hperrin ,

Continue living in California, and probably not go to any red state. At least not with my wife. Continue to vote Democrat and spread progressive values.

altima_neo ,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

West Coast is best coast.

Hugh_Jeggs ,

California is clearly the best state. It's like if you bought the EU off wish.com, but at least there's hope 😂

jordanlund ,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

Get ready for '26. Flipping/Maintaining the House and Senate has to be the priority.

retrospectology ,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

Start getting into a resistance mindset. People have a rapidly vanishing window to organize for what's coming. Biden or Trump this cycle it doesn't really matter that much, Democrats and their supporters are simply are not equipped to resist fascism. We've reached the terminal end of the lesser of two evils, and it's going to be bad. Genocide Joe won't save us.

SwingingTheLamp ,

Indeed. I keep asking what is the plan to stop a fascist MAGA candidate from winning the Presidency in 2028, when the Democrats don't have incumbent advantage, and the historical pattern is a party flip, and have received only one (joke) answer. I have heard no talk whatsoever about how to handle a Biden win this year, although the MAGA politicians are signaling another attempt to overturn the election. (My state AG is still "investigating" the fake elector scheme from 2020; no way a prosecution will happen before the election, and likely never.) "Vote harder" is not going to be effective.

InternetUser2012 ,

Try like hell to move across the pond or Japan.

slurpinderpin ,

It was shocking to see how much better of a society Japan was when I visited. Really the one thing they don’t do as well as us is create shareholder value. To which I say, who gives a fuck?

fsxylo ,

Every former expat I've asked says the same thing.

Japan is for Japanese people.

BrianTheeBiscuiteer ,

Doesn't matter how long you live there or even if you were born there. If you don't look Japanese you're a foreigner.

insaneinthemembrane ,

Hugely sexist country though. Maybe it's nice for men to move there.

ramble81 ,

I hope you’re Japanese or can pass for it. As beautiful as the country is (I loved it there) they are highly xenophobic and racist. There are literally restaurants where foreigners aren’t allowed in (even if you’ve lived there decades), getting housing in most places requires you to be “sponsored” by someone with a very high upfront fee, etc.

OpenStars ,
@OpenStars@discuss.online avatar

If Trump wins: WWIII.

If Trump does not win: Civil war.

Maybe? Either one could have a few years delay.

Somehow we all are okay with him being the literal center of everything.

sp3tr4l ,

As a person made utterly destitute and disabled by a series of crimes committed against me, well, I have SSDI and thats basically it.

Cost of living is way lower in Ecuador, i can relearn the Spanish I knew in high school, and theres a good number of affordable cities and towns there with considerably better crime statistics and public transportation than anywhere I can afford in the US.

I have done the math and it would be vastly more cost and time effective to move abroad... as I have been evicted, and basically that means I can't rent anywhere in the US for at least two years.

I am seriously considering noping the fuck out if Trump wins. Spent most of my adult life advocating for minorities, the poor, the disenfranchised, and now I am too fucking tired, in too much pain and too broke.

(Ironically my last job was at a non profit assisting the homeless, who didn't give a fuck about me becoming homeless.)

Not like anyone will miss me, every family member and friend I thought I had either committed crimes against me, told me to fuck off, or told me that they what was happening to me was too emotionally traumatic for them to deal with right now.

Of course this plan goes to shit if Trump and the Republicans somehow massively defund or cancel Social Security.

I used to think they would not be so stupid as to actually do that, as... an insane number of Trump's core voter base rely on SSI ot SSA or SSDI... but obviously with the MAGA crowd, anything is possible.

Guess I can always teach English. Maybe if I can ever walk again I can guide tours.

wesker ,
@wesker@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

as I have been evicted, and basically that means I can't rent anywhere in the US for at least two years.

There are an increasing number of sublets and private rentals in my area, that don't check rental history. Everything is fairly under the table, month to month with no binding leases, for better or worse depending on your situation. Just bringing it up as a potential avenue to consider, maybe there are options in your area too.

sp3tr4l ,

Can you like dm me where this place is?

I am basically bound to my current roach motel that just happens to allow month to month rent, without kicking you out after 3 weeks.

I have been using a shit tier 4g phone for months now trying to find no credit check apartments. Everything is a scam, and none the shady apartments seem to actually list online anywhere.

'Look for private rentals!' Is good advice but... with what search engine, what rental website actually has a private rentals filter that actually works? Ive not found one.

Craigslist is bone dry where I am, and the few times a listing pops up, either they don't respond or they don't allow evictions or , again, its a scam.

I bussed halfway across the country to find the cheapest motel rates I could.

Im not a resident of the state as I do not live in a residence.

I dont qualify for rental assistance as I do not live in a residence.

And I don't qualify for homeless assistance as I am not homeless.

Its fucking wonderful.

empireOfLove2 ,

Hope that Canada or one of the Nordic/EU countries have job openings for an engineer.

Lumisal ,

Why wait? Did the math, and depending where you go and what state you currently live in, you might even pay less in taxes (or even about the same if you go somewhere high tax like Finland and are coming from a lower tax state like Wisconsin - only 2.3% difference) while also not having to pay in healthcare. Public transportation is so excellent here a car is literally just a luxury, so if you can even consider transportation savings.

Really the only hurdle is language, but practice everyday really hard and you can get the gist of it. Most international companies here use English as primary working language anyhow.

empireOfLove2 ,

The main hurdle is really experience (I am <5yr) and family (my parents are aging and may need my intervention in fewer years than I think). Firms usually only hire internationally for skilled engineers and there's no guarantee my accredited degree from the US is valid anywhere else. And if I went someplace other than Canada, the travel costs would likely result in me only coming back to see the rest of my family once every two years, which sucks and could pose actual problems.

Don't get me wrong, I honestly do like the idea of going someplace with real human rights, but unless it becomes clear there is actually a threat to my existence I can't justify that big of a change. I love my family too much.

Lumisal , (edited )

I fully understand. But just do consider that once it begins a threat to your existence, it might be too late, based off past history in other places at least. Consider that EU countries are preparing for a potential Trump presidency too, and Finland and others will no longer accept entry with just a passport, even for vacation, starting next year. That's why I'm determined to help as many as I can move now while there's still time.

If you do want to look into jobs here in Finland at least I'd be glad to help.

lurker_in_chat ,

Canada. Maybe northern Europe. But I live in a blue state and I don't want to see how long it takes him to say "states' rights only apply to those that voted for me"

Son_of_dad ,

All the young uni kids who went full anti Biden on one issue, are likely too young to remember what president Trump was really like. They're gonna love him, since being miserable and outraged seems to be their preferred default.

match ,
@match@pawb.social avatar

the uni kids reasonably thought they could convince biden to condemn genocide

dan1101 ,
@dan1101@lemm.ee avatar

If nobody paid any attention to him we could just passive aggressively get through the next 4 years.

bitwaba ,

Yeah. That worked last time

intensely_human ,

It did

match ,
@match@pawb.social avatar

For the survivors at least

bradorsomething ,

So I just barely make it into the classes that do well under trump, but I’m very worried as the social safety net is falling apart for most americans, and that republican rule only speeds that problem. I’m going to be trying to strengthen resources that help people trying to make it to self-sufficiency, but I can’t overcome the typical american attitude of “I’ve failed because I need help.” I guess the best plan for most people is to take care of those around them, be moral and resist bad policy by quiet lack of compliance, and try to help good people get out of bad parts of the country so they collapse all the sooner.

corsicanguppy ,

make it to self-sufficiency

If a traffic accident can bankrupt you, unfortunately you're still at-risk.

MapleEngineer ,
@MapleEngineer@lemmy.world avatar

Candian here.

Do not come north.

We cannot house and feed you. Most of you will die of exposure the first winter you are here.

If you have thoughts of coming here with guns and taking our homes or food by force know that most of us outside the cities are armed, we're just not so scared that we constantly show off our guns and feel no need to go prepared for combat to buy donuts or groceries.

So, Mexico is your best bet, if they will take you. I bet you'll be glad that all the talk of a border wall was just neo-fascist virtue signaling.

Surp ,
@Surp@lemmy.world avatar

Wow you're an asshole

MapleEngineer ,
@MapleEngineer@lemmy.world avatar

I simply pointed out the reality of the situatuation. Canada can't take in millions of American refugees fleeing a christofascist authoritarian regime.

GnomeKat ,
@GnomeKat@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Your understanding of the effects of immigration is childish.

MapleEngineer , (edited )
@MapleEngineer@lemmy.world avatar

Ok. Explain to me how a country of 40 million people that doesn't have sufficient housing for the people who are here now can house millions of political refugees from the US before winter hits and they all freeze to death?

Keep in mind we're not talking about gradual immigration. We're talking a wave of potentially millions of refugees fleeing a christofascist dictatorship or civil war.

Your insults are very childish. Do better.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Just make Newfoundland pay for it, they pay for everything else.

MapleEngineer ,
@MapleEngineer@lemmy.world avatar

Newfoundland gets over $200 million in annual equalization payments.

afraid_of_zombies ,

The New-fees I have worked with have a different assessment of the situation

Bytemeister ,

Yeah. Also, clearly doesn't understand what is going on (TBF, I don't know shit about Canadian politics either), but the stupid violent people with guns will be overjoyed if trump is the president.

MapleEngineer ,
@MapleEngineer@lemmy.world avatar

Just as the students in Iran were overjoyed when the shah fell right up until the reality of living under a theocratic dictatorship sunk in.

JustZ ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

True story!

ChillPenguin ,

But I'm Minnesotan. I can blend in really well.

MapleEngineer ,
@MapleEngineer@lemmy.world avatar

You're well north of the south most point in Canada. You're practically Canadian. We just don't have enough housing up here to take in a bunch of refugees. If Americans end up in tent city refugee camps they will die in winter. We could put a few tens of thousands in school gymnasiums and community centers but it would turn into a humanitarian disaster.

JustZ ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

Nah bud, we're going to cut down all your trees and build shacks. All those lakes surrounded by trees, going to put up condos.

JustZ ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

Bud not only are we coming north, but we're going to turn your subarctic tundra into orange groves.

JCreazy ,

Prevent it from happening in the first place my voting. It sounds like a lot of people have already given up before the election has even started.

trainwreck ,

I don't think you understood the prompt

rusticus ,

I’m in the privileged class so despite being pissed off I won’t be targeted. If I was a minority or woman I’d GTFO.

weeeeum ,

Ill see what happens, presidents like to talk big before they're elected, but if everything really goes down the shitter, and project 2025 is successful I'll seriously consider leaving. Very fortunately I am British by decent. Not the greatest improvement but a significant one nonetheless.

WoahWoah ,

"I'll see ... but," "if," "I'll seriously consider."

You ain't gonna do shit.

acetanilide ,

Why so aggressive?

WoahWoah ,

Is that aggressive in your world?

acetanilide ,

Our world, but yes.

weeeeum ,

Dude, I've got family there in the UK already, happy to take me in and I don't mind the change in scenery.

Chill...

  • All
  • Subscribed
  • Moderated
  • Favorites
  • [email protected]
  • kbinchat
  • All magazines