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Teknikal , to Technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back
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All I want from an Os is to launch my programs of choice and not suck up my battery running unnecessary junk I couldn't care less about.

MIDItheKID ,

The worst part is that Windows can do that, but Microsoft insists on enshittifying it. Like Windows 11 isn't that terrible if it wasn't for all of the data collection and advertisements and other shit.

I miss the Windows 7 days where you could download a stripped down ISO that was just the OS. It launched your programs of choice and didn't suck up your battery running unnecessary junk.

nossaquesapao ,

Last week, I went to a friend's house and asked to use her computer, which is still a core 2 duo with 2gb of ram and an hdd, running win7. I was a bit surprised to see her family having it as their only computer, but more surprised to see how fast it was. I expected to have the most laggish experience of my life, but it was.. smooth. I've used machines with much modern low end cpus, more ram and ssds that performed much worse than that on win10. The enshittification is real.

MIDItheKID ,

Yup. I can say for sure that SSDs were certainly a game changer, but now we have systems with like 10x the processing power that operate at the same speeds because the power has been spent on poorly optimized code and bloatware.

Sigh... I'm going to have to start fucking around with Linux, aren't I?

bluewing ,

Yeah, the signs are starting to manifest. You will embrace the penguin at some point to get what you desire.

ProgrammingSocks , to Technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back

Stallman just keeps being right*

*About software freedom

ninekeysdown ,
@ninekeysdown@lemmy.world avatar

lol, yeah that’s an important asterisk for sure!

Dra , to Technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back

Buy a mac or support steamOS adoption or just get a linux distro. This will drive the improvement of nontechnical consumer GNU/Linux

trslim ,

I cant believe im actually supporting the sentence "buy a mac" but its far far better than what ever microsoft is doing, and if you arent computer literate enough to install linux, its a decent alternative to windows.

bitwaba ,

Apple is going to start cramming their AI the throat of all users in the next year or two as well.

Just... No.

Diplomjodler3 , to Privacy in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back

Do you have a few minutes to talk about our Lord and Saviour, Linus Torvalds?

Mango ,

Something something Richard Stallman something.

Rentlar ,

This picture of rms comes to mind whenever I or someone evangelizes Linux in a Windows thread:

https://images.uncyc.org/commons/8/87/Richard_Stallman_santo.jpg

_______ ,

That picture is as old as RMS

secretlyaddictedtolinux , to Technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back

Most male computer uses watch porn and would not want an AI to log that. Many women find porn sickening and don't understand it and will never understand male urges that result in watching it. The fact that this got into a finished product tells you a lot about Microsoft's corporate culture.

No one working there really cares about the company enough to bring up uncomfortable issues, they are all there just to get their paycheck and actual outcomes be damned. The culture their must be toxic for this product to have been put into a product enabled by default.

If this was a top-down decision and there was no input by others into it, it leads to questions over whether this feature was forced to be included by the government, which can easily require corporations to do anything and then issue gag orders and whether it was some sort of test to see how much intrusive spying bullshit that regular consumers will tolerate now. If this was a feature that was forced into the product, the plan may have been to turn it off by default after negative feedback, but then just keep it in the program for when governments want to turn it on. Governments may have realized it in any capacity such a terrible feature would result in outrage and may have thought this was the path of least resistance, like saying "Would you like to eat a bowl of shit? No, okay, we'll just give you these brussel sprouts"

JasSmith ,

Most male computer uses watch porn and would not want an AI to log that. Many women find porn sickening and don’t understand it and will never understand male urges that result in watching it. The fact that this got into a finished product tells you a lot about Microsoft’s corporate culture.

Excellent point. We saw exactly the same phenomenon play out with Google and Gemini. The tool created racially diverse Nazis. Even a few minutes with the tool revealed major issues. There must have been hundreds of people who witnessed the slow moving train crash in realtime, but were either unwilling or unable to speak out. I think these companies have clearly cultivated a hierarchical culture of fear and intimidation. I recently left a job in which my manager was ex-Google. The stories she would tell were appalling. Her command-and-control style was, frankly, disgusting. She permitted zero critical feedback or discussion. It was her way or "fuck off." I found that very instructive as to how these companies have morphed into shells of their formers selves. I'm not bullish on the future of these companies. They're coasting very well on the fumes of their historical successes, and I think their demise is all but assured.

secretlyaddictedtolinux ,

lol, you're the only one who liked my post apparently. everyone else hates it!

Rekorse ,

I dont hate your original post, its just somewhat confusing and disjointed.

Could you expand on your first paragraph? I feel like I'm missing context there especially to connect the first and second sentence.

Also, what is your overall point?

secretlyaddictedtolinux ,

The point of the first two sentences is that because there is a large gender divide on whether porn is acceptable, a lot of times men and women don't discuss porn because the subject will lead to conflict. This isn't true of all members of both genders. Since corporations often have a mix of genders, bringing up the topic of porn and how a feature could alienate porn viewers would be an uncomfortable topic that would be easier to avoid because men and women find the topic uncomfortable often for different reasons. In Microsoft's case, it seems like no one at Microsoft brought up how male porn watchers might not like AI watching their pornhub history and recording it to a file, despite it seeming like it would be an obvious concern to any male at Microsoft who watches porn, and likely many do. These means their corporate culture is so selfish on their own career protection and focused on not offending others that they let a really bad feature that many hate go to market instead of talking openly how this would be a disaster out of fear that it could cause workplace conflict.

So instead of saving millions of dollars in costs and damage to the brand, everyone at Microsoft aware of this problem just said nothing. That's a terrible corporate culture. If a product isn't going to work, even uncomfortable discussions should be had if it saves millions.

My point overall was that it's shocking this made it into the product. It's such a bad idea for a feature on multiple levels, that it seems like employees did not openly talk about this.

My other point was that if Microsoft employees didn't drop the ball, then this feature may have been forced into the project by a government order of some kind, which can and does happen in closed source software. Although hidden backdoors are often secret, the government could equally compel a large unlocked window at the front be added as well.

secretlyaddictedtolinux ,

There needs to be a way to have an inclusive corporate culture that celebrates cultures and backgrounds but also allows brutal honesty about products without people being afraid of accidentally offending others or being too indifferent to the corporation's success to speak up.

A lot of it probably relates to how often people are fired and how short tenures are with companies. If you have a short tenure with a company or are expecting to, does it matter if Company A does well instead of Company B or Company C? It probably doesn't, and with social media capturing one wrong offensive faux paus for eternity (by which I mean until the planet becomes uninhabitable 300 years from now), workers have every incentive to let disasters like this go to market.

I am judging Microsoft employees but likely would have said nothing if I were there too. With all the layoffs in tech, why risk it to say something controversial? Even my initial post on this got down-voted into the depths of an abyss just for mentioning that men and women see pornography in different ways sometimes, which should hardly be controversial. I don't know whether the votes were from men or women, but actually I imagine more women than men down-voted it, and even this guess will probably lead to additional down-votes.

I dislike people like Elon Musk for his cruelty towards transgender people (despite his admirable intelligence), and I dislike Donald Trump for his cruelty towards those who are different in any way, but I also feel like people should be able to have discussions about actual uncomfortable subjects without it being automatically offensive. The fact I was so heavily down-voted immediately tends to illustrate my point.

gravitas_deficiency , to Technology in Microsoft postpones Windows Recall after major backlash — will launch Copilot+ PCs without headlining AI feature

Lmao they recalled Recall

Clbull , (edited ) to Technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back

It's not gonna affect their bottom line though. Microsoft are doing it because they know they can get away with it and drag the bar so low that they'd make RealNetworks circa 1999 look like privacy-respecting saints.

Your average Joe cannot afford the second mortgage needed to finance a MacBook purchase, and they'd have an aneurysm if presented with a Linux terminal.

And don't even get me started on business and professional use. Many businesses rely on proprietary or even bespoke software that doesn't run well, sometimes not even at all on Linux. FOSS alternatives are often dogshit. And before you dispute me on that fact, can you name one web designer that would use Affinity Photo, GIMP or PDN over Photoshop? Or could you name one person that prefer AbiWord, OpenOffice or LibreOffice to Microsoft Word?

PC Gaming is one of those use-cases that has evolved by leaps and bounds... until you realize just how many multiplayer games rely on a form of anticheat. Many of these solutions are straight-up incompatible with Linux.

Blackmist , to Technology in Microsoft addresses Windows Recall backlash, promises to fix security issues and make it opt-in

Surely it's opt in anyway, seeing as you need some special wanky laptop with a magical AI bollocks chip for it to work.

NutWrench , to Technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back
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Microsoft lost my trust a long time ago. For the last 10-15 years, my only relationship with them is, "how much sh*t am I willing to put up with before I switch to something else?"

And CoPilot/Recall was the breaking point.

Sabata11792 , to Technology in Microsoft addresses Windows Recall backlash, promises to fix security issues and make it opt-in
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"We won't turn it on and will never use it to spy on you" says government backed surveillance monopoly know for sneaking spyware into products and making it impossible to remove.

NutWrench , to Technology in Microsoft addresses Windows Recall backlash, promises to fix security issues and make it opt-in
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How do you "fix" the security issues of a program that is literally designed to spy on you?

I've just switched to Linux Mint and I'm not ever coming back. That's how I "fixed it."

Ascend910 , (edited ) to Technology in Microsoft addresses Windows Recall backlash, promises to fix security issues and make it opt-in

"Make it opt-in" (for 6 months)
At this point, Microsoft is the biggest advisement for Linux desktop

thezeesystem , to Privacy in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back

Sadly a lot of people can't just ditch windows due to various reasons out of there control. Microcrap is so good embedded with this society that they can do shit like this and not take a hit.

Sam_Bass , to Technology in Microsoft addresses Windows Recall backlash, promises to fix security issues and make it opt-in

Rather than not install it to begin with. Leeches

bokherif , to Technology in Microsoft addresses Windows Recall backlash, promises to fix security issues and make it opt-in

It feels like these huge ass companies are just testing people's reactions before they do something these days.

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