Mastengwe ,

Probably enjoy the peace and quiet on social media when all the right- wing… I mean- “far left” propagandists disappear after succeeding in getting their beloved fascist elected.

It happens every four years. It’ll happen this year as well.

The irony of YOU asking this probably isn’t lost on anyone I’d assume.

return2ozma OP ,
@return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t hate the Democrats because I’m on the right. I hate the Democrats because THEY are on the right.

Mastengwe ,

Hilarious take. I’ll bet you hate all those Christian satanists as well.

NotAnotherLemmyUser ,

My plan is to vote in candidates at all levels that are endorsed by The Forward Party.

We need to overhaul our voting system so that we're not trapped in this downward spiral of a 2 party system that we're currently in. Ranked Choice voting, Star voting, Approval voting... they all have pros and cons but any one of them is better than the current system that we have.

The way we get better options for Presidential candidates is to have a voting system that gives other parties a chance.

I don't care if I have to vote for a particular Republican, Democrat, or some third party individual for this to be accomplished.
Following the trend of "vote out all Republicans/Democrats" is how we got here in the first place.

bloodfart ,

Can I persuade you to choose party for socialism and liberation over fwd where there is one?

Psl is a far left party whose vision of democracy is radically far reaching, extending into even the workplace. Unless you simply favor the self described centrist policies of fwd, psl might be more your speed where there is a candidate.

NotAnotherLemmyUser ,

I think you're misunderstanding what the Forward Party is.
You can be a part of any side of the political spectrum and still fall in line with the Forward Party.

The only thing that the Forward Party cares about is overhauling the voting system with something better: RCV, Star, Approval, etc.

They don't take a stance on much of anything else.

And in terms of priority, any candidate endorsed by the Forward Party has my initial vote. If multiple candidates in the same race are backed by the forward party, then I will start digging in deeper to figure out which one I want to vote for.

bloodfart ,

i didn't know that they had dropped everything but electoral reform after yang.

that's a really interesting move. i'm excited to see how they do in november

eldavi ,

the same thing i did when even biden, et al. voted against gay marriage; gays in the military; supported gay ban in the federal gov't and stayed silent on a slew of anti-immigrant & anti-abortion state laws.

kava ,

I'm a bit cynical here and I think the country is headed down the same path whether Trump or Biden wins in November. We're seeing pseudo-fascist rhetoric increase in frequency. We're seeing authoritarian and militaristic policies pass virtually unopposed through our political system. War is virtually guaranteed with either candidate.

I know this opinion may be unpopular but I don't think this election matters very much. There are of course potential differences- such as access to abortion. If Biden wins, maybe there's more hope. But that's really it- just hope. Democrats have had majorities dozens of times since Roe V Wade was ruled and never wrote abortion into law.

I don't think it's suddenly going to change in the next 4 years which looks to be a potentially very dangerous period of time geopolitically speaking. Biden isn't going to have very much political capital to spend and the Overton Window is gradually shifting right.

Instead of looking only at this election, look at the next. And the one after. Do people think MAGA will go away? The world is in economic and geopolitical restructuring- instability breeds radicalism. The problem will likely only get worse. Especially with another weak Democratic administration.

Which brings me to the answer to your question. I have dual citizenship in South America. The only reasons I would leave the US are if there is a WW3 scenario or some sort of clear descent into a form of fascism. We're toying with it right now, but it can get a lot worse.

It probably won't be much better in my home country if I'm being honest, but there will be less chances for war. Any global war will inevitably involve the US in some capacity.

jkjustjoshing ,

Have you heard about Project 2025? This is what’s so scary about Trump that isn’t true about Biden. In 2017, Trump was the dog who caught the car, but in 2025 he will come in with a plan and allies helping him move as fast as possible to unravel environmental protections, public school funding, consumer protections, scientific research, and increase the amount of right-wing Christianity in the US government as much as they can. And that just what there is skimming the Wikipedia article. In 2017 Trump started his term with some clumsy executive orders, many of which were immediately enjoined/overturned - in 2025 he will come in with prewritten executive orders with a much stronger legal standing that will be much more effective.

Trump put polarizing figures in his cabinet in “acting” roles because he couldn’t get them through the Senate (like Betsy DeVos who screwed over thousands of student loan borrowers and worked to take money out of public schools). He’ll do that again.

And while I agree there’s some things I’d like Biden to do that he isn’t, he and Trump aren’t remotely equivalent. Biden has gotten a huge amount of legislation passed for climate action, he’s forgiven student loans for 10s of thousands of people (many of whom were promised service-based loan forgiveness and then screwed over by DeVos).

You’re right that MAGA won’t go away. But Trump is a unique figure on the right, and one that is particularly dangerous right now. There isn’t one thing we can do to change the minds of his supporters, but every election we keep him out of power is 4 more years until all the Project 2025 shit can come true.

SwingingTheLamp ,

I've heard of Project 2025. It seems like the Democrats in office have not. Heck, just this morning, I read Jennifer Rubin's op-ed about how Sen. Durbin (chair of the Judiciary Committee) is so peeved he's almost on the verge of sending a Very Sternly Worded Letter about one of our Supreme Court justices being an insurrectionist.

suction ,

Well don’t come to Europe. No vacancies!

TwistedTurtle , (edited )

Lol. Opportunity to be on the other side of the brain drain effect but refuse it. Fine, some other continent will reap the benefits of a bunch of smart expats.

hanrahan ,
@hanrahan@slrpnk.net avatar

Well, as an Australian I'd hope they'd not come here either, happy to have refugees and help then out as much as possible but not Americans.

As to brain drain, you come from a country that's destroying the planet, acts like a spoiled child when it doesn't get it's way, (look at the reaction to the ICC arrest warrants for Israel) you've created a monster that has little to admire, the "brains" that created all that will hopefully stay there.

This is a country that has threatened to invade the Hague if any US person or allly is indicted by the ICC for example. Churlish doesn't even begin to describe it, stay there.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2002/08/03/us-hague-invasion-act-becomes-law

Desistance ,
@Desistance@lemmy.world avatar

I don't think many Americans will want to go to the deadliest continent on the planet. I see a lot going to South America, parts of Africa and Europe.

TwistedTurtle ,

The Americans that would flee a Trump administration aren't the ones destroying the planet and acting like spoiled children.

suction , (edited )

Yeah we know American “brains”, that’s why we aren’t so keen.
We don’t need you guys turning us into the US, too.

TwistedTurtle , (edited )

If we had had that attitude when fascism was on the rise in Europe we would never have gotten Einstein or Tesla or half of our best and brightest.

We became so much better by taking in anti-facist refugees in the past, it's funny and sad to see these edgy comments when the situation is reversed. I'm proud we weren't so stupid in our history, we benefited greatly from taking them.

suction , (edited )

Einstein or…Tesla(!) yeah that’s exactly the brain farts we’d get from you clowns. You’re all scam artists one way or another. No Einsteins in sight,
We don’t have vacancies anyway,

TwistedTurtle , (edited )
  • Draws rare "convert other team's best units to your team" card.
  • Opponent has used this dozens of times on you and dominates the game.
  • Refuse to use it because you hate the other team.

Well played buddy.

suction ,

NO VACANCIES

MacNCheezus ,
@MacNCheezus@lemmy.today avatar

Then he'll be President a second time.

TheRedSpade ,

If he's allowed to take office again, he'll be king, not president.

lazylion_ca , (edited )

Does a President actually have that much power?

UNY0N ,

No, but the power to make laws lies in the senate / congress. If they are also in republican hands then together they could possibly change the laws to enact a dictatorship.

angstylittlecatboy ,

Pretty much, the Republican party all the way up to Trump doesn't even hide that they're anti-Democracy, and attempts to break democratic systems that underpin our entire government nay our way of life are basically out in the open.

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