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Emmy , to Technology in YouTube is experimenting with Notes, a crowdsourced feature that lets users add context to videos

Time to scrape notes data for ai

Caligvla , to Technology in YouTube is experimenting with Notes, a crowdsourced feature that lets users add context to videos

I miss when Youtube had community sourced subtitles and those little annotations on the video...

paraphrand , to Technology in YouTube is experimenting with Notes, a crowdsourced feature that lets users add context to videos

This is just for training AI.

Gormadt , to Technology in YouTube is experimenting with Notes, a crowdsourced feature that lets users add context to videos
@Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Re-Enabling the dislike button would help too

UFODivebomb ,

Nah. Low value signal. Easy to game.

Thorny_Insight ,

I agree but there's also an add-on for that

kellenoffdagrid ,
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Yeah but it's not that accurate, and it leaves most normal mobile users out of the picture. I know YouTube knew exactly what they were doing when they removed dislikes, but it still seems absolutely insane to remove such a useful tool for sifting through the bullshit.

timmymac ,

It was removed because Biden got too many downvotes. It'll be back soon. It was stupid of them to take it away.

Gormadt ,
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That's not why it was removed

It was removed not long after one of their Rewind vids was disliked to hell.

And it ain't coming back, at least they haven't so much as hinted at it

timmymac ,

Nah, that's what they told you and you believed. Don't be a fool for the media. It's a bad look.

Strykker ,

Continuing to speak is a bad look on you.

You talk shit out of your ass.

prole ,

Whoa this guy's badass.

He knows what's really going on, and it just happens to always be opposite of whatever "the media" says.

timmymac ,

Crazy but true. Keep being a follower. See how that works out for you.

prole ,

Ooooh boy it must feel super special to have this secret knowledge that nobody else but you can seem to keep up with. Almost as if it's bullshit.

Tell me, based my one reply to you, who am I following? Is anyone who disagrees with you automatically a "follower"? That would seem a little too convenient, no?

The fact is you're a basic-ass, run of the mill contrarian. Most of us have learned how to deal with people like you in our real lives, but it's always a little bit sad to see someone who clearly doesn't have anyone in their life to tell them to shut the fuck up every now and then.

So here, I'll do everyone a service: Shut the fuck up.

forrgott ,

Lol no.

Voyajer , to Technology in YouTube is experimenting with Notes, a crowdsourced feature that lets users add context to videos
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So now we have to read a community note to know a video is garbage instead of just seeing a massive dislike bar and clicking off?

catloaf ,

Didn't they take away the dislike button?

simplejack ,
@simplejack@lemmy.world avatar

The removed the dislike count a couple years ago, so you can no longer see if a video is terrible.

Fiivemacs ,

The thumbnail and title alone is typically enough to know how garbage it is.

NutWrench ,
@NutWrench@lemmy.world avatar

"Return YouTube Dislike" extension for Firefox and Chrome.

Moneo ,

Works surprisingly well even after all this time. I often forget its been removed.

prole ,

It isn't a real count of users who have clicked the dislike button, YouTube no longer makes that data available.

So I would not put much stock in that number.

Moneo ,

I'm well aware of how it works.

prole ,

Then why put any stock in it whatsoever

Zeoic ,

Because it is quite accurate

prole ,

And you're basing that conclusion on...?

Zeoic ,

Creators can view their like and dislike percentage, and around when the extension came about, many large youtubers were able to confirm the accuracy of the guesstimate that the extension gives you (on new content after the dislike indicator was removed). There are enough users and historical data to make the calculations reeeeally close.

prole , (edited )

It's not real though, you do know that right? There isn't some hidden dislike count that YT has that the extension can access.

I imagine it's taken from other users of the extension clicking the dislike button. A biased and wildly uneven sample. I would not put much stock in it at all.

kuberoot ,

It is real, it's just not data from YouTube. The information on how it works is made very clear, and people using it should be aware of the drawbacks.

Joelk111 , (edited )

Can confirm it is real, I have it installed right now via revanced, Grayjay, and Firefox extension.

Also, I have a terrible imagination, but that's OK, as it's open source and you can see how it's calculated on their github.

It takes the ration of likes to dislikes from users of the service, and applies that ratio to the total number of likes to estimate the total number of dislikes.

It also archived a lot of video's dislike counts before the dislike field was removed from the API.

As a user of the extension who knows how it works (no thanks to yourself), take it with whatever sized grain of salt you feel comfortable with.

prole ,

It's "real" as in it exists, but you say so yourself that it's just an estimate.

gaifux ,

LOL definitely a real comment by a real person. Dislike bar...

tacostrange ,

It was a bar that showed the ratio of likes to dislikes

Retiring ,
@Retiring@lemmy.ml avatar

I don’t see what was wrong with the comment of /u/voyajer. Can you elaborate?

Alk ,

The dislike bar was real, I'll tell ya, I've lived nigh on eighty years and me own two eyes seent the dislike bar clear as day! Ye better believe, sonny, it's the truth!

Gestrid ,

Yeah, the dislike bar used to be a thing. You could see how many dislikes there were compared to likes, all represented on a line below the two buttons. It was sort of like this image, except imagine the "yes" and "no" as a single line (but retaining their separate colors).

Sidyctism2 ,

Wait till you tell him youtube used to have a 5-star rating system

SouthFresh , to Technology in YouTube is experimenting with Notes, a crowdsourced feature that lets users add context to videos
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I give this about two weeks before they realize that it's as effective at helping their advertising as having dislike buttons are.

I am not condoning poisoning of this well of information, but I will laugh my ass off when it inevitably occurs.

FeelThePower ,
@FeelThePower@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I condone poisoning this feature with false info. maybe it will teach them that the dislikes should be public again. using an extension is cool and all, but so many people still don't know about it.

Adalast ,

It really is unfortunate as it COULD be a really good feature if it were being implemented by someone who wasn't just trying to crowdsource AI training data that will go into commercial products without compensation to anyone. It could be a great tool for professionals and experts to expand on what creators say, a way to call out falsehoods and Hypocrites, and a way to find your people in a world that is growing ever bleaker. But no, it is just being done to force more ads down our throats and harvest more money from us.

Gestrid ,

And, once they discontinue it, I hope someone creates an add-on to bring it back like they did with dislikes.

It's a bit out-of-scope, but it'd be a great SponsorBlock feature!

sunzu , to Technology in YouTube is experimenting with Notes, a crowdsourced feature that lets users add context to videos

another chance to provide free labour to train their AI!

brucethemoose ,

I'm sure the annotations will be intelligent and insightful...

sunzu ,

Yeah clearly training data does get much review for these peasant facing products. I am assuming real tool will take legions of pros to properly tune up.

The issue not LLM per we, the issue is that none of these clown companies appear to do Amy data quality control. They just rush whatever janky thing they got to drive headlines.

Concave1142 , to Technology in YouTube is experimenting with Notes, a crowdsourced feature that lets users add context to videos

I feel like this is what the comment section is used for.

driving_crooner ,
@driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br avatar

Can the channel owner delete comments on their videos?

PoolloverNathan ,

Yes, as well as automatically hiding new comments.

expatriado ,

which is unfortunate, i think YT does it to save paid labor on moderating comments, but this allows video posters to upload misleading info and delete correcting replies, which also pairs well with hidden thumbs down

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

It also allows uploaders to stop hate filled posting, like incels trashing the comments on anything positive about female characters in media.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Honestly, I'd rather the channel have the first say here. It would be even better if some independent mod team could override channel owners though if there are enough reports.

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

Enough reports is how brigades are effective.

There isn't a great solution that solves all the possibilities, it is a difficult problem. An independent mod team sounds great until you get into the details of how they are formed and the fact that they are people too who might miss nuance or hold their own shitty opinions.

catloaf ,

It also allows uploaders to stoke hate with their videos and delete reasonable takes and people calling out misinformation in the comments.

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

Which one is worse depends on the context of the video.

Neato ,
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And Youtube will 100% allow creators to hide notes, as well. Corporations will not allow themselves to be criticized on their own pages.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Comments section are not voted on by users.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

? They absolutely are...

Abnorc ,

Technically they are, but I’m not sure how confident I am in YouTube showing you comments I a reasonable order regardless.

9point6 ,

I value my mental health too much to regularly dive into the YouTube comment section

Thorny_Insight ,

I must be watching different videos than the people complaining about YouTube comments. The ones I see are virtually all positive.

TheDarksteel94 ,

Don't just look at the comments. Look at the replies to the top comments. 8 out of 10 times they turn super toxic super quickly in my experience.

cornshark , to Technology in YouTube is experimenting with Notes, a crowdsourced feature that lets users add context to videos

Wait, didn't this feature already exist for years and then was shut down??

SmoochyPit , to Technology in Mobile games company Voodoo acquires BeReal

BeReal was cool, and the concept is still appealing to me and my circle.

The groups and the celebrity/brand accounts aren’t cool. And I can imagine them adding more garbage after this acquisition.

At the end of the day, capitalism gonna capitalize~

theorangeninja OP ,

We can hope for a fediverse alternative!

Rozauhtuno , to Technology in Raspberry Pi is now a public company
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The enshittification begins.

belated_frog_pants , to Technology in Raspberry Pi is now a public company

God damn it. It was nice while it lasted

some_guy , to Technology in Raspberry Pi is now a public company

I hope this isn't the prelude to a decline. I just ordered my third Pi over the weekend. It should arrive today. I'd hate to see the platform squandered by "make number go up" types.

demesisx ,
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They’ve been declining for years. It’s time the community ditched them for RISC-V machines.

perishthethought ,

I'm not familiar. Any recommendations?

demesisx ,
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perishthethought ,

Super helpful, thank you! But maybe I missed one point: why is Arm bad or RiscV better? Why should we encourage Risc cpus?

demesisx ,
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RISC-V is an open instruction set, which should be what the Pi foundation (if their open source mission is to be taken at face value) would be switching to if they weren’t just a way for Broadcom to push their chips on the maker community under the guise of open source.

https://riscv.org/news/2024/01/what-is-risc-v-and-why-is-it-important/#:~:text=Unlike%20proprietary%20architectures%20such%20as,the%20evolving%20landscape%20of%20computing.

RISC-V, an open-source instruction set architecture (ISA), has been making waves in the world of computer architecture. “RISC-V” stands for Reduced Instruction Set Computing (RISC) and the “V” represents the fifth version of the RISC architecture.
Unlike proprietary architectures such as ARM and x86, RISC-V is an open standard, allowing anyone to implement it without the need for licensing fees. This openness has led to a surge in interest and adoption across various industries, making RISC-V a key player in the evolving landscape of computing.
At its core, an instruction set architecture defines the interface between software and hardware, dictating how a processor executes instructions. RISC-V follows the principles of RISC, emphasizing simplicity and efficiency in instruction execution. This simplicity facilitates easier chip design, reduces complexity, and allows for more straightforward optimization of hardware and software interactions. This stands in contrast to Complex Instruction Set Computing (CISC) architectures, which have more elaborate and versatile instructions, often resulting in more complex hardware designs.
The open nature of RISC-V is one of its most significant strengths. The ISA is maintained by the RISC-V Foundation, a non-profit organization that oversees its development and evolution. The RISC-V Foundation owns, maintains, and publishes the RISC-V Instruction Set Architecture (ISA), an open standard for processor design. The RISC-V Foundation was founded in 2015 and comprises more than 200 members from various sectors of the industry and academia.

sleepybisexual ,
@sleepybisexual@beehaw.org avatar

Hope that happens, maybe my riscv potato might get some use

demesisx ,
@demesisx@infosec.pub avatar

Amen. I’d love to see Home Assistant start using it. I’m not holding out hope, though, because the guy behind Home Assistant is actively hostile.

sleepybisexual ,
@sleepybisexual@beehaw.org avatar

I have a uconsole r01

I wanna be able to use it. Its borderline unuaaible rn

demesisx ,
@demesisx@infosec.pub avatar

Much like the fediverse, we’re very early on that technology. We’re waiting for the network effect to take hold in both areas. Once it does, things will improve significantly, IMO.

CreativeTensors , to Technology in Raspberry Pi is now a public company
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INB4 trust fund babies and gormless capitalists go and ream every last fucking cent from the brand destroying it in the process before moving on to the next thing.

originalucifer , to Technology in Raspberry Pi is now a public company
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is this the 'jumped the shark' moment for companies? as soon as they go 'public' you can no longer assume their product is their priority.

Aggravationstation ,

Exactly. I'm not worried though. There are so many alternatives these days.

RootBeerGuy ,
@RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Would be really nice to name them when posting such a comment...

XTL ,

Here's one nice list which also reflects the status of their usefulness. Physical availability varies widely, though.

https://www.armbian.com/download/

VinesNFluff ,
@VinesNFluff@pawb.social avatar

Yes

You can expect them to drop at maybe one more good product, as going public is what companies do when they want to raise a lot of funds for some project

But after THAT, when it turns out that the new product is just... Making money instead of making ALL the money, the investors will take over and from then on it's fucked.

But yeah RPi has alternatives now. No need to tie yourself to them when they DO sink.

some_guy ,

I ordered a BananaPi board years ago but then life took me places where I didn't have time or energy to follow up. I've recently rejoined the hobbyist homelab market, so I've quite interested. I'd read that drivers could be an issue with non-Pi boards but haven't ever found out. Which boards / companies are recommendation-worthy at the moment?

Asking twice because two people had similar replies and I'm looking for feedback, not because I want to spam the thread.

Zworf ,

The question is always: What do you want to use it for?

When raspberry started the landscape was very difficult. Small computer boards were expensive, now there's the N100 if you need a tiny cheap computer. Microcontrollers were really dumb and unconnected, now there's the ESP32 which has WiFi and Bluetooth and decent performance. Right in the middle of this wide spectrum is the raspberry pi and its clones.

This is a very different situation than in the introduction era where PCs were heavy and expensive and microcontrollers were dumb. There was a much wider niche for the raspberry then. For a small server I would now get a $100 N100 from aliexpress. For embedded electronics I would grab a $10 ESP32. Only in the middle is the raspberry pi, but the problem is, it's only in the middle in terms of performance, not price. A raspberry pi with case, PSU, storage etc costs more than a decked out N100, while actually being slower.

The only remaining usecase I see for a pi 5 would be an electronics project where you need some more compute than a microcontroller can provide, like some machine vision project. Otherwise:

  • Do you want to make some electronics IoT thingy: Get an ESP32
  • Do you want a small light computer or server: Get an N100
Kichae ,

Ad soon as they go public, their product is their share price. And even before then, since most growing private companies seek out private investment long before going public.

PersonalDevKit ,

Legally the product is no longer their priority, maximising shareholder profits is their priority.

Not many companies manage to not get twisted to a worse product for the customers, though their ads get really good

originalucifer ,
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really sounds like the stock market is just human greed distilled and removed from all direct responsibility.

i cant understand how anyone can defend it. it is a cancer

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