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Corvidae , to World News in Byron Bay is to be stripped of its nudist beach – and naturists blame ‘conservative creep’

Sorry to read that. How dare you sun yourself as nature intended. /s

NoIWontPickAName , to World News in Byron Bay is to be stripped of its nudist beach – and naturists blame ‘conservative creep’

They worded conservative creep perfectly to be completely misleading

str82L ,
@str82L@lemmy.world avatar

Weirdly it was only on reading your comment that I saw the ambiguity. I quite like it.

dalekcaan ,

Misleading yet entirely accurate

LimpRimble , to science in Toxic PFAS absorbed through skin at levels higher than previously thought
@LimpRimble@lemmy.ca avatar

The British Columbia government has filed a class-action lawsuit against manufacturers of so-called "forever chemicals" it says are involved in the widespread contamination of drinking water systems.

Attorney General Niki Sharma says the province is the first Canadian jurisdiction to sue makers of perfluoroalkyl and polyfluoroalkyl, known as PFAS chemicals.

B.C. has filed similar class-action lawsuits in the past, targeting tobacco manufacturers in 1998 and opioid makers in 2018 to recover health-care costs associated with those substances.
B.C. launches lawsuit against makers of 'forever chemicals'

yokonzo , to World News in Byron Bay is to be stripped of its nudist beach – and naturists blame ‘conservative creep’

Its a cultural thing, in Japan and Europe its the opposite, nudity is considered less extreme than violence

frezik ,

Japan seems to have picked up more American-like attitudes about nudity over the decades. Older anime had a lot more ecchi nudity than current stuff, including anime that was meant for a younger crowd.

For example (NSFW link): https://animebathscenewiki.com/index.php?title=Mobile_Suit_Gundam/Episode_22

I may be making assumptions about a whole culture based on one aspect of it, though.

ggtdbz ,

I understand that the subject of the OP is community space specifically for shedding judgement and all that, but

That URL is very suspect, even knowing that not all anime is made for kids

frezik ,

OG Gundam was totally made for kids. It's cheesy as fuck, but it also had nude ecchi scenes. And yeah, it's not the sort of site I would normally link, but it's the most comprehensive one for showing the point in this case.

Danquebec ,

Judging from the screenshots, it seems to be completely non-sexualized. You could hardly get aroused by looking at the woman's body there.

frezik ,

I wish I could find a video--this scene is on the DVD version--but it's definitely ecchi (lighthearted sexual humor). It's pretty obvious in the dialog. Basically, one of the boys remarks how the older teenage girl has boobs and the younger girl doesn't.

Syrc ,

Ehh… that depends too. Here in Italy there’s plenty of people that wouldn’t bat an eye at their 10-year old playing CoD and shooting people in the most graphic ways possible, as long as there’s no female nipples in sight.

clearedtoland , to World News in Byron Bay is to be stripped of its nudist beach – and naturists blame ‘conservative creep’

Someday I hope to build up the courage to visit/participate a nudist beach. It seems far more comfortable and “normal” in Europe than in the States from my travels. Remarkably humanizing.

Num10ck ,

its surprisingly a nothing burger. from 50+ feet away a nude elderly man looks quite similar to a nude elderly woman. the breeze is the best part.

SeaJ ,

Went to one while in Spain. The spectrum was roughly the same as you would see at any beach. There were no creepers hanging around or anyone who was judgy.

clearedtoland ,

I experienced the same at “regular” beaches out in Greece. Topless women and Speedos were just as normal as any other beachgoer. It was really rather relaxing thinking back to it now.

Hugh_Jeggs ,

The Speedos were the French. They do love their budgie-smugglers for some reason

targetx ,
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It used to be required at a lot of camping pools because the longer shorts would take too much water out of the pool.. nowadays it's not often required anymore in my experience.

Hugh_Jeggs ,

It's still required at pools because the downhill (VTT) bikers will wear board shorts, get covered in mud then try to just walk into swimming pools with them

PrimeMinisterKeyes ,

Because topless != nude in most of Europe. Hell, you can see topless women at pretty much any seashore when it's warm enough.

bdonvr ,

There's one in my area of Florida. It's the busiest part of the beach lol. Other people get judgy if you tell them you go, but the people there are super normal. It's really more about yourself being free in nature. If you go to ogle at people you'll be disappointed and also unwelcome, naturists don't generally tolerate creeps. They like to keep it chill and everyone interacts like any other beach. Occasionally there's even kids there.

But it's technically illegal in the state... But the cops turn a blind eye and haven't gone after it (it's been this way for decades). The (federally run) park even put up signs to warn that you made encounter "nude sunbathers" at a certain part of the beach.

Bell ,

North Fla resident here, where's the beach you're talking about?

bdonvr , (edited )

Playalinda beach on the space coast, near Titusville and next to the launch pads. Last parking lot is clothing optional. Really clean and natural beach. Also great for watching rocket launches, if they keep the beach open for it.

https://thelemmy.club/pictrs/image/054498a0-cb3e-4e07-b1a9-17d9999f25f2.jpeg

(The structures in the distance are rocket launch towers, it's legitimately the closest you can get.)

AlligatorBlizzard ,

I've never had the opportunity to go to Playalinda, but I do really miss Paradise Beach before the tourists found out about it.

threelonmusketeers , (edited )

Hang on, are you saying that at Playalinda, one could watch a rocket launch and be naked at the same time?

bdonvr ,

Yes, however the nude section is the furthest parking lot, which is 4 miles north of where this was taken. Still a spectacle and much closer than most people will see a rocket launch, but if you came to see a launch then you probably want to be as close as possible

Lost_My_Mind ,

Occasionally there’s even kids there.

Ew ew ew ew ew ew no. Just.....just no.

Before I wasn't going to go because I'm not comfortable with my own body. NOW I'll never go, because I assumed it was 21+. I don't mind catching a glimpse of adult male nudity (I'm a straight male), because at least it's an adult consenting to it. But I DO NOT want to see 8 year olds running around naked. Both from a standpoint of I don't want to see it, AND from the standpoint that I don't want others knowing they can go there to see it.

Think about it. Prior to 2012 or whatever year it was, NOBODY would have thought anything wrong with Jarod from subway going to a nude beach. But would you want your 8 year old at the same nude beach as Jarod??? Nobody knew he was into that, and the only reason you know now is because it made the news. The people in your neighborhood WON'T make the news.

There are various search tools online to see who in your neighborhood has been placed on the sex offender registry. Of the 37 houses on my street, 24 of them have had some form of sexual based arrest since the 1970s.

Can YOU pick out the predators based on visual glimpse? I can't.

Technoguyfication ,

Username checks out

Lost_My_Mind ,

Not sure why what I said is so unpopular? Basically I don't want to see naked kids, and don't want others to know of a place to look at naked kids.

And that's.......somehow me being crazy?

Spectrism ,
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What's so different about a kid being naked compared to an adult being naked? Also, if you don't want to see naked kids, just... don't look at them? I don't get what your problem is here.

Lost_My_Mind ,

Well, I know kids today aren't being raised with the same protections I was as a kid. Kids swear more often now, see more violent tv than I did, and see sex more often than I did.

However I still maintain that kids should be treated as if they are as innocent as I was as a kid. I didn't know what sex was until puberty, and thats the way it should be. Let them have a childhood.

You start making it known "hey, this is a place where naked kids are", then you'll inevitably have people going there specifically to see the naked kids. And you'll never know which ones are doing that. Nobody suspects the pedophile until they're caught.......which tells me the uncaught ones are just out there consequence free.

And as far as "just not looking", I covered this with the naked guys. I don't mind seeing the naked guy, even though I don't want to. You're going to see it if you're there. It's just going to at some point be in your visual line of sight. With adults, at least they're consenting adults who understand that any visitor to that beach, at anytime might sexualize them in their own mind. Children can't consent to that, because they don't understand the severity of the situation.

khannie ,
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However I still maintain that kids should be treated as if they are as innocent as I was as a kid. I didn't know what sex was until puberty, and thats the way it should be. Let them have a childhood.

This just reads so..... Strange. Nobody is advocating telling young kids about sex.

There is nothing inherently sexual about a naked human body. It's only weird if you're making it weird and, well, you are.

Lost_My_Mind ,

Nobody may be advocating for it, but it happens due to lazy parenting. I heard one 10 year old on the bus a few months ago tell another about his age "Suck my dick!".

When I was his age I'd never heard such phrases. I wouldn't even know TO say that. They hear it from whatever media, whether its tv, or youtube, or movies. Nobody is saying anyone is doing this in person, but lazy parenting leads to it happening.

khannie ,
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I'm honestly not sure if you're trolling or not at this point. We're discussing nude beaches here. Lazy parenting and kids using bad language is nothing to do with nude beaches.

Like.... Nothing at all.

Lost_My_Mind ,

Because a nude beach is supposed to be sexual. And a kid is the wrong element for that. They're supposed to not even know about nudity or sex at that age.

khannie ,
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Right. Now we're getting to the crux of it and I understand where your thinking is coming from but...

Because a nude beach is supposed to be sexual.

This is absolutely incorrect. Like totally wrong. There is nothing sexual about a nude beach.

Lost_My_Mind ,

EVERYTHING nude is sexual.....but especially beaches. I mean, only two types of people go to beaches. People looking to fuck in the lake while people watch, and the other, seperate part of the beach where families take their kids in the summer to swim.

Now you're removing the part where you have to sneak around at the beach, and make it nude to start with. How is that NOT sexual? Except .......now theres kids. At the part of the beach where you fuck.

khannie ,
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I'm gonna break something to you here that might blow your mind.... Europeans (and the people in the article) do not go to a nude beach to fuck. They're going there to feel more natural in nature.

Naked bodies are not sexual unless you sexualise them, which you are doing. The statue of David is a fine example here.

I honestly have never heard of a sexual nude beach in my life before. Maybe they exist where you live.

Edit:

EVERYTHING nude is sexual

If this is your world view I don't think we'll ever agree. That's kinda messed up IMO.

Lost_My_Mind ,

That's Europe though. They do a lot of things differently. Here in America, even the non-nude beaches are beaches for fucking in secret.

khannie ,
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I'm starting to think that maybe you're trolling again. You see I've spent lots of time in America, very fond of the place, and a lot of it on the beach.

I spent 4 straight months in San Diego and lived near the beach while I was there. I know that the beach is not a place for fucking in secret. Sure maybe it happens as little or as often as it does in the rest of the world but that doesn't make it the default function.

Anyway I'm trying to get back to sleep having woken in the middle of the night so I'm out. o/

I would gently suggest trying not to view naked as being sexual for a bit. It'll probably ease some worry in your mind that you don't need to have.

threelonmusketeers ,

Nobody is advocating telling young kids about sex.

Even if they were, I don't think I would take issue with it. Sex is a natural part of life and society. I think prudish/taboo attitudes towards sex create more problems than they solve.

khannie ,
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Fully agree though as a broad rule but there's an age of innocence that needs respecting IMO. I got told by an older boy I knew when I was just 8 and honestly that was not great. My own barometer is that if you still believe in Santa we'll have the talk later.

Funny story - Our eldest had some broad strokes when we sat him down but thought from the playground stories that you used a condom if you wanted to get pregnant. I was very glad to clear that little misconception up.

threelonmusketeers ,

got told by an older boy I knew when I was just 8 and honestly that was not great

Yeah, that's probably not the best way to find out.

there’s an age of innocence that needs respecting IMO

I'm not sure I necessarily agree. I had books like Visual Dictionary of the Human Body within reach since I was a toddler, so I don't recall the ideas of "sex" or "where babies come from" ever being a big deal or a shocking revelation.

if you still believe in Santa

Funnily enough, I don't think I ever believed in Santa either, so I guess your barometer checks out :)

khannie ,
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Funnily enough, I don’t think I ever believed in Santa either, so I guess your barometer checks out :)

Yeah, fair enough. I suppose that's unusual in the West if that's where you're from.

I mean it depends on your background a bit. I don't think kids who grow up on a farm have any doubt.

girlfreddy OP ,
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My rule of thumb is if the kid can ask a cogent question (just not the Why? or How come? ones) then they deserve an honest answer.

Spectrism ,
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They can still be innocent at nude beaches. There aren't any orgies there or whatever you think a nude beach is.

Creeps gonna creep. Only way to avoid them is to not go outside. And honestly who cares? Maybe I'm a bit desensitised, but if someone stares at me at the beach, why should I care? Same goes for the ones staring at children, with the difference that children don't even worry about stuff like that.
I also think you overestimate the amount of people who actually go there to creep. It's not even necessary to go to a nude beach for that, I've seen plenty of naked kids at regular beaches.

"[...] because they don't understand the severity of the situation."
What severity? What's going to happen to the kids? Do you seriously think they worry about being sexualised? When I was a kid, we would run around naked in our backyard, lots of neighbours were able to see us. Did I worry about that in the slightest? Nope.

You're worrying too much.

Cryophilia ,

Well, I know kids today aren’t being raised with the same protections I was as a kid. Kids swear more often now, see more violent tv than I did, and see sex more often than I did.

Unless you're like 80, that's not true at all. Every generation since gen x has gotten more prudish.

Lost_My_Mind ,

I'm 40, and I was told I was being too scandalous for dating a black girl. 10 years ago teens were twerking, because Miley Cyrus did it.

How is that getting more prudish?

Cryophilia ,

Sounds like you just moved away from a hyper conservative area, or your local hyper conservative area caught up to the rest of the world. 40 years ago bankers were doing lines of cocaine off of strippers tits during their lunch break. The 80s were fucking WILD.

threelonmusketeers ,

However I still maintain that kids should be treated as if they are as innocent as I was as a kid. I didn't know what sex was until puberty, and thats the way it should be. Let them have a childhood.

What a weird take. I knew where babies came from long before I reached puberty, and this knowledge had no negative impact on my childhood whatsoever.

wolfeh ,
@wolfeh@lemmy.world avatar

Not sure why what I said is so unpopular

There's only one person in this thread sexualizing kids being naked.

Lost_My_Mind ,

First off, I'm not sexualizing them.

Secondly, I'm not worried about people in this thread sexualizing them. I'm worried about people on the beaches in person sexualizing them for years. Eventually they act on it. Four of my neighbors raped kids before they got arrested. And a guy roughly 15 streets from me kidnapped and raped 3 teenage girls for 15 years, before one eventually broke out of his basement. My sister was raped in the 80s when she was a teen. There are rapists all around.

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In ,

Most people's response to a naked child on a beach is indifference. I know this because young kids play naked on nearly every European beach, nude or not. And no-one cares.

Your reaction is not indifference, so it stands out.

Technoguyfication ,

Because you turned a completely innocuous discussion about nude beaches into an unhinged rant about sexualizing children. Nudity does not inherently mean sexual.

A short comment like “yeah I don’t know how I’d feel about children at a nude beach” would have been fine, but the extent to which you’re talking about it comes off as creepy and projecting.

KillingTimeItself ,

how do you even know the kids are allowed to be nude there?

Lost_My_Mind ,

I was responding to a portion of another persons message that said they were.

KillingTimeItself ,

see thats weird, i read that comment, not one mention of "naked kids" being there, just "kids" being there...

Lost_My_Mind ,

At a nude beach.

KillingTimeItself ,

clothing optional*

frezik ,

There's definitely kids walking around naked at nudist beaches. Nudist areas are explicitly non-sexual, though.

KillingTimeItself ,

idk i've never been to one but it's clothing optional, so it's up to the kids and the parents ig.

Bartsbigbugbag ,

I swam naked in the fountain at our towns courthouse as a child, and it was fine. You’re weird and creepy.

Lost_My_Mind ,

Ew. I'm fairly certain if I'd have done that, my dad would have beaten me with a tire iron, and then my mom would have beaten me with a belt in case my dad missed any spots.

Ibuthyr ,

Man, that sucks. But also kind of explains your mindset regarding this.

Zahtu ,

Honestly , you are projecting sexuality where there really is none. I have been growing up (except for the teen years, where everything is embarrassing) going to our 'naturalist' (FKK) lakes and beaches every summer, and there newer were such problems.

frezik ,

If this is your mindset, then you probably don't belong at a nudist area. Nudists are expressly non-sexual. They do not get along well with swingers, who are more explicitly sexual. Swingers invading nudist areas tend to get nudist areas shut down.

quafeinum ,

Im sorry that you are this fucked up in your head. It’s just bodies, nothing sexual, if god wanted us to be embarrassed then why did we turn out this way.

Lost_My_Mind ,

........well, I'm an athiest. So, our bodies are all we have, and when we die, they get set on fire, or decompose in a box. Everything BEFORE that matters though.

psivchaz ,

Beaches are tougher but I believe there's a nudist resort in every state in the US. You can visit the AANR website and find the closest one. If it's a "family resort" that means it's probably very welcoming, if a little boring depending on location.

Wahots ,
@Wahots@pawb.social avatar

They are really good. And tbh, they feel pretty normal once you get used to it, usually takes about 15 min. I prefer them now, since you dry off a lot quicker and don't have to deal with a wet bathing suit. The US has some good ones, as does Canada.

FlyingSquid Mod , to World News in Byron Bay is to be stripped of its nudist beach – and naturists blame ‘conservative creep’
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I thought walking around naked was part of Australian culture.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

jeezus you really are dumb as hell aren't you?

no.

covering up to protect against skin cancer has been so successful that for a while rickets were a concern in parts of Australia.

FlyingSquid Mod ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I'm sorry, I thought humor reached Australia a long time ago. Apparently not.

Randomgal ,

Hasn't reached you either it seems.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

I hope you're well stocked on your vit D supplements.

p5yk0t1km1r4ge , to World News in North Korea condemns joint military exercise by South Korea, US and Japan
@p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world avatar

North Korea can shut the fuck up and just focus on sending their poop balloons while starving to death in misery. The end.

AllNewTypeFace , to World News in Byron Bay is to be stripped of its nudist beach – and naturists blame ‘conservative creep’
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Is this the case of Byron becoming fashionable, hippies being gentrifuged out by rising prices and replaced by Liberal voters who wanted their slice of heaven to be more conservative and family-friendly?

girlfreddy OP ,
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Someone needs to explain to me why nudity is considered not 'family-friendly' but watching movies/playing video games with massive amounts of bloodshed and death is considered fine and dandy for kids.

Michal ,

I'm pretty sure those games and movies are age-restricted.

EldritchFeminity ,

PG-13 and rated T for teen, respectively

girlfreddy OP ,
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I know lots of kids were/are playing those without parental supervision. Those same parents had/have existential fits if their child sees a penis or breasts in a movie.

JJROKCZ ,

Just because their parents are bad parents doesn’t mean there are regulations and restrictions… at the end of the day parents need to parent and so many are unwilling to do so.

I will mention I have no problem with nude beaches or public toplessness of both genders, religious prudishness has no place in the modern world

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

"why are so many parents bad parents and/or messed up people in general?"

That's a big can of worms you're trying to open, GF.

girlfreddy OP ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

Just because it's big doesn't mean it shouldn't be opened. Only Sonlight can cleanse the shit that bullshit 'Christianity' has wrought.

EldritchFeminity ,

Because of the American Puritannical values, which dictate what the credit companies and advertisers are willing to do business with and the cultural zeitgeist along with it.

The Puritans were some of the earliest British colonists in the US, and were either thrown out of England for attempting a coup to replace the king with a puppet to force their more extremist form of Christianity on the country, or left by their own choice because they felt that the Church of England was too liberal. They were basically a bunch of prudes who believed that the human body and sex were shameful and disgusting.

This has led to the dichotomy where advertisers want nothing to do with sex/nudity, except when it comes to implied sex in advertisements. Because sex is bad, but it also sells, which is good.

FlyingSquid Mod ,
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I'm ok with people without clothes on at the beach, but I really don't want to see a line of people tanning their assholes, so can we at least keep that to a minimum?

catloaf ,

I have never heard of anyone actually doing that.

FlyingSquid Mod ,
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quafeinum ,

You are so weird

FlyingSquid Mod ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Yes. I am on Lemmy. And also, I was asked about it.

Wahots ,
@Wahots@pawb.social avatar

I've gone to nude beaches countless times and never seen this, lmao.

It's like a normal beach with a clothing nerf. Most people are reading, chatting with friends, or swimming with beach balls and floaties.

girlfreddy OP ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

I would just turn my head or move further down the beach.

shrugs

FlyingSquid Mod ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I just wouldn't want to have to explain such a thing to a toddler.

RunningInRVA ,

Toddlers don’t sexualize everything like adults do, so there is nothing to explain, really.

FlyingSquid Mod ,
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Toddlers imitate everything adults do and I don't think that's something toddlers should be doing, nor something that people on a beach should see toddlers doing.

RunningInRVA ,

Ya as a parent that would be your choice to make, but there really shouldn’t be anything wrong with nudity at any age.

FlyingSquid Mod ,
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I'd say that really depends on context. Nudity at a beach? Sure. But I also think that there should be clothed-only areas as an option as well. Give everyone what they want. This is obviously not the way to do it since that was how it already was.

I'm certainly not suggesting people get arrested for child abuse or anything.

zeekaran ,

Then go to a different fucking beach, you idiot. You're doing the equivalent of walking into a sushi restaurant and complaining it has too much fish. 99%+ of beaches require clothing, go to them.

FlyingSquid Mod ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Comment I already made:

I’d say that really depends on context. Nudity at a beach? Sure. But I also think that there should be clothed-only areas as an option as well. Give everyone what they want. This is obviously not the way to do it since that was how it already was.

I’m certainly not suggesting people get arrested for child abuse or anything.

So apparently I'm an idiot who agrees with you. What does that make you?

quafeinum ,

Why do you stare at people tanning their assholes? That’s considered very impolite germany.

Don’t get your Burkha all crinkled you doorknob

FlyingSquid Mod ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I just looked at my comment and nowhere did I say that I stared at them. Why are you lying in order to criticize me?

Lost_My_Mind ,

Who said violence was good for kids? If I were a parent I wouldn't let my kid play those games. Not until they're 14.......unless they're a stupid kid. Then 18.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

as much as we all hate Liberal voters*, and gentrification and rising prices - Byron Bay is ground zero for hippy anti-vaxxers and the resurgence of measles in Australia.

So... I'm torn.

* for Americans, the Liberal party (capital 'L') are the conservatives. Basically, wannabe Republicans. They're economically liberal, not socially liberal. That is, like all conservatives, they like wasting government money and giving liberal amounts to corporations.

Lost_My_Mind ,

Glad you gave the astrict!

Frokke ,

Family friendly?

Are you for real? Nudist campings are family campings in yurop. Went to a nekid beach last week and it was filled with families. As it is every time we go.

It's not the nakedness that seems to be the issue. It's your hyper sexualised mindset and culture.

rockSlayer , to World News in Byron Bay is to be stripped of its nudist beach – and naturists blame ‘conservative creep’

What options does the community have? Was there no RFC by the park board?

Mrkawfee , to Technology in Revealed: the tech entrepreneur behind a pro-Israel hate network

Zionism is more and more allying with the far right, even if it means promoting anti semitic conspiracy theories.

The days when Zionism had a cross party appeal are drawing to a close. Thank God.

roofuskit ,

Fascist friends forever.

bamboo ,

Zionism has always been a far-right nationalist movement. Some Zionists openly supported the Nazis because they believed they would cause increased migration of Jewish people from Europe to Palestine.

gedaliyah , to World News in Bolivia’s president accused of plotting coup against himself to boost popularity
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"Accused" by whom?

Just before he was detained on Wednesday, the alleged plotter Zúñiga sowed seeds of doubt, telling journalists – without providing evidence…

Burried in the EIGHTH paragraph, past the break. FML that should be in the headline, Guardian. Please do better.

UnderpantsWeevil , (edited )
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“Accused” by whom?

The British, by the look of it

catloaf , to science in Toxic PFAS absorbed through skin at levels higher than previously thought

I'm not sure that that matters when it's in our food and water.

AncientFutureNow ,

Toilet is actively flooding the basement. No need to turn the water off, the basement is already wet.

catloaf ,

Turning the water to the toilet off won't do much when the whole length of the plumbing is split and spewing water throughout the whole house.

We already know PFAS can be absorbed through the skin, but it's so much worse being absorbed internally. We already know how bad that is for us, so it doesn't matter if it's bad or worse, we should try to get exposure to zero regardless.

AncientFutureNow ,

i never said turn off the water at the toilet. You're just looking to argue.

catloaf ,

I don't really understand the analogy, then. Of course we should stop PFAS pollution at the source, that being the chemicals plants producing it. But we should also be addressing all the contamination in our food and water first of all. That's the biggest and most immediate issue.

asdfasdfasdf ,

We should be stopping it wherever we can. It doesn't need to be one before another. Being conscious about where you can get more of it is helpful.

Water - we distill our water, and you can also use other types of filters which remove it.
Absorbing through skin - we know we should be wary about what products use it now, so can do some research and be careful about touching stuff.

This is similar to global warming. The biggest issue is large corporations. That doesn't mean consumers shouldn't stop worrying about littering or driving gas cars until corporations stop.

ShrimpCurler ,

Fixing a leaky tap isn't going to help much during a flood. I don't know the numbers to be making any kind of judgement call and of course every little bit help. But sometimes a small issue really is so insignificant that fixing it has no noticeable impact in the bigger picture.

Often it can even be a great way for companies to look like their doing something to help and distract from the fact that they're the ones causing the bigger problem.

jpreston2005 , to science in Toxic PFAS absorbed through skin at levels higher than previously thought

Awesome. The guys at Dupont, Chemours (a subsidiary of Dupont), and 3M who put this shit into everything despite their own testing in the 70's showing that it accumulated in humans and caused an increase in cancer must be super proud of themselves. They made their CEO's millionaires, and all they had to do was poison everyone they ever knew, loved or cared about (plus everyone else).

Dupont CEO's

Charles B. McCoy (67-73)

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just_another_person OP ,

Yeah. More people involved need to be seeing jail.

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Now include the boards and major shareholders.

autotldr Bot , to Technology in Revealed: the tech entrepreneur behind a pro-Israel hate network

This is the best summary I could come up with:


A prime mover behind the Shirion Collective, a conspiracy-minded, pro-Israel disinformation network seeking to shape public opinion about the Gaza conflict in the US, Australia and the UK, is a tech entrepreneur named Daniel Linden living in Florida who co-wrote a guidebook for OnlyFans users, the Guardian can reveal.

Heidi Beirich, co-founder and chief strategy officer at the Global Project Against Hate and Extremism, said of Linden’s Shirion campaigning that his apparent “grifting” is common among extremists, “but his ideology seems very confused”.

The Shirion Collective is an online operation that since late 2023 has appeared on platforms including X, Telegram and GoFundMe to coordinate the spread of pro-Israel and anti-Palestinian propaganda, and the harassment of pro-Palestinian protesters in the west.

The move attracted the attention of critics including Representative Ilhan Omar, who spoke out in Congress against Shirion’s screening of the footage to the University of California, Los Angeles protest encampment.

And since late last year, it has claimed to have developed an AI technology, Project Maccabee, whose goal it has described as “Hitting and creating AGI for the PROTECTION and survival of our people”, and “EXPOSING these putrid antisemites”.

On Amazon, Linden is credited as co-author of a Spanish-language ebook whose title translates as Master OnlyFans in just 7 days!, and whose blurb promises to show readers techniques to build “an account that will give you an average of 2,000 dollars a month”.


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febra , to World News in Bolivia’s president accused of plotting coup against himself to boost popularity

I'm not buying this shit.

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