how much of an effect the tax has had on the housing market. Anything beyond a guess, however, would be outside of my qualifications — I would defer to those who have looked into this more appropriately. After a very quick, and cursory websearch, I found a paper that stated the following:

From the empirical analysis of overall market, we cannot detect the significant
effect of Speculation and Vacancy Tax on the price of housing property in Vancouver after
the implementation. Only the parameters of GDP of real estate growth and unemployment
rate are reexamined to be statistically significant. We could observe the decrease of housing
price in Vancouver from the price chart after the tax policy entered into force. The decrease
is also reflected by the negative coefficient of City*Time although it is not significant. [...] Focusing on a specific region’s housing price, we still cannot detect that British Columbia’s Speculation and Vacancy Tax has significantly impact on the housing price of
Vancouver West compared to Toronto Central. All the other factors mentioned by other
researches are not statistically significant neither. [source (archive)]

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

So what were we talking about before you started trying to derail this conversation with endless questions?

Kalcifer ,
@Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works avatar

So what were we talking about before you started trying to derail this conversation with endless questions?

Is that rhetorical? I don't understand the purpose of your seemingly condescending question.

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

Why do you constantly ask questions without adding anything to the conversation?

Kalcifer ,
@Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works avatar

Why do you constantly ask questions without adding anything to the conversation?

That's a loaded question; I disagree with the premise — I feel that I have provided useful information and context. You, however, have not provided anything but seemingly non-constructive and condescending content for your past 3 comments [1][2][3] in this thread.

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

What premise do you disagree with?

None of these replies are meant to be condescending, you’re correct when you say tone is hard to read through text.

Kalcifer ,
@Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works avatar

Is empty housing a prevelant problem across Canada? I was under the impression that it was really only a problem in Metro Vancouver. Furthermore, B.C. has a vacancy tax [source], which should capture the negative societal and economic impact generated by empty housing .

delirious_owl ,
@delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

People, don't downvote someone for asking a valid question

Son_of_dad , (edited )

You think I can just move country and it wouldn't cost anything? I'm Canadian and this country is a disgrace. If I could leave I would.
Edit: I'm native and saying I'd leave if I could. Instead of downvoting, reflect on how bad you colonized and fucked up my continent

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

Why do you think this country is a disgrace?

Son_of_dad ,

Cause I'm of native background and was raised being told about the greatness, acceptance and generosity of Canada. Then I grew up and found out about native genocides, Confederate Amnesty, residential schools, John a MacDonald. I grew up into a Canada where food prices are through the roof because we're being robbed and our governments don't care. Higher education is unaffordable to anyone without wealthy parents, housing is pathetic, wages are a joke. Our premieres don't care and push the buck to the feds, and the feds are off in another hemisphere giving away money and worrying about citizens of every nation but the one they've been elected to govern. Canadians are drowning and our elected officials can't be bothered to even pretend they give a fuck.

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

It seems most the problems you’re talking about are global problems though.

Where do you think you’ll have a better quality of life?

Son_of_dad ,

You're being fooled by the government's normalization of hopelessness.

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

No, I spend a lot of time travelling and I see the problems you are talking about aren't limited just to Canada.

Kalcifer ,
@Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works avatar

It seems most the problems you’re talking about are global problems though.

Which problems that they mentioned do you think are global, and why?

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

The original comment that I responded to was about inflation, food costs and housing costs.

Those are all global problems.

I’m not getting into what they changed their comment to because I don’t know enough about it.

Kalcifer ,
@Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works avatar

The original comment that I responded to was about inflation, food costs and housing costs.

Those are all global problems.

How would you argue that they are global problems? (please don't interperet that as condescending, or accusatory — I am simply curious. It is hard to convey emotion through text)

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

How would you argue inflation, food costs and housing costs aren’t a global problem.

Kalcifer ,
@Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works avatar

I think I may have misinterpereted your argument. When you said

It seems most the problems you’re talking about are global problems though.

Where do you think you’ll have a better quality of life? [source]

were you arguing that most countries have the same problems as Canada, so to immigrate elswhere would be futile? I was under the presumption that you were arguing that Canada can't do anything to fix it's issues, and that it would instead require some global collaborative effort.

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

Oh look more questions.

Kalcifer ,
@Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works avatar

food prices are through the roof because we’re being robbed

Would you mind clarifying what you mean by this?

Higher education is unaffordable to anyone without wealthy parents

Based on what are you making this claim? The Canadian Government and the provincial governments provide loans and financial support to students, which should be able to cover all expenses for an average post secondary institution [source] [source]. Furthermore, the Canadian government provides extra support for Indigenous Peoples [source].

Son_of_dad ,

You don't get it do you. When I was college age, I could pay for my entire education with $15k. Which I thought was a lot. My child will have to take out loans for like x10 that amount and it will destroy her future before it even begins.

Kalcifer ,
@Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works avatar

My child will have to take out loans for like x10 that amount and it will destroy her future before it even begins.

It depends on where one goes — not all post secondary institutions charge the same amounts. Generally, the fancier/more reputable schools will charge the most. It is quite possible to complete undergrad in Canada for <30k CAD (not including living and transportation expenses). Also, keep in mind that inflation is innevitable — the Government of Canada targets an inflation rate of 2% per year [source].

mojofrododojo ,

hey if you hate it, beat feet and make room for someone who's life is threatened and needs to get away from an authoritarian hellscape by seeking asylum in canada. it's a two-fer, you get out of the place you hate and someone else gets to live someplace they won't be hunted.

Son_of_dad ,

Did you just tell a native person to leave the country if it doesn't like your colonial bullshit?

I mean I'll go back to where me and my people came from. Walks two steps.
Now you.

mojofrododojo ,

One, not canadian.

two, not telling you to go HOME, you're telling me your home is becoming untenable, I'm advising you leave an untenable situation.

this isn't colonialism. I didn't make the choices that hurt you. I don't have a vote there. Haven't visited since 1987 ffs lol.

I like how you interpreted what I stated as colonialism when actually I'm pointing out that canada's better for most folk than 98% of the other authoritarian hellscapes. As a native, Canada is doing you wrong. But it's not better elsewhere, and in many places, it's much, much worse, for example, the US.

Y'all are doing hellscapes on easy mode. Get some real republican melanin hating conservatives who take women's reproductive rights away, threaten civil war with their arsenals, and try to overthrow your elected officials, then we can talk shop.

Good luck.

Kalcifer ,
@Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works avatar

reflect on how bad you colonized and fucked up my continent

By "my continent", I presume that you are referring to the idea that the indigenous peoples were the first ones to arrive in North America, and, by extension, you apply the first possession principle? Also, for clarity, what exactly does "my continent" refer to, in terms of lands?

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