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eager_eagle , to Technology in McDonald’s Gives Up On ‘AI’ After Comedy Of Errors, Including Putting Bacon On Ice Cream
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Well, what's the problem. They have bacon and they have ice cr... oh I see the error now. Just add a generic response the ice cream machine is broken and move on!

Badeendje , to Technology in McDonald’s Gives Up On ‘AI’ After Comedy Of Errors, Including Putting Bacon On Ice Cream
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bstix , to Technology in McDonald’s Gives Up On ‘AI’ After Comedy Of Errors, Including Putting Bacon On Ice Cream

Those mistakes would be easily solved by something that doesn't even need to think. Just add a filter of acceptable orders, or hire a low wage human who does not give a shit about the customers special orders.

In general, AI really needs to set some boundaries. "No" is a perfectly good answer, but it doesn't ever do that, does it?

chrash0 ,

sure it does. it won’t tell you how to build a bomb or demonstrate explicit biases that have been fine tuned out of it. the problem is McDonald’s isn’t an AI company and probably is just using ChatGPT on the backend, and GPT doesn’t give a shit about bacon ice cream out of the box.

bstix ,

So, what happens if you order a bomb at the McD?

Lost_My_Mind ,

You get bacon on ice cream.

dch82 ,

They really should have used a genetic algorithm to optimise their menu items for maximum customer satisfaction profits instead of using an LLM!

The execs do know other algorithms than LLMs exist right?

EDIT: prob replied to wrong thread

lvxferre ,
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Those mistakes would be easily solved by something that doesn’t even need to think. Just add a filter of acceptable orders, or hire a low wage human who does not give a shit about the customers special orders.

That wouldn't address the bulk of the issue, only the most egregious examples of it.

For every funny output like "I asked for 1 ice cream, it's giving me 200 burgers", there's likely tens, hundreds, thousands of outputs like "I asked for 1 ice cream, it's giving 1 burger", that sound sensible but are still the same problem.

It's simply the wrong tool for the job. Using LLMs here is like hammering screws, or screwdriving nails. LLMs are a decent tool for things that you can supervision (not the case here), or where a large amount of false positives+negatives is not a big deal (not the case here either).

tal , to Technology in McDonald’s Gives Up On ‘AI’ After Comedy Of Errors, Including Putting Bacon On Ice Cream
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Five Guys does milkshakes with bacon. I'd think that bacon ice cream would work.

joyjoy ,

But it's important to use crumbled crispy bacon.

atocci ,

This headline makes me think maybe AI isn't as useless as I once thought

Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
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One of my favorite pastries is a maple-bacon long john. It's a long donut with maple icing and a slice of candied bacon on top.

sndmn , to Technology in McDonald’s Gives Up On ‘AI’ After Comedy Of Errors, Including Putting Bacon On Ice Cream

Ice cream with bacon? Tell me more...

IllNess , to Technology in Top EU Court Says There’s No Right To Online Anonymity, Because Copyright Is More Important

This is so stupid since several thousand devices can use one IP address. NAT exists.

If I download music in a Starbucks, can they fine the Starbucks CEO then?

Anyway I hope I hope online artists, and authors are able to use this to sue AI companies for stealing their copyrighted works.

General_Effort OP ,

The background is that French law requires ISPs to retain the IPs of their customer for some time. That way, an IP address can be associated with a customer.

If I download music in a Starbucks, can they fine the Starbucks CEO then?

A CEO is an employee. You generally can't sue employees for this sort of thing. It may be possible to sue the company as a whole for enabling the copyright infringement, but that's not to do with this case. Perhaps in the future, operators of WiFi-hotspots will be required to use something like Youtube's Content ID system.

Anyway I hope I hope online artists, and authors are able to use this to sue AI companies for stealing their copyrighted works.

They can use this to go after "pirates". It's got nothing to do with AI.

rottingleaf , to Technology in Top EU Court Says There’s No Right To Online Anonymity, Because Copyright Is More Important

Top me court says this is not enforceable bar real totalitarian state. EDIT: Also fuck them children of crowd.

Diplomjodler3 ,

They're working on it.

twig , to Technology in Top EU Court Says There’s No Right To Online Anonymity, Because Copyright Is More Important

Property rights being valued above human rights is kind of a mainstay of capitalism.

rottingleaf ,

Property rights are part of human rights.

This situation is about preventive protection of someone's rights warranting real violation of your rights.

It's a clear violation of status quo, it's absolute bullshit, and the officials responsible for this should all spend quality time in jail answering questions about mafia organizations they are affiliated with, and then be flogged on TV, with a lifetime prison sentence after.

fruitycoder , to Technology in Top EU Court Says There’s No Right To Online Anonymity, Because Copyright Is More Important

If copyright is sacrosanct then the creation of data by me is my own personal property and without a contract anyone holding my data is in violation.

ChaoticEntropy , to Technology in Top EU Court Says There’s No Right To Online Anonymity, Because Copyright Is More Important
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Great... so we're reaffirming that society's various structures exist purely for the benefit of monied interests, as ever. Any benefit the regular person sees from arrangements is purely coincidental, your rights stop at the point at which a corporation needs them to.

Kissaki , to Technology in Top EU Court Says There’s No Right To Online Anonymity, Because Copyright Is More Important
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From the article-linked ruling press release - what it means in practice, what this was about:

In order to protect works covered by copyright or related rights against offences committed on the internet, a
French decree introduced two personal data processing operations. The first operation consists of the collection, by
rightholder organisations, of IP addresses which appear to have been used on peer-to-peer websites to commit
such offences and the referral of those IP addresses to the Haute Autorité pour la diffusion des œuvres et la
protection des droits sur internet (High Authority for the dissemination of works and the protection of rights on the
Internet) (Hadopi) 1. The second operation, carried out by the internet access providers at Hadopi’s request, consists,
inter alia, of matching the IP address with the civil identity data of its holder. Those data processing operations
enable Hadopi to initiate a procedure against the persons identified, combining educational and punitive measures,
which may lead to a referral to the public prosecution service in the most serious cases.

I find the ruling press release is much more understandable (and much more informative) than the OP-linked article.

boatswain ,

Definitely; OP's linked article doesn't have any quotes that refer to copyright, while this one of yours adds a lot of context that was otherwise missing. There's a world of difference between allowing retention of IP addresses and creating a cleaning house for IPs suspected of distributing works.

brax , to Piracy: ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ʜɪɢʜ ꜱᴇᴀꜱ in Top EU Court Says There’s No Right To Online Anonymity, Because Copyright Is More Important

How do I copyright myself and I every last bit of content that I create?

catloaf ,

Any work you create is probably under copyright automatically, if your country is party to the Berne convention.

whatsgoingdom ,

Would that be a way - have lots of your self created stuff on any device and then sue the corpos or sth for gaining illegal access to copyrighted materials in case they search it?

IcePee ,

For personal things, computer, phones, etc. Big corpos cover this by a EULA. EULAs also covers forums controlled by the companies. For public places like websites, you can control search engines by using a robot.txt file.

DarkMetatron ,

In Germany only stuff that has a certain level of creativity (Schöpfungshöhe) can be under copyright.

sic_1 ,

And how is that determined? I found the shit that I took this morning immensely creative.

DarkMetatron ,

It needs a certain level of individuality and personality of the creator that sets it apart from other, already existing works of art.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threshold_of_originality

lemmyvore , (edited ) to Piracy: ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ʜɪɢʜ ꜱᴇᴀꜱ in Top EU Court Says There’s No Right To Online Anonymity, Because Copyright Is More Important

That's a pretty big jump that the article makes... Here's what the decision is about:

The Court, sitting as the Full Court, holds that the general and indiscriminate retention of IP addresses does not necessarily constitute a serious interference with fundamental rights

They also said that, which is true:

EU law does not preclude national legislation authorising the competent public authority, for the sole purpose of identifying the person suspected of having committed a criminal offence, to access the civil identity data associated with an IP address

I should point out that copyright infringement is not a criminal offense, it's a civil matter.

None of this adds up to what the article claims.

borari ,
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I think the decision itself highlights the dichotomy between the EU’s push for the right of digital privacy for citizens of its constituent nations when using products and services and the EU’s push to have unrestricted insight into the digital lives of those same citizens.

You can’t have digital privacy from select third parties only, it’s an all or nothing thing. If you don’t want your citizens to be tracked and their browsing data sold, don’t allow websites or ISPs to track that data. If you don’t want that data to be sold, but you want it tracked and accessible to the government then call it a right to not be monetized, not a right to privacy.

I agree that the article itself is pretty duplicitous as well. None of rhetoric direct sources they quoted seemed to have anything to do with piracy.

Out of curiosity, is copyright infringement a civil matter instead of a criminal matter in all EU member states? I only ask because I thought there were some EU member states where copyright infringement was explicitly not a legal violation, civil, criminal, or otherwise.

ultratiem , (edited )
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Sounds less clickbaity, I see why they went with it’s the current title 🙃

TokyoMonsterTrucker , to Piracy: ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ʜɪɢʜ ꜱᴇᴀꜱ in Top EU Court Says There’s No Right To Online Anonymity, Because Copyright Is More Important

ITT: people who apparently think the only online crime is copyright infringement.

Hazzia ,

The dark web stole my (copyrighted) identity

finley , (edited ) to Piracy: ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ʜɪɢʜ ꜱᴇᴀꜱ in Top EU Court Says There’s No Right To Online Anonymity, Because Copyright Is More Important

And you were doing so well, EU

ahriboy ,
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Everyone will start saying "Fuck copyright" soon.

DebatableRaccoon ,

Some of us have been saying that for years

uriel238 ,
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One can only hope. Copyright has, for a long time been wrongdoing against the public by denying it a robust public domain. We should have free access to ideas less than a century old.

This reveals, nonetheless, even European government is about control, not governance, enforcement of established hierarchy, not civil rights for all.

ahriboy ,
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Communism will start backing up piracy.

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