mtchristo ,

The problem with Lemmy and with reddit too. Is that conversations Die off or stale too quickly. Reason being most engagement happens with older more upvoted comments. And newer contributions don't benefit from the same exposure. Which doesn't give much incentives for people to comment. Which in return deplets the platform of its userbase. Lemmy apps should ship with viewing newer comments by default to combat this. And Lemmy users should also change this setting in their apps.

some_guy ,

Seems about the same to me, but maybe a bit less? I have noticed, for a while, that the comment count on posts doesn't match how many are actually displayed when I open comments. It's not about my instance being de-federated because we are federated with all other instances. I think there's a bug in population.

EvilLootbox ,
@EvilLootbox@lemmy.world avatar

Are you sure you selected English in the languages list? When I first started my account I left it on the default "Undetermined" and that made it where comments set to "English" would not appear, but still counted in the comments number. Need to choose both Undetermined and English.

I was missing dozens of comments on posts sometimes and for awhile thought I was blocked by hundreds of people (understandable.. I know I post cringe) before I figured it out. I don't know if the onboarding process made this clear, I obviously missed it if it did

some_guy ,

Hmm… I just tried setting it to English and can't tell if it helped, but I hope this finally fixes the issue. Thanks for the tip!

EvilLootbox ,
@EvilLootbox@lemmy.world avatar

Make sure it's set to English and Undefined. Cheers!

some_guy ,

I noticed that it didn't solve the issue on a thread yesterday. I think my instance has an issue syncing comments. Oh well, thanks for the tip regardless. Maybe I'll see comments that I otherwise wouldn't have.

amio ,

Wouldn't surprise me. If you're not into ragebait, tankieism, linux smugness, the painful minutiae of corporations fucking everyone, US bullshit, or all of the above... this place is really pretty slow.

I only really browse "all" on this site and it does seem like fresh content trickles in at a fairly slow rate. At least part of that is that it needs to squeeze by what is now pages and pages of blocked communities just trying to avoid the doomposting.

anon6789 ,
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I don't pay super close attention to the numbers, but I glance at the daily users and subs now and then in the comm where I'm pretty much the only poster. I feel I'm down about 25% in daily users and new subs have felt slower.

I've tried posting a second or third post a day to try to catch anyone in a drastically different time zone, but the second post gets less likes than the first. Comments feel down, and more importantly, I don't see near as much growth of "regulars" who comment. I got used to seeing a few names every day or 2 in the comments, but many of them I don't hear from anymore. I do have a few new regulars, but most seem to comment less frequently, and if I'm not holding onto them long term, activity is never going to snowball.

It seems consistent with what I see when I browse All, Top 6 Hours. I'm always worried it's something I'm doing wrong, but I seem to trend pretty consistent with what I see of Lemmy as a whole. I do block essentially all meme communities, so I don't know how their popularity is holding up. I keep Science Memes unblocked for now, because some are actually funny or educational, but somedays they hog up too much of the top posts.

I try to keep posting more in depth and original things, but it demotivates me as a poster to keep working hard and putting in hours when the audience seems like it's shrinking. I try to post more than just cute pics, I try to share news, research, and facts, and I'll do reports on research papers or books so everyone else doesn't have to dig through all the dry stuff. That stuff takes up a good bit of time. I'm trying to keep a popular niche comm alive, and I think it's fun as it's typically positive stories and non-political 99% of the time, so it's what eeeeeeveryone says they want here, but how long are posters supposed to post to what looks like an empty room?

I still try to comment back to anyone who leaves a comment, so they know I'm seeing it and that I really appreciate it. But I can only do so much. I'm really holding out, but I start to wonder what Lemmy will be like at the end of this year.

Carrolade ,

With a project like this, I think it's important to take a long-term view, and not burn yourself out too early by putting too much early-term effort in.

I think the expectation some people may have had that the Fediverse was going to take off like a rocket and become the "next big thing" was a little bit of wishful thinking. The real process will take years imo, and we're just keeping the lights on in the meantime.

Development continues. That's the important part to remember.

anon6789 ,
@anon6789@lemmy.world avatar

I agree. It seems to go through spells were people just want this to be Reddit with a different page banner and they expect it to be or try to make it more like Reddit, but I thought we were here to move on?

I'd be cool with less comments overall if they are solid anyway. I don't care about "first" posts, the "i also choose this guy's wife," or people fighting with each other or spouting nonsense (looking at you, current state of news/politics subs).

I go back down to a single daily post when it starts to get to me. I've thought about taking breaks, but I still like learning the things I post for myself and for the joy it brings to the people that do check in every day. I'll still take what we have now over Reddit any day. I wouldn't be posting at all if I was there.

TheFonz OP ,

This

Sorry!!! Couldn't help it. But I agree. There is s something to be said about not reducing to the median

anon6789 ,
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Smarty-pants 😜

I loved the quality of posts and comments we had around Sep-Dec as the fellow Reddit migrants got the swing of how it worked here and could make awesome contributions. It was a really good signal to noise ratio and everyone was getting along and posts and comments were helpful and supportive.

Starting this year, I feel the part of Reddit we enjoyed being away from crept in along with enough angry far-left that they could regularly get in the top of All. When we started to see all the "why is no one swearing in here" threads and when the anti-work and anti-Trump groups made it over here.

I think these things should be talked about, but these groups just feel like rage bait to me, designed to get people worked up. They're all going to either end up either echo chambers or full of gatekeeping and downvoting. It isn't the bonding experience that was being built before that.

I'm an adult, and don't want to be lectured to by any militant conservative, leftist, evangelist, vegan, Linux fanboy, or whatever. I want cordial discussion, and if I'd walk in to what All is now, I probably wouldn't have hung around as long as I have.

But there's still a good number of people trying to make this place inviting and fun. If this just turns into liberal Parler, I'll probably just quit social media altogether. I don't know what's really left to go to after this that hasn't been absorbed by a big company or a political movement.

TheFonz OP ,

I think the advantage of larger user bases (not always) is that the more nuanced discussions often bubble to the top. That is impossible here because the user base is so small. That's why it's a flatline of ACAB, extreme leftie eat the rich, etc. There is a big void in the middle left by that in-depth conversation: Nothing seems to get past that surface layer analysis. If we want to talk about Oct 7 well be prepared to hear about the Peele commission and apartheid state. On and on. Unless of course maybe I'm getting old and all social media is converging into vacuous and hollow content. Were da 30+ at??

anon6789 ,
@anon6789@lemmy.world avatar

Lol, Lemmy Silver, for the old lemmings. I suppose it's part of getting older. We've all had these high level conversations for decades and anything we're still interested in, we've had decades to get really granular on them. But the young ones are learning this guy Reagan did some shit once upon a time or there was a guy named Lenin that said regular people are important, etc for the first time, and I'm glad for them, but the access to data we have I'd hope you'd do a little more reading before shouting the same crap over and over. "Doing your own research" once and then never exploring any further or checking out other sides makes you just as annoying as that anti-vaxer.

Now I sound too damn old! 😧

TheFonz OP ,

Welcome friend! Your AARP subscription is being processed and bingo is at 7:30. 🥲

I hear you though.

Sprawlie ,

I'm fairly new. Finding it hard to get truly into the experience given some of the more extreme takes that Lemmy seems to allow (or at least some federated servers)

Seems like Lemmee is sadly becoming a fairly isolated echo chamber for certain opinions only.

edit: An example of "Extreme takes". Not linking the post. it's been upvoted 17 times, and online for 18 hours unmoderated: in the post, the user encourages execution. Murder and destruction of property:

so, as an actual radical:

yeah pretty spot on with healthcare. this is basic ‘having a society’ shit.

I don’t want a job that pays so much as an actual society I can contribute to and nurture and be a fucking part of that will take care of me some noticeable fraction of how I take care of it. I’d rather not have money involved, if its all the same to you.

I do actually want a free place to live. I’ll help build it or whatever, but I’m fucking done compromising with landlord parasites; watched too many of their victims die.

I do not want corporations to be unprofitable; I want them dismantled and their boards executed. worker co-ops are cool. individual enterprise is cool. no more exploitation, no more not having a voice.

I think the entire concept we have of ‘democracy’ is absolutely cucked. I could write some essays on what real democracy looks like, but the short version is: fuck your bourgoise elections.

kill the billionaires; tjwyre literal monsters who drink children’s blood steal and transfuse the blood of the young to grasp vainly at eternal youth while burning our futures. no problem with your party yacht if its green and you built it with your friends, but I think we need a reset on ‘wealth’.

Reading shit like that a LOT on this site is a massive turn off to the average user, and why I have a hard time truly diving in and giving a shit about it.

Edited once more: Bolded the problem points I have with above. My issue is not the message itself, but the words and what this user encourages. Don't gaslight that the language used in that post was beyond reasonable and encourages violence

themusicman ,

Most of that shouldn't be considered extreme. Yeah "eat the rich" style rhetoric is inflammatory, but the rest is just pretty bog standard leftist stuff. There's far more extreme stuff on Reddit, on all the political fringes.

fishos ,
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You're literally proving their point. You're saying "I don't see anything wrong with this, it's perfectly normal to me and I'm fine if this kind of thing dominates my feed". Their entire complaint is how normalized this kind of rhetoric has become and how pervasive it is and your response is basically "this is fine" dog.

Mrkawfee ,

That's interesting. I came to Lemmy because I want open debate and not moderation which I view as a form of censorship. Interesting to know that not everyone shares that view!

Sprawlie ,

nice attempted rage bate

There's a massive difference between sharing views, IE: "I don't like billionaires", and Making threatening remarks, or calling to violence (not ok).

trying to frame me pointing out that calls to violence are NOT a good look for Lemmy, is not me calling out censorship. That's you trying to rage bate the conversation into some argument about your rights (which ends where my nose begins)

aasatru ,
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In a favourable reading, "killing" a billionaire is as easy as taking their money away.

That said, I think the biggest catch-all instances of Lemmy should be defederated from Lemmy.ml and hexbear. The users of these sites just ruin the experience for anyone with half a brain and a less than spectacular appetite for bullshit.

Klear ,

I do not want corporations to be unprofitable; I want them dismantled and their boards executed

Favourable reading my ass.

Dashi ,

You also see this sort of thing about cops. I just learned ACAB, all cops are bastards, today. Which I'm getting increasingly tired of. When you try having a discussion with people they are just as stuck in their ways as the right and don't realize it.

Do i think all cops are saints no. But demonizing entire jobs/professions/whatever right wrong or indifferent is the same reason i stopped watching some news. All doom and gloom.

Mastengwe ,

I’ve been saying this for quite a while. It’s impossibly to get people on lemmy to understand nuance. I was the same way when I was young which is why I really feel like the average age of a lemmy user has got to be around 16-17 years old.

Mastengwe ,

I find it impossible for me to take people like that seriously at all. I keep picturing them as 16 year old kids that recently read an op-ed piece and now thinks they should whine about it to anyone that will listen.

oessessnex ,

All is not a "for you" feed, it contains posts from the whole fediverse. You are supposed to add the filter yourself. Find the communities you are interested in, subscribe and then browse that.

Behaviorbabe ,

There have been a lot of political articles and not much besides.

DarkGamer ,
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And a lot of tyrannical mods who ban for dissenting opinions

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