Autism

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Saltblue , in Society loves autistic coded characters more than they love actual people with autism

Flash news people like fiction not as a representation of reality but as a stylized, idealized versión of it, that's why you see beautiful people, not fat, ugly or old. So it's autistic quirky and not every day autistic.

I'm aware it's an impopular opinion but that doesn't make it less true. And you can gauge it by how popular it is.

rottingleaf ,

that’s why you see beautiful people, not fat, ugly or old

I frankly don't usually agree with Hollywood ideas of "beautiful". Which is also the reason I'm watching mainstream movies (and I'm not a cinema enthusiast, so mainstream is all I watch) less and less - those ideas are becoming even more narrow and specific over time. I'm feeling as if some subculture's or even some little group's idea of "cool" is being shoved down my throat, in appearances and writing and cinematographic language even.

In my personal opinion people I know are in average more beautiful than Hollywood faces active now.

Saltblue ,

I frankly don't usually agree with Hollywood

I said fiction, not Hollywood. And yes you can have your own preferences, I'm not saying that you can't, just that what we call mainstream is the representation of objective beauty.

those ideas are becoming even more narrow and specific over time

Depending on who you ask, somebody would tell you it's the contrary.

rottingleaf ,

just that what we call mainstream is the representation of objective beauty

Beauty can be only subjective by definition.

Saltblue ,

Nope, facial and body symmetry can determine if someone is considered universally beautiful.

And it's not limited to humans, animals and plants can be considered universally beautiful.

The sea and the starry sky, a sunset, the moon etc, if it moves emotion within you then it's beautiful, and there are things that move the world entirely.

rottingleaf ,

Nope, facial and body symmetry can determine if someone is considered universally beautiful.

Facial and body symmetry is ugly or at least scary. You've just never seen people with that.

Other than that - beauty is by definition your own opinion on whether something looks good or bad. If there's a single person in the world who disagrees - then it's not universal. If there is none, but there may be the next moment - then it's not universal.

and there are things that move the world entirely

Nothing moves the world entirely. Majority vote doesn't apply here and even the 3 (or up to 7, whatever) sigma rule doesn't.

Saltblue ,

I respect your wrong opinion, have a nice day.

rottingleaf ,

Take a sufficiently well-centered photo, leave only the left or the right half, and replace the other one with its mirrored version. Then honestly say whether what you see is beautiful or ugly.

If you know that, just walk around here trolling, then bon appetit and ignore my advice.

subignition , in Society loves autistic coded characters more than they love actual people with autism
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Depictions of autism in media very rarely focus on anything other than what's perceived as the upsides.
Like all other forms of entertainment and marketing, it's not realistic, it's designed to present something appealing to a mass audience.

bionicjoey ,

I'd say Tina Belcher is a fairly good depiction, and people love her character.

GregorGizeh ,

I think it’s also in the current day spirit of unquestioning inclusion. Producers can’t make a more nuanced or even unlikeable neurodivergent character because there would definitely be backlash for harping on a marginalized group. Even if the character is written with the best of intentions in mind

joel_feila ,
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Well in past autism was only shown in extreme forms. Like non talking just have the actor twuxh and occasionally yell. So not showing the up side, but a mix oh the poor parents and inspiring disabilities

Kolanaki , in Society loves autistic coded characters more than they love actual people with autism
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Wednesday from The Adam's Family and Eddie Munster are nuerodivergent?

STRIKINGdebate2 OP ,
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Yeah. People have a tendency of labelling anyone that is depicted in TV shows as socially awkward as autistic. That's why so many people on twitter who simp for Dahmer on twitter refer to his supposed autism despite the fact that he was subjected to multiple psychological evaluations and never was accessed as autism.

Kolanaki ,
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Wednesday was socially awkward, sure... But the Munsters? From what I remember, they were depicted the same as any other sitcom family of the time; except they were physically monsters. To be fair, though, I barely remember the show from when it was on Nick at Nite when I was a kid; I might be conflagrating memories.

STRIKINGdebate2 OP ,
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You are showing your age here. Granted, kinda the person who made this fault because they just said Eddie and expected everyone to know which Eddie. They mean Eddie from stranger things.

CarlsIII ,

Eddie from stranger things is neurodivergent?

Zorque ,

A poster above stated neurodivergent wasn't a synonym for autism, I'm pretty sure for a lot of people it is a synonym for "different".

Eddie does represent a counter-culture that was prevalent at the time, for many that codes as "neurodivergent".

almar_quigley ,

How does counter culture have any relation to actual neurological conditions. I think that’s the questions people are asking. This whole post is insulting and stupid to actual neurodivergent people.

STRIKINGdebate2 OP ,
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I dunno enough about stranger things to comment about thar but in general characters who are like socially awkward get labelled as autistic.

CarlsIII ,

If you haven’t even seen the show, why are you defending the characterization? If you had seen the show, you would know Eddie Munson is not socially awkward, especially compared to most of the other main characters who actually are portrayed that way.

TrickDacy ,

I never once got that impression. Seems like a stretch to me

Also outside of cosplaying who is "obsessing over" them?

anarchy79 ,
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"Why does everyone love that imaginary character so much,when they could have loved me instead? I do deserve it more, after all!"

Jackcooper , in $1 grilled cheese (Does anyone else here like their food super simple and plain?)

$1 won't cover your costs in 90% of America. Go $3 call it good. How do I invest?

TheMauveAvenger ,

I'll take your money if you're throwing it away. A truck like this would thrive only on opportunism, no one is traveling to get this food. Having it be cash only would absolutely kill it.

Globeparasite , in A different point of view (shamelessly stolen from an imgur dump)

"being decent at math"
why would I work to be decent at something I can just bullshit my way through

mrcleanup , in All of this because of a pack of gum.

On the more neurotypical side of things, in adults, crying is usually associated with being mentally or physically wounded in a bad way, not just frustrated. So a neurotypical partner will likely receive this as a red flag danger signal that requires immediate intervention. But from their perspective it is just gum which is not a big deal to them. This leaves them in the middle of a paradox of incompatible conclusions (emergency and just gum) that is likely to frustrate them as well (maybe a frustrated as you are they just show it differently).

If you can, share with them that you know that it is just gum and try to express to them that you know your reaction is abnormal but it is not something you can stop, and to please be patient while you fight this battle. Put it on a card in advance if you need to do you can give it to them without needing to talk. Knowing that you know you are giving what they see as an inappropriate social signal and are trying to fix it should help them by telling them you acknowledge that this isn't a red flag emergency and that you are already trying to solve the problem but it will take time, so they know that they aren't expected to have an immediate fix, and you acknowledge that then not being to fix it doesn't mean that they are a bad partner.

SpaceNoodle , in All of this because of a pack of gum.

But ... you do have a reason for your preference.

SpaceNoodle , in I'm just trying to relate

This isn't normal conversation?

Psythik ,
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ADHD person here living with a normie girlfriend and apparently it's not. She gets so upset when I add my own personal anecdotes to the conversation, but when I sit there in silence she accuses me of not listening.

Guys I don't know what to do.

TwoBeeSan ,

Sounds like a her problem. This is how conversations work.

Deestan , in If there was a superhero called Super-Autist, what would be his superpowers?

Walk through social constructs as if they were air.

Obliterate objects by hyperfixating on them.

Drive villains mad by monologuing intensely at them about radio tower structural design history.

paddirn , in Social interaction

“I am going to walk out of this store without buying anything, it’s perfectly legal, I don’t have to buy something everytime I enter a store. They didn’t have what I wanted, I’m just leaving. But if somebody stops you and accuses you of stealing, just tell them…”

gandalf_der_12te OP ,

Please don't buy something out of a feeling of guilt. Shops don't depend on your donations. It would be unfair to support shops but not the homeless. Universal Basic Income is the only true solution.

CheeseBread , in Does anyone wish they had a pet but also know that taking care of a pet is too much executive functioning for them right now?

I have some things to help me take care of my pets. I have an automatic litterbox that scoops itself and gives me a notification to empty it. I have an automatic feeder that feeds my cats three times a day so I don't forget. I have a water fountain that I refill and clean weekly. I used to be very forgetful or struggle to make my mind do the tasks to take care of my pets, and I felt really bad about it. Now, most of the time I spend taking care of my cats is brushing them, petting them, and just hanging out with them. These items weren't cheap, but to me, they're worth every penny.

Deestan , in A different point of view (shamelessly stolen from an imgur dump)
dbilitated , in A different point of view (shamelessly stolen from an imgur dump)
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wait the number pattern thing is autism? I'm sorry, I have ADHD and the ADHD doctor also told me I'm probably on the spectrum. wow I love number pattern stuff though, I didn't know it was associated.

I got 81 as a table number the other day and I was stoked because it's 3^4. on reflection the doctor was probably right.

leraje , in The Antinatalism subreddit basically promoting eugenics against autistic people
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I'm not speaking for autistic people here, but I am speaking as parent to two children (now adults) on the spectrum.

Autistic children do not ruin your life and do not have ruined lives themselves. As with all parenting, sometimes things are very, very difficult and sometimes things are very, very easy. This isn't unique to raising a neurodiverse child, this is just parenting. The unique challenges that parenting a neurodiverse child brings are 99% of the time caused by how society thinks these children/adults are and assumptions about whats best for them without actually asking them rather than any sort of intrinsic issue caused by their autism or ADHD or any other neurological difference. For the remaining 1% of the time, you just do your best.

The narrative that neurological difference, in particular autism, ruins lives has, in its modern form, been with us since Andrew Wakefield first perpetuated his fraudulent claims of vaccine damage causing autism. It was spread by antivaxx/autism activist parent groups like Jenny McCarthy's Generation Rescue and the truly despicable people at Autism Speaks. These are the people who've ruined lives.

potoo22 , in Sadly I don't function

Having both, idk, it's like I have to expect chaos to be okay with it. Like, I take my ADHD spouse on a date and I expect they'll want to spontaneously go places, and I'll be okay with that. If I'm driving home on a routine grocery run and they suddenly call and want takeout... I have to calm myself.

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