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darkphotonstudio , to Technology in Maven Imported 1.12 Million Fediverse Posts

I wouldn't have a problem with all this scraping, if these companies had to release their models trained on this data as open source.

esaru ,

That's a great idea. Can we not apply a license to that social content that forces AI models trained on it to be open source?

sfera , to Technology in Maven Imported 1.12 Million Fediverse Posts

I was confused for a minute, not understanding what (Apache) Maven has to do with social networks.

Pekka ,
@Pekka@feddit.nl avatar

Maybe we have some bias on this topic, but I had the same thought. Maven is such a well known tool in IT, that I'm surprised they just created a social network with the same name. Until they get a bit famous this won't be good for SEO.

IllNess , to Technology in Maven Imported 1.12 Million Fediverse Posts

If we hit these AI companies with targeted suing, like how Scientology got their way with the IRS, maybe we then they can listen to not steal our shit.

The MPAA and RIAA have created all these laws and used our own government againat us. Maybe we can use these same laws and do the same.

Freeman , to Technology in Maven Imported 1.12 Million Fediverse Posts

They pulled DMs of two users of the same instance?!
Quite concerning tbh

skullgiver ,
@skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl avatar

ActivityPub doesn't do DMs per se. Many ActivityPub implementations will use AP messages that are not posted on any public list or timeline. Basically, a Tweet with visibility set to "only people mentioned in this thread".

This design makes it quite easy for AP servers to misimplement DMs. Asking a server for all messages of a particular user (to get their timeline) and forgetting to filter out messages not published globally is trivial to get wrong.

ActivityPub DMs are, in my opinion, not a good feature. This has come up before in Mastodon, where DMs mentioning a third account will add that account to the thread and destination of all future messages (and possibly authorise it for accessing past messages); one mention will give them full access to your "direct" messages.

I doubt this scraper did anything wrong here, I think it's just a matter of a buggy server or users sending DMs that aren't really DMs because of Fediverse software with GUI design flaws.

Edit: looks like it's probably a Mastodon bug: https://hackers.town/@thegibson/112604700601089641

jherazob ,
@jherazob@beehaw.org avatar

I recall somebody's working on actual, E2EE Mastodon DMs, but couldn't give you details, i guess when it's ready we'll know when people start using it

Peter1986C ,
@Peter1986C@lemmings.world avatar

That would be Sup: https://github.com/theSupApp

By the same person who started Pixelfed.

jherazob ,
@jherazob@beehaw.org avatar

How the hell does he do so much? 😄

4am ,

Seems if the messages are sent in an inherently insecure fashion, all one would need to do is set up an instance that purposefully does not filter out all the things it’s supposed to be kind/competent enough to filter out, and boom it has everything.

skullgiver ,
@skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl avatar

Yes, just like on twitter, reddit, and most of the other platforms the Fediverse is trying to replace, server admins are free to read your messages. There's no encryption. The Fediverse just adds more server admins to the mix.

I would not recommend using the DM function on most Fediverse platforms for things you'd like to keep private. While in most cases there are no privacy risks, there are also very few guardrails to ensure that.

You're better off using a federated platform with encryption support like Matrix or XMPP. Neither of those are very safe if you don't verify the other's keys (although neither is any other chat service, even Signal) but both are much safer.

If it weren't for the lack of shared credentials, I would've expected someone to add a minimal secure chat client to the Lemmy frontend already. Especially on the servers that host a Matrix server already

kevincox ,
@kevincox@lemmy.ml avatar

It's not "inherently insecure" at least not to that degree. (Once could argue that lack of E2EE is insecure.) If you stand up an unrelated instance you shouldn't be able to access private messages that don't relate to an account on your instance. So only bugs in your instance, or your conversation partner's instance, will be able to leak those messages.

threelonmusketeers , to Fediverse in Maven Imported 1.12 Million Fediverse Posts

I was confused on what they were trying to accomplish, and even after reading the article I am still somewhat confused.

Instead, when a user posts something, the algorithm automatically reads the content and tags it with relevant interests so it shows up on those pages. Users can turn up the serendipity slider to branch out beyond their stated interests, and the algorithm running the platform connects users with related interests.

Perhaps I'm a minority, but I don't see myself getting much utility out of this. I already know what my interests are, and don't have much interest in growing them algorithmically. If a topic is really interesting, I'll eventually find out about it via an actual human.

technomad ,

Yeah, we're trying to get the fuck away from algorithms. That's what makes the fediverse such a big draw currently, for me.

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

You're on slrpnk.net, I assume it's not implementing any of this stuff. As long as you don't sign up for Maven I don't see how this is going to affect you.

SolarPunker , to Fediverse in FediVision 2024 is Live! Listen and Vote!

I don't like Eurovision and I don't like competition.

fluxion ,

I don't like things as well

BarrierWithAshes , to Fediverse in FediVision 2024 is Live! Listen and Vote!
@BarrierWithAshes@kbin.social avatar

Wow, had no idea this was a thing. I'm gonna check these out. Man I'm so entering next year.

Blaze , to Fediverse in FediVision 2024 is Live! Listen and Vote!
@Blaze@reddthat.com avatar

Interesting, knowing !lemmyvision happened not so long ago

db0 , to Fediverse in A Primer on Mastodon's New Board Members

Seriously, if the damn creator of mastodon it's making 60k Eur in Germany, there's no hope for Foss being sustainable.

Atramentous , to Technology in A Primer on Mastodon's New Board Members

Overall seems like a pretty balanced board. Al Shafei and Bezuidenhout have backgrounds aligned with the type of Mastodon I want to see. The lawyer guy dabbles in crypto law, but also did tons of pro bono work for Mastodon. Seems to me like he’s just passionate about emerging tech. Biz Stone is also an interesting inclusion. He’s obviously well connected to the VC space but has been pretty critical of Elon Twitter.

HeartyBeast ,
@HeartyBeast@kbin.social avatar

Yeh. I’m pretty comfortable with this broad mix.

MxRemy , to Fediverse in A Primer on Mastodon's New Board Members

Some parts of the Mastodon community are hostile towards VC Funding, AI, and cryptocurrency, particularly because of their entanglement with enshittification and hype cycles. These people are worried that this relationship will lead Mastodon down an unhealthy path that prioritizes the wrong things. It’s a totally understandable concern, but it’s important to remember the mission and purpose of Mastodon’s US entity: to manage and raise donations in the United States. This is not an executive department making decisions for the Mastodon project, and they aren’t shareholders expecting to make some kind of financial returns. A healthy board requires a diverse set of opinions and experiences that educate the real decision-makers so they can get multiple perspectives on problems they need to solve. It seems like this board’s variety of backgrounds has been set up to do exactly that.

...This really doesn't soothe my concerns at all! Actually, up until right now, I hadn't even been paying enough attention to have concerns. So... if anything, this article has inspired concerns I didn't already have.

It's like if the server at a restaurant came up to you and said "now I know what you're thinking... we did in fact recently hire some cannibals. But they only work in the business office, not the kitchen!"

Plopp ,

Yeah I had no idea. Now I have one and I'm immediately considering moving to a different fedi microblog platform. I've already lost quite a bit of trust for Rochko due to his extreme eagerness to federate with Meta.

ericjmorey ,
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The people who are in charge of collecting donations and deciding how those funds are used absolutely have power that can be used to exert control.

The caníbals are in the kitchen and are now have control which can be used to decide on the procurement of food.

nutsack , to Fediverse in You can now bridge Fediverse and Bluesky Accounts!

I don't understand what this means but I've been over there and it's weird

aniki , to Fediverse in You can now bridge Fediverse and Bluesky Accounts!

gross

capital ,

Idk I’m a fan of open standards.

DaseinPickle , to Fediverse in You can now bridge Fediverse and Bluesky Accounts!

I still dont understand why we need bluesky.

deadsuperhero OP ,

It's a different approach with different ideas. It uses open protocols, focuses on data and account portability, and incorporates peer-to-peer concepts in its architecture. The vision behind Bluesky is to build a global square with these concepts.

I definitely wish they would've extended ActivityPub and collaborated on the wider network, but I kind of understand wanting to start from scratch and not get involved with the cultural debt Mastodon brought to the network.

sabreW4K3 ,
@sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al avatar

Come now Sean, you know that everything open about BlueSky is smoke and mirrors, considering that everything stops and starts with the indexer.

deadsuperhero OP ,

I can't tell whether this is serious or sarcastic 😅

As far as the "global square" part of the equation is concerned: yeah, you're right! A firehose of public statuses requires indexing to work, as a basic foundational premise.

However, there's nothing preventing someone from standing up a PDS, opting out of the firehose / big graph service, and instead leaning on federation between individual PDSes. I'm not saying it would necessarily be a common use-case, but it's definitely not impossible.

ericjmorey ,
@ericjmorey@discuss.online avatar

Isn't that the same issue with ActivityPub and the instances that host accounts and messages?

sabreW4K3 ,
@sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al avatar

No. With ActivityPub, it's totally decentralized. There's no central authority whatsoever. What there is however, is an instance that's bigger than the rest. So if we talk about Lemmy. I can access it and post and my ISP can block Lemmy World and I'd never know.

With BlueSky, it pretends to be similar, but the reality is that everything needs to go through their central server in order to be displayed on a timeline. BlueSky is designed in such a way so that everyone does the heavy lifting, but to be seen, you need to have approval from their central server, where they can modify, insert adverts, do whatever. It's a centralised service that cosplays as decentralised. I don't understand why people keep pushing it when it's literally the same shit we all escaped from but with a new paint job.

ericjmorey ,
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With BlueSky, it pretends to be similar, but the reality is that everything needs to go through their central server in order to be displayed on a timeline.

They have been saying that this is an implementation detail that will change when they open up that part of their implementation. Which is nice, but until that happens I'm only lukewarm in my optimism for Bluesky and the AT protocol.

On the other hand, every federated network has converged on a central host for the vast majority of accounts and data. That host has outsized influence over the standard used on the network and unencrypted acess to the majority of data. So I'm not sure what really matters to what extent.

abrahambelch ,
@abrahambelch@programming.dev avatar

I don't see any need for BlueSky at all when there already is a great network in the form of Mastodon. I mean all (most) of the ideas you mentioned apply one-to-one to Mastodon as well. To me they have very similar ideas.

ericjmorey ,
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Mastodon's moderation model is very different than BlueSky. BlueSky's seems to be much better for targeted individuals and groups. But things aren't entirely hashed out on either protocol or their implementations. We'll see how it goes.

clgoh ,

Unlike ActivityPub, account migration with the AT protocol should allow to move content.

magnetosphere ,
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Out of context, “I still dont understand why we need bluesky” sounds like something an oil executive would say. In context, I completely agree.

maxenmajs ,
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It's not ideal but it is in place to accept the normie Twitter refugees as Twitter turns into an alt-right propaganda platform run by a shitty AI that promotes false stories.

A_A , to Fediverse in You can now bridge Fediverse and Bluesky Accounts!
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This seems very dangerous : just look at the photograph !

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