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Rolive , in I liked Fusion 360, I like Onshape - but I'd rather like something that I won't lose over the whims of one company. So, what?

I'm quite happy with FreeCAD. It's not really intuitive but I'll gladly take that over any other program with those modern account/subscription/cloud bullshit "features".

RandomLegend ,

I started on FreeCAD but now went for Ondsel.

Their UX redesign is really nice and works much better for me

AdrianTheFrog ,
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I think if you install enough plugins you can get that similar experience from freecad

olafurp ,

Seconded FreeCAD. It was my first CAD software and I didn't have massive amount of trouble with it being a hobbyist with no CAD experience.

fulg , in I liked Fusion 360, I like Onshape - but I'd rather like something that I won't lose over the whims of one company. So, what?

It looks like Fusion 360 runs fine on Linux these days, I don’t know how reliable that is in practice (I would expect not very much).

OnShape is a great option if the licensing terms are compatible with what you are doing. They used to have similar licensing terms as Fusion 360 where you could still get paid for your work with a free version (i.e. YouTube) but changed the terms to remove this loophole. Fusion still allows this with the Startup license but of course could change their mind at any time, then you’d be out of luck.

I dislike the lockdown of Fusion 360 but its mental model works with my own (I can’t “get” SolidWorks and never remember how to do anything). Speaking of SolidWorks, they added a reasonably-priced license for DIY/hobbyists, but it’s the same lockdown as Fusion 360 and still Windows only.

I’m in the same boat as you, just a hobbyist doing this for my own use, I have no interest in becoming an industrial engineer. For now I will keep using Fusion 360, and when that stops being an option I’ll move on to something else. I can whip out models for my prints easily enough and the 10 documents limit is just an annoyance, not a real limitation.

At the very least whatever you design in Fusion 360 or OnShape won’t be stuck in there, you can export it out via .step files. You lose design history (if applicable) but not the model itself.

Kraiden ,

it looks like Fusion 360 runs fine on Linux

I can assure you, it does not.

Do not switch to Linux and expect this project to save you, it is NOT beginner friendly.

It's great, and I'm sure someone smarter than me could probably get it working, but personally, I failed miserably and switched to OnShape.

fulg ,

I should have prefaced that I did not actually run this myself, but I did take a note of it, it looked promising. Sorry for the false hope!

I would expect it to work after a lot of fussing about, and then break at the slightest update. Easier to run it in a VM (which is also not easy in order to get GPU acceleration without dedicating a card to it - I never managed to get Intel GVT-g nor GVT-d to work reliably).

wjrii ,

Yup. At this point, "locally installed, reliable, parametric modeling on Linux" = "FreeCAD, including Ondsel, and SolveSpace". That's it. Well, there's code-to-CAD as well, which obviously retains parametric history, but goes about it very differently than a design tree.

For non-parametric modeling, BricsCAD and Plasticity enter the discussion. For parametric on the web, OnShape works very well but I hate their licensing scheme and the huge doughnut hole in their pricing model.

fulg ,

I was quite amazed reading NopHead’s blog a while back because he uses OpenSCAD exclusively, even managing to design an entire printer and its upgrades in there. I didn’t think any sane person could do this.

xenspidey ,

I went the Solid works hobbyist route, quite frankly, it's well worth it. I tried freecad for awhile but it just didn't compare.

Voyajer ,
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I could never get his repo to work, I've resigned to using fusion in a VM for now while I wait for progress in freecad or the parametric cad plugins for blender to mature.

Scrath ,

I recently tried the flatpak this repo has linked and couldn't get it to work properly. First I had to google for a login workaround because the bottle couldn't open the browser login link and when I finally got it to "work" the rendering was broken.

MMNT , in I liked Fusion 360, I like Onshape - but I'd rather like something that I won't lose over the whims of one company. So, what?

Although you still need windows, Rhino3D is amazing and has a perpetual license. It's way cheaper if you are studying or teaching. There is also sketchup which works through the browser but I don't know if that works on Linux.

cestvrai ,

Great license and fantastic software (Grasshopper is also cool) but lack of a Linux version is a huge bummer.

MMNT ,

Yeah, I don't know why they still don't support Linux. They really hate Autodesk, so they should do it purely out of spite.

RegalPotoo , in Casting Concrete With A 3D-Printed Mould
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Having tried similar things, I cannot stress enough how much you want to be printing molds like this in TPU unless you really really want your mold to be permanently embedded in the concrete

JustEnoughDucks ,
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You can also print the object and use it to make a silicone mold, right? That doesn't stick to concrete.

RegalPotoo ,
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True, but silicone is 10-20x the price of TPU

Mora ,

The advice on sex toys (not cement!) I've read suggests using beeswax. I wonder if this would work as well🤔

BastingChemina , in I liked Fusion 360, I like Onshape - but I'd rather like something that I won't lose over the whims of one company. So, what?

I'm in the same boat but with semi professional needs.

I have not found any alternative yet to Onshape that works on linux.

I'm trying FreeCAD and derivatives from time to time but it really feels like a serious step backwards.

DrM ,

I really hope that FreeCAD will get better with time, and the Blender story will be the same for FreeCAD. Just a few years back, Blender was really bad compared with Maya, now Autodesk lost a huge market because Blender is powerful enough for professional work, probably even better than Maya

Funwayguy ,
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I'm really hoping FreeCAD gets the Blender treatment. ONDSEL is already pushing it pretty far, but once extensibility is more robust and the new user experience improved, I believe that'll be the tipping point.

captain_aggravated ,
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Oh man "extensibility" in FreeCAD. The documentation is non-existent, is the main problem. It's just about impossible to understand how anything works, it's like trying to figure out how to run a battleship by turning cranks and seeing what they do.

Funwayguy ,
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My point exactly. If FreeCAD refines that framework and documents it well, community plugin support could drive many new features and quality of life improvements into the main branch.

Imgonnatrythis , in none slip surface.

Smooth the surface? Looks like that texture is from your plate? A smooth pei plate will give you a smoother bottom surface. If you want the top even smoother use ironing. Printing with tpu will give anti-slip properties.

skulkbane OP ,

The coasters are double sided.
The printer is not mine and they dont have a smooth PEI plate.
I want the same texture on both sides, so im hoping to do some post processing.

Thank you for your reply.

dual_sport_dork ,
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If you want an identical texture from the plate on both sides, you could split your model in two laterally and print both finished faces downwards against the plate, and then glue/screw/pin/otherwise attach the two halves together afterwards.

Doing this with an inlay for the two colors would be possible, i.e. with a filament change on the same layer. If your colored bit is a separate layer on top of the other stuff that plan won't be possible.

skulkbane OP ,

That could be an option, but ill look into the anti slip pads and i have also found "clear plastidip" online and ill see if i can make a nice coasters surface with that.

HubertManne , in Hark! For I Have Designed Another Knife. [Adélie Crossbar Locker]

now make razor blade scissors :)

n3cr0 , in I liked Fusion 360, I like Onshape - but I'd rather like something that I won't lose over the whims of one company. So, what?

This is not the answer to your work flow, but I found a lightweight solution that works for my simple designs: OpenSCAD

The work flow here is to implement geometrical shapes within a few lines of code.

piecat ,

OpenSCAD is pretty good, but I've run into issues with the rotate/extrude. Also only saves as a mesh, which may or may not matter for your application

GrayBackgroundMusic Mod , in OrcaSlicer V2.1.0 Official Release

Can someone give me a brief intro to orca slicer? Who is it made by and what's it's quirk?

For example prusa slicer, made by prusa, prioritizes user interface and has powerful almost modeling features (text, cutting etc)

rugburn ,

Orca slicer is a fork of Prusaslicer

xenspidey ,

And it's fantastic!

Edit: its actually a fork of bamboo slicer which is a fork of prusa slicer

GrayBackgroundMusic Mod ,

Fork of a fork of a fork.

xenspidey ,

The beauty of open source software

zelifcam ,
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What are the advantages over Prusa?

Ease of use or features? Both?

xenspidey ,

I'd say all of the above. Its integration with Kipper is also very good

xenspidey ,

I used to slicer hop around, then i discovered orca. Just the best imho

Edit: its an open source fork of bamboo slicer

Nilz ,

And Bambu Studio is a fork of PrusaSlicer

xenspidey ,

Which is a fork of Slic3r

IMALlama ,

You're four forks deep now
Slic3r to Prusa Slicer to Bamboo's slicer to Orca. It also borrowed a lot of ideas from Super Slicer. Since it's open source, and has been gaining some momentum, it seems to have a decent amount of contributors

Why Orca?

  • all the features you know and love from things up the tree
  • a revamped UI
  • built in tuning tests (temp tower, extrusion multiplier, volumetric flow, pressure advance, etc)
  • great Klipper integration if that's your jam
p1mrx ,

all the features you know and love from things up the tree

Did OrcaSlicer ever bring back the option to slice automatically when changing settings? It's called "Background processing" in PrusaSlicer.

Grippler ,

The UI of Prusa slicer is hot garbage though. I started with prusa slicer and moved to orca after a few months. Orca is a much nicer experience, and the built-in test-models (temp towers etc.) are nice.

GrayBackgroundMusic Mod ,

The UI of Prusa slicer is hot garbage though.

I'm comparing cura and prusa, so prusa wins by a lot. What are you comparing prusa to? Orca?

Grippler ,

Yes

u_tamtam ,
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The UI of Prusa slicer is hot garbage though.

I give orca/bambu the edge for "prettier on screenshots", but in practice, I don't find their UI paradigm to be more efficient nor convenient.

Grippler ,

In find the location and grouping of parameters more intuitive in orca. I always had to look through several tabs to find the parameter I wanted to adjust when I was using prusa, it was never where I thought it should be.

lefixxx ,

It's worth giving a try

BuboScandiacus , in I liked Fusion 360, I like Onshape - but I'd rather like something that I won't lose over the whims of one company. So, what?
@BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz avatar

Freecad

WAIT DON’T DOWNVOTE !

Freecad Link Branch by realthunder : much much much better than the original

https://github.com/realthunder/FreeCAD

If you still don’t like it try Ondsel, though you need an account to download it.

ExcessShiv ,

I only use pretty basic modelling, and have no interest in advanced CAD featueres, I've tried both the link branch and ondsel, and I honesty think they're about the same level as regular freecad. None of them are even near as intuitive to use as for example onshape, they're actually a bit of a chore to use IME.

BuboScandiacus ,
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Yeah they are a bit of a pain to use, but still better than having your files taken hostage by autodesk or onshape

noni ,

You can download Ondsel ES directly from GitHub, no account needed: https://github.com/Ondsel-Development/FreeCAD/releases

BuboScandiacus ,
@BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz avatar

Oh ok ty. Didn’t know that

bluewing ,

You only need an account if you want access their cloud storage and sharing management. You can get a tiny free account if you want. I signed up for the freebie since I sometimes work between 2 computers on the same project. But if you only use one computer, it's not going to get you anything extra.

You can add Ondsel Lens to your regular install simply by installing it through the add-on manager if you want.

callcc ,

The 1.0 release is around the corner. It's only a matter of a few weeks. It has the toponaming problem fixed and a built in assembly toolbox!

BuboScandiacus ,
@BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz avatar

Woohoo!

zipsglacier ,

Freecad +1

WAIT !

I think each person has to recognize that there is a time/energy cost to get out of enshittification hell, and then decide how much they're willing to pay. If the answer for you is at least "an afternoon of video tutorials", then Freecad will be fine for you. It's a complicated tool that you need some help learning; that's ok. It won't become your new hobby.

If you don't want to pay that cost, that's understandable. If you feel mad that there is a cost at all, that's ok too. That's how enshittification works, and it sucks. As I said, each person will have to decide whether and how much they're willing to pay to get out of it.

Anyway, the MangoJelly tutorials in YouTube are really excellent, and will have you up and running in a few hours at most. (My CAD needs are also very basic, and I was done after the first two parts, 30 min each.) For following along, I would recommend just using the main version, so that it matches his tutorial exactly, and do the steps as he shows you. It feels dumb, but it's such a fast way to learn. You can decide later if you want to switch to one of the other branches, depending on what features you care about or what annoys you most.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLiGNkhS8RKFIJWGj1ad8wRVVCLBnF_13g

Here's one of his later videos about tracing from a photo, but I haven't watched it:

https://youtu.be/xQcDoAhmoa8?si=MkdyXVtATiNWesJ4

You can do it!

JustEnoughDucks ,
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Freecad mainline.

The feature freeze is on and they have a UI overhaul and a Topological Naming Problem fix.

I am using the 0.22 dev version with the fix and oh boy it makes a huge difference. Obviously deleting a face where there was a feature attached to results in an error still. It makes it viable to use the mainline instead of realthunder fork.

callcc ,

Full agree!! I use the dev version too!

morbidcactus ,

I found Freecad has become fairly intuitive if you already have traditional parametric cad experience, there's definitely a few quirks but generally super easy to adapt to if you come from solidworks, inventor and the like, trying to convince my dad to give it a try as he's been getting back into design since retiring and he's been paying for a solid works license. Personally use ondsel but mainline freecad is totally useable.

atzanteol , in I liked Fusion 360, I like Onshape - but I'd rather like something that I won't lose over the whims of one company. So, what?

I like "Solvespace" myself. It's simpler than FreeCAD and works better with the way I think of things (more focus on 2D planes). I don't do the "scan and sketch" thing though so can't speak to that. Might be worth a try.

https://solvespace.com/

n3cr0 ,

This one looks very promising to me. It's probably exactly what I was looking for, for too long.

JohnnyCanuck , in I liked Fusion 360, I like Onshape - but I'd rather like something that I won't lose over the whims of one company. So, what?
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stooovie ,
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@JohnnyCanuck @the_fourth not a CAD. Can be sort-of made one, but not ideal. Something like FreeCAD is better but both Fusion and Onshape are much better in terms of UX.

JohnnyCanuck ,
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OP didn't ask for a CAD specifically but just mentioned looking at the list of CADs, so I thought it might be worth throwing in the mix.

wccrawford ,

People have been trying to make Blender have some basic CAD functionality, but it's just not there yet.

I admit I haven't tried https://www.cadsketcher.com/ with it yet, though.

Astronomicon ,

Cadsketcher was much easier for me to pick up for designing simple parts. Still haven’t used it for anything too complicated but I couldn’t get over the FreeCAD quirks like not being able to do multiple extrudes from the same sketch.

TheMonkeyLord , in I liked Fusion 360, I like Onshape - but I'd rather like something that I won't lose over the whims of one company. So, what?

Personally I love openSCAD, but it is probably really unintuitive to someone without programming experience and even then has it's own limitations.

FreeCAD is in a weird position ATM, it is actually really good! ...just not in the stable release... The Dev version is significantly more palatable, and they even went on a feature freeze to really push through with their major 1.0 release.

For now though Onsdel (Sort of a fork of FreeCAD packaged with Dev release and UI improvements) has worked really well for me thus far!

mortalic ,

Is there a good tutorial or better yet, videos showing how to use ondsel? When I tried to use it, everything pointed at free car and the ui was too different.

TheMonkeyLord ,

I am not certain, I have used FreeCAD tutorials for Onsdel to great success.

I think what I do is just listen to the tool name they reference, and then just look where I assume it would be to find it, rather than trying to find tools in the same places as them

remotelove , in oh, sovol. get some quality assurance. sv06+ x pulley is off center

That sounds about right. QA is expensive and time consuming, so it's left up to the customer. This applies to every single part in the supply chain.

If you want a set of mitsumi linear rails for real precision applications, it's going to cost just as much or more than that printer.

This is not a "buyer beware" rant, but the buyer should know they aren't paying for consistency or precision. I am basically saying that for these printers to work reliably and with proper precision, you need to tear them down yourself and inspect each bolt.

I buy cheap Chinese stuff all the time, but my process is to tear the product down and find where costs were cut and look for any serious dangers.

Svol is well known enough that you should be able to get replacement bits for free. Or not. It's a crap shoot, TBH.

scrion ,

I think with a lot of import products you need to be aware that you'll be doing the QA and will in fact be working on the parts / product to get it to where you need it to be.

If you have the skills and the tools $280 + $3 for an unfinished pulley plus some time on the lathe or mill can still be worth it. I know this is asking a lot from a customer and maybe this particular example of a printer is not the best, i. e. it would totally be possible to manufacture this part within specs at cost, but I think the general notion still holds true.

remotelove ,

you'll be doing the QA and will in fact be working on the parts / product to get it to where you need it to be.

Absolutely. Unless a person wants to spend thousands of dollars on push button solutions that cover every imaginable use case, customization is the way to go.

For solid machines, the customer should already have an idea about what parts need to be modified. If a machine was advertised to mill a widget at +/-20% tolerance, cool. If you want to spend $500 more on a custom pully to get withing 5%, awesome. Precision is expensive and customization is niche.

For cheap machines, everything is generally ravaged by bean counters at every level of design and manufacturing. As long as people understand this and can make repairs, that is sometimes OK.

While I feel OPs pain of finding a 2¢ part that was 0.3mm off center, I can only just shrug it off. A pseudo-premium 5¢ part or building a jig for a worker to test each gear would have been quite expensive and it would probably tack on $2-$5 to the end product price. ($2-$5 actually matters on sites like Amazon or Temu and could potentially cost thousands in lost sales due to product placement.)

atocci , in Hark! For I Have Designed Another Knife. [Adélie Crossbar Locker]

Good golly I thought you said you digested another knife for a moment there. Mondays...

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