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azvasKvklenko , to Linux in How to create a bootable Linux USB drive

Unetbootin in 2024? Jeez, just use Belena Etcher for single ISO, or dd if you are already on Linux (it should work on Mac as well) or Ventoy for simply folder of your bootable isos

mfat , to Linux in How to create a bootable Linux USB drive

I use Balena Etcher.

doofy77 ,

Popsicle for me, not a fan of electron.

the_crotch , to Linux in How to create a bootable Linux USB drive

Unetbootin huh? Something tells me people capable of running a Linux-only application know how to make a Linux installer USB.

Hule ,

Unetbootin runs on Windows too..

also Mac

the_crotch ,

My bad, didn't know that

someonesmall , to Linux in How to create a bootable Linux USB drive

If you're already on linux there is no need to install special tools. Simply copy the iso directly to the USB device.

dd if=distribution.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=1M && sync

gr3q , (edited )

You can do the same with cp too. Also safer.

But I use Ventoy nowadays.

Rustmilian ,
@Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

cat works as well.

Krtek ,

oflag=sync also works instead of && sync.
Might as well drop a status=progress in there too

Red_sun_in_the_sky , to Linux in How to create a bootable Linux USB drive
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I use Rufus. It just works.

the_crotch ,

And, more importantly, works on windows. I'd imagine windows users are the target audience for a "how to make a Linux USB" walkthrough.

Crack0n7uesday ,

Easy as shit to use to.

Empathy ,

I kept seeing so many different ones recommended and I kept getting weird issues I didn't understand with most of them. I don't often need to make a bootable Linux USB, but every time, Rufus did the job quick and easy.

rotopenguin , to Linux in How to create a bootable Linux USB drive
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I would like to install a distro on a USB stick, without it doing something stupid to my internal drive's EFI.

Anarchistcowboy ,

I see people say this a lot and I have no experience with this but I wonder why you wouldn't use a USB nvme SSD enclosure it seems a lot easier and idk if running it over USB would limit the speed but it could preform better than a USB stick.

rotopenguin ,
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A dumb little stick is fine for the occasional "fix something up" or "take a snapshot of a Windows drive because dd is objectively better than anything that Windows itself could do". A live iso distro precludes me from adding a handful of other useful tools.

Hule ,

"persistent storage" is a thing.

But USB drives can't endure standard Linux for long. Too many logs and other files written all the time..

fin , to Linux in How to create a bootable Linux USB drive

Some people need everything to have a GUI. They evaporate as soon as they’re required to open the terminal.

DmMacniel ,

Isn't it cool that you only need to use the terminal when you really need it? Simple tasks as flashing an usb stick shouldnt require knowledge of the terminal.

fin ,

If you’re talking about me I didn’t say that I’m one of those. I love CLI and rather hate GUI.

theshatterstone54 ,

And that's why It's great to have choice. Also, if you start off in CLI, it can be quite overwhelming. The first time I had to partition my drive I was super scared not to mess it up. A few months later I knew exactly what I was doing.... when I was using a graphical installer or Gparted. Earlier today, I partitioned my drive using cfdisk (fdisk feels kinda painful; press this, then this, and if, like me, you don't know the commands by heart, it can take too long), and I installed Arch manually cuz I was bored. It was my first time doing a manual install with systemd-boot (always did grub in the past), so I didn't realise I had to write my own boot entries for all 3 kernels (mainline, zen and lts), and because of font issues, I just switched back to Fedora (going up a version from 39 to 40 in the process) where I had an issue with a qt component that meant my sddm theme was not working. It isn't the theme's fault, that's for sure, as it worked perfectly on Fedora 39 and elsewhere, and because pretty much all themes I could find relied on this qt module (it's qtgraphicaleffects, packaged as qt5-qtgraphicaleffects on Fedora) , I got a bit angry and then sat down and rewrote the theme, removing any dependency on graphicaleffects (was only used for drop shadows in some popups), though for some reason some of the colours also got a bit funky but it works and it works well (I also had to hide one of the popups but it wasn't an essential one).

But I digress. Point is, if it's more comfortable for you, you'll use it. If it isn't but you want it to be, then to ill force yourself to use and get better. If you don't, you just won't. That's the power of choice in Linux.

fin ,

For example, when you want to install desktop environments, you need to use CLI. There’s no GUI option. I guess that’s why Linux is considered “difficult” for Windows/MacOS users, while they can use Chromebook, which is also Linux.

The point of original post is how zdnet is trying to let people use Linux, right?

DmMacniel ,

No GUI option you say? Then why can I for example install Kde-full via mints app store? Or any Desktop meta package via Synaptic.

Also ChromeOS Is as much Linux as Android is. Barely.

Sylvartas ,

Good thing that the existence of a GUI for a program doesn't prevent you from using its CLI version then !

Gormadt , to Linux in How to create a bootable Linux USB drive
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Personally I use Ventoy

Basically I can just throw a whole bunch of ISOs on a USB drive and when I boot it it brings me to a menu to pick which one I want to boot

It's freaking great

I've got various windows ISOs and Linux distros just living on a 64GB flash drive

CosmicTurtle0 ,

It must have gotten better than the last time I tried to use Ventoy. Maybe 5 years ago? It kept complaining that the USB drive I was using was bad when it worked completely fine with other tools.

Gormadt ,
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It has gotten a lot better over the years

That was basically my first experience with it as well also about 5 years ago

Nowadays it works like a dream come true for every OS I've thrown on the drive

governorkeagan ,

I tried a couple of months ago on my Windows PC and something went wrong somewhere and my USB was stuck in a permanent read-only state.

I definitely will give it another try though, it's super handy to have.

I'm an idiot and got Ventoy confused with another program I was testing at the time. Please ignore me.

Empricorn ,

Was it VampBoy? I accidentally ordered one and opened the crate to find a sexy, undead Twink. ☹️ I wanted to nerd-out with Linux!!!

penquin ,
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Ventoy is great. It was a bit confusing when I first ran into it. It installed, but I didn't know what happened. Lmao. I think I installed it like 10 times because it wasn't telling me what it did, but then the light bulb went off. Aaaaaah.
I was trying to install windows on a laptop and it was being a bitch on the USB stick, and Ventoy made it work.

billwashere ,

Yeah totally go with Ventoy. I had an external device that basically did the same thing but it was a pain in the ass. Little screen and you pick an iso on the drive and it simulated a CD rom. Ventoy is so much simpler. My only complaint is there isn’t an installer that works on a Mac so I have to use Windows. But other than that it’s awesome.

Empricorn ,

Huh, never tried it. It has persistent storage? Updates? Security?

I'm currently using MX Linux for my Persistent, Live USB of choice, but apparently I need to check out Ventoy?

pineapplelover ,

Best way to have a bootable USB

cygnus , to Linux in How to create a bootable Linux USB drive
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Uh yeah OK, I doubt anyone in c/linux didn't know how to do this already

floofloof ,

ZDNet content is 100% worthless these days.

jjlinux ,

Has been for a few years now.

Fidel_Cashflow ,
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I will say, as someone who has been looking for a simple way to install Linux on my Windows desktop at home, this is incredibly useful. Doubly so as I'm not very experienced with installing OS's and Linux can look very intimidating to an outsider looking in!

cygnus ,
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I stand corrected then - welcome aboard! Linux is much easier to get into now than even just 5 years ago.

bizzle ,
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Ugh I switched to Arch full time 5 years ago and I had to walk to the servers uphill both ways in the snow. Kids today don't know how good they have it.

cygnus ,
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Archinstall didn't exist 5 years ago, so this is actually true!

bizzle ,
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I spent three days trying to get pulseaudio to work, 10 out of 10 can't recommend enough

andrefsp , to Linux in How to create a bootable Linux USB drive
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Isn't that just 'sudo cp image.iso /dev/sdX && sync' ?

DmMacniel ,

The only thing you would have achieved that was would be to copy an iso file onto your stick. EFI or Boot doesn't know how to do anything with it.

melmi ,
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A lot of Linux ISOs are hybrid images which can be booted if flashed directly to a USB stick.

DmMacniel ,

Op was just using cp to copy the iso onto the drive no flashing or anything...

someonesmall ,

The cp command will write the ISO file directly onto the device. This is the official way that is recommended by Debian:

cp debian.iso /dev/sdX

Source: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.en.html

DmMacniel ,

Woah...

Damn I'm sorry for questioning this method, I didn't know.

melmi ,
@melmi@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

This works because block devices like /dev/sdX are just files. If you cp a file onto another file, it overwrites the data of the destination with the source. A block device represents the device itself, not the filesystem; if you wanted to put the ISO inside the filesystem, you'd have to mount it first.

DmMacniel ,

Next time I'll test out another distro I'll try just that... Sadly I just hopped yesterday from Fedora 40 to LMDE.

nous ,

Not technically. unetbootin and some similar tools like rufus take the USB, partition it, and copy the contents of the disk to it after manually setting up a bootloader on it. This is not required for most Linux ISOs though where you can just cp or dd the image directly to the USB as they are already setup with all that on the image. But other ISOs, like I believe Windows ones have a filesystem on them that is not vfat so cannot be directly copied. Although these days for windows you just need to format the USB as vfat and copy the contents of the windows ISO (aka the files inside it, not the iso filesystem) to the filesystem.

I tend to find unetbootin and rufus break more ISOs then they actually help with though. Personally I find ventoy is the better approach overall, just copy the ISO as a file to the USB filesystem (and you can copy multiple ones as well).

boredsquirrel , to Linux in How to create a bootable Linux USB drive

No shit I think flashing ISOs is now fine that we have Impression, Fedora Media writer und the KDE Usb flash tool.

But how the hell do you install Tails? May have to do that again, but last times it was never bootable.

SnotFlickerman , to Linux in How to create a bootable Linux USB drive
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Any "How To" that doesn't just use Rufus isn't worth the page its text is rendered on. Rufus can do Linux boot disks, but is indispensable for Windows boot disk utilities. It's one of the only ways I know of to make a Windows ToGo installation (equivalent of a Linux Live USB), which I used to install Windows on a friends SD card for their Steam Deck so they can dual-boot.

https://rufus.ie/en/

If you're looking to make a Linux boot USB from Linux itself, BalenaEtcher is probably a better bet since Rufus is Windows-only.

https://github.com/balena-io/etcher

I've noticed there's tons of how-to's for making a bootable disk on Windows, hardly any for Linux. Perhaps we ought to remedy that?

yo_scottie_oh ,

Ventoy for life

30p87 ,

Arch currently doesn't work with it :c

traches ,

It doesn’t? Been a month or two since I updated the ISO but I’ve never had a problem

lemmyreader ,

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/USB_flash_installation_medium#Using_ventoy

Note: archlinux-2024.05.01-x86_64.iso should be run in GRUB2 mode to work. See Ventoy issue #2825.

30p87 ,

I thought I tried that too, but I'll try again then lol

Pattyice ,

some distros have it built into it like Mint I was able to create a bookable drive of also mint

SnotFlickerman ,
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Neat, I wasn't aware of that for Mint.

Successful_Try543 ,

For Linux you don't need a GUI tool, most how tos just dd the ISO onto the USB medium, e.g.

sudo dd if=<file> of=<device> bs=16M status=progress oflag=sync

like described in the Debian FAQs

SnotFlickerman ,
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Man, Google really does suck now. It feels nearly impossible to get something like a how-to deep in the Debian FAQs to come up, as it mostly surfaces this auto-generated SEO crap for How To's.

Very cool, I'd assumed there was a simple command line set of commands, just was failing to find it. Thanks.

s38b35M5 ,
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Man, Google really does suck now. It feels nearly impossible to get something like a how-to deep in the Debian FAQs to come up, as it mostly surfaces this auto-generated SEO crap

By design. The longer you're Googling, the more ads they can sell.

...Ben Gomes – a long-tenured googler who helped define the company during its best years – lost a fight with Prabhakar Raghavan, a computer scientist turned manager whose tactic for increasing the number of search queries (and thus the number of ads the company could show to searchers) was to decrease the quality of search. That way, searchers would have to spend more time on Google before they found what they were looking for.

orsetto ,
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I don't remember where, but i read that this method only works because linux distributors "abuse" the ISO format to allow this. If I remember right, it's not possible to use this ISOs on regular disks

Of course the command you provided is right and it's what I use, it's just a fun fact

Successful_Try543 ,

Yes and no, it's the other way round. The ISOs often are hybrid images which you can burn onto a CD/DVD or dd onto a USB pen drive. Until approximately 10-15 years ago, if I remember correctly, the distributed Linux ISOs where standard not hybrid images, thus you always needed some other program to create bootable USB media.

wildbus8979 ,

If you want to create fully custom boot images the command debootstick is pretty cool too!

It's essentially a wrapper for debootstrap that creates bootable images. It can create both live and installer images.

qemu-debootstrap is also super useful if you want to customize and image for a different architecture (for example building custom RPi images).

SnotFlickerman ,
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qrmu-debootstrap is also super useful if you want to customize and image for a different architecture (for example building custom RPi images).

Super useful information, thanks!

EDIT: Is this anything like the isorespinner.sh? I've previously used that to get Linux on an RCA Cambio W101 because it needed a fancy ISO since it has a 32-bit bootloader and a 64-bit CPU.

traches ,

‘dd if=image.iso of=/dev/do_not_fuck_this_up bs=4M’ is a complete tutorial

t0mri ,

cp *.iso /dev/disk

or

pv *.iso > /dev/disk

flyos , (edited )
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I tried Windows ToGo on a few USB keys (including two high-speed ones), never managed to get something I could actually use that was not laggy AF, to the point it's not usable (dozens of minutes to boot, lags of entire minutes and so on). Did I do something wrong?

PlexSheep , to Linux in If all kernel bugs are security bugs, how do you keep your Linux safe?

Security is not a binary variable, but managed in terms of risk. Update your stuff, don't expose it to the open Internet if it doesn't need it, and so on. If it's a server, it should probably have unattended upgrades.

qaz ,

If it's a server, it should probably have unattended upgrades.

Interesting opinion, I've always heard that unattended upgrades were a terrible option for servers because it might randomly break your system or reboot when an important service is running.

taladar ,

There are two schools of thought here. The "never risk anything that could potentially break something" school and the "make stuff robust enough that it will deal with broken states". Usually the former doesn't work so well once something actually breaks.

PlexSheep ,

Both my Debian 12 servers run with unattended upgrades. I've never had anything break from the changes in packages, I think. I tend to use docker and on one even lxc containers (proxmox), but the lxc containers also have unattended upgrades running.

Do you just update your stuff manually or do you not update at all? I'm subscribed to the Debian security mailing list, and they frequently find something that means people should upgrade, recently something with the glibc.

Debian especially is focused on being very stable, so updating should never break anything that wasn't broken before. Sometimes docker containers don't like to restart so they refuse, but then I did something stupid.

qaz ,

I used to check the cockpit web interface every once in a while, but I've tried to enable unattended updates today. It doesn't actually seem to work, but I planned on switching to Nix anyway.

PlexSheep ,

I don't use Cockpit, I just followed the Debian wiki guide to enabling unattended upgrades. As fast as I remember you have to apt install something and change a few lines in the config file.

It's also good to have SMTP set up, so your server will notify you when something happens, you can configure what exactly.

exu ,
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Not having automated updates can quickly lead to not doing updates at all. Same goes for backups.

Whenever possible, one should automate tedious stuff.

qaz ,

Thanks for the reminder to check my backups

Catsrules , to Linux in If all kernel bugs are security bugs, how do you keep your Linux safe?

Best way I found it running this command

rm -rf /

Then do a reboot just to be sure.

Good luck compromising my system after that.

FYI This is a joke Don't actually run this command :)

possiblylinux127 ,
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sudo apt-get remove systemd (don't actually run this)

lemmyng , to Linux in If all kernel bugs are security bugs, how do you keep your Linux safe?
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Just because it has a CVE number doesn't mean it's exploitable. Of the 800 CVEs, which ones are in the KEV catalogue? What are the attack vectors? What mitigations are available?

taladar ,

The idea that it is somehow possible to determine that for each and every bug is a crazy fantasy by the people who don't like to update to the latest version.

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