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CaptainSpaceman , to World News in Israeli army knew of Hamas plot to take hostages before 7 Oct

US was warned multiple times leading up to 9/11

Zipitydew ,

And people should have known Iran was working on ways to help create a distraction for Russia. Hamas had been planning and building up for this attack for a while. They even intentionally chose October 7th which is Putin's birthday. But I get downvoted all the time as some crazy person for pointing out how easily it was to predict Iran's proxies were going to act up to help split US attention away from Ukraine.

Blackbeard ,
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In a way they couldn't have planned it any better. They knew Bibi would go all-in and Biden would have to follow him into the morass.

njm1314 ,

You say that like Netanyahu, who has been funding and propping up Hamas for years and who was facing political problems of his own, didn't benefit from the attack as well.

Blackbeard ,
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njm1314 ,

Yeah bruh, I was agreeing with you.

Blackbeard , (edited )
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Yet you insta-downvoted me. Typical.

edit: Twice.

small44 , (edited )

There's no reason to care more about ukraine than any other invasion/colonization and other conflicts feom an humanity standpoint

mindlight ,

Then we're two crazies now.

The ties between Hamas and Iran are well documented.
The ties between Russia and Iran are well documented.

In my opinion the likelihood of this happening on that exact date by accident is next to none.

massive_bereavement ,
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The ties between Russia and Hamas are well documented: (from wikipedia cuz I'm lazy)

During the 2023 Israel–Hamas war, Russia condemned both the initial Hamas attack and Israel's response. Russia maintained relations with both parties and presented itself as a potential mediator.

After the 7 October Hamas attack on Israel, which initiated the war, Russia condemned the attack as "terrorism". Putin sent condolences to the families of the killed Israelis and said Israel had a right to defend itself, describing the Hamas attack as "unprecedented in its cruelty". He also condemned the subsequent Israeli bombardments of Gaza and called for a two-state solution to resolve the conflict. Russian UN diplomats later condemned both the Hamas attack on Israel and Israeli shelling of civilian neighborhoods in Gaza. However, Russia voted against a resolution condemning Hamas at the United Nations General Assembly.

Some commentators said that Russia has grown closer to Hamas and more hostile to Israel. According to The New York Times, Russian state media and leading social networking platforms spread support for Hamas and denigrated Israel and its main ally, the U.S. Putin has said that the war shows "a clear example of the failure of U.S. policy in the Middle East". On 14 October, Hamas thanked Putin for his "position regarding the ongoing Zionist aggression against our people." On 26 October, Moscow hosted a Hamas political delegation, led by Mousa Abu Marzook, which Israel condemned as "a reprehensible step that gives support to terrorism and legitimacy to the horrific acts of Hamas terrorists." Amid the war's hostage crisis, Hamas released kidnapped Russian-Israeli dual nationals. Hamas described these actions as a gesture of appreciation for Russia's support for the Palestinian cause.

In December 2023, Russia's Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said that Israel's stated goals in its invasion of Gaza were similar to Russia's stated goals in its invasion of Ukraine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Hamas_relations

solo ,

Please keep in mind when using wiki links on anything (even loosely) related to Israel, that it has been edited by Zionists. This part of wiki doesn't work like the rest. See a 2 min video below from 13 years ago.

Course: Zionist Editing on Wikipedia - Israel National News - Arutz Sheva

ShittyBeatlesFCPres ,

It was also the day after the 50th anniversary of the Yom Kippur War. That seems like it’d be more relevant to the parties involved, especially

sunzu ,

The movement oct 7 attack happened, fake news start calling it Israel's 911..

Knew right then there and they were working up a blank check for genocide and they got it!!!

Now it is too late....

Letstakealook ,

If you consider that around 3,000 people were killed on 9/11 and around 5 million were killed by America's responding "war on terror," this really was Isreal's 9/11. Hell, the US put boots in damn near every country in the region except the country that funded, trained (with our help), and planned the attack.

sunzu ,

Hell, the US put boots in damn near every country in the region except the country that funded, trained (with our help), and planned the attack.

Preach!!!!!

girlfreddy ,
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Because oil is (or at least was) more important than justice.

The Lady bows down to capitalism.

mjhelto , (edited )

Edit: see comment from @Zipitydew below this.

Throughout history, America has chosen to ignore warnings of impending attacks. Australia notified the US about the Japanese fleet movement and, if I remember, even predicted the target was Hawaii. They did nothing to stop that attack in order up get the US into the war to help Europe when isolationism in the population was making the idea of getting into the war unpalatable.

Zipitydew ,

That take on Pearl Harbor is not historically accurate though. US Naval command had Japanese radio transmissions as well. It was more hubris and incompetence than some secret desire for an excuse to join the war. The US was already preparing for war with Japan. And Japan was crazy enough to skip straight to attacking US Naval command in Hawaii head-on as an opening move. Whereas US command assumed they'd take smaller targets first and try to stretch the fleet across defending many locations.

Japan ironically was both more and less successful than intended because of US mistakes. US carrier groups were sent west out near Wake Island and the Marshall Islands to cut off the attack that was thought to be coming. But Japan sailed around Midway approaching Hawaii from the North. They even had their planes loop around to fly in from the East to cause extra confusion until it was too late. What they found was less resistance than expected because the carriers weren't there. It didn't end up being the kinda suicidal knock out blow Yamamoto was going for.

Congress demanded multiple investigations over the years after. They all bore out a similar conclusion that US command and intelligence fucked up. They went looking for the fight in the wrong place. Assuming the attack on Hawaii intelligence had to be a ruse.

mjhelto ,

Thanks for setting me straight. I'll edit my post to reflect that.

Zipitydew ,

All good. It's a pervasive myth that on the surface seems plausible. There are other examples of what you mentioned that probably were a false flag or manufactured consent. Extending a conspiracy like that to Pearl Harbor takes a lot of credit away from Yamamoto's strategic genius.

Altofaltception , to World News in Renowned Gaza doctor Adnan Al-Bursh tortured, killed in Israeli jail

Al-Bursh was also remembered for his efforts during the Great March of Return in 2018-19, when he performed over 28 surgeries in one day on Palestinians injured by Israeli fire.

2018? I thought this all started on October 7.

/S

aniki ,

Oct 7, 1912 maybe.

Sundial ,

Israel has been killing Palestinians for a lot longer than 6 months.

ModernRisk , to World News in Gaza peace talks at 'dead end' as Israel rejects permanent truce
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The Israeli official made further comments blaming Hamas for the impasses, echoing the language of Israeli and US officials that “the ball is Hamas’s court” and that stopping the war is in their hands.

Did Hamas not accept a deal before while Israel (I assume their PM) rejected it?
Found the article: Hamas accepts UN ceasefire resolution, ready to negotiate over details, official says

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu stating clearly that Israel does not support a permanent ceasefire.

Israel blaming Hamas for not having a ceasefire or any deal and then this written in the article.

Israel’s demand appears to be for Hamas to release all the hostages right now in exchange for a temporary ceasefire

I mean any sane person would understand Hamas won’t accept this. This means they lose all negotiation ‘material’ (could not find a better word, apologies). The deal should be something along lines of; release of all hostages and a permanent ceasefire.

Hamas has said it will only support a deal that includes a permanent ceasefire

Exactly this. They are willing to accept a deal, it is Israel who does not want to accept anything.

retrospectology ,
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Israel's entire position when negotiating is essentially "We won't agree to anything until the other party we're negotiating with is destroyed forever." and then they turn around and blame Hamas for the impasse.

They can't accept any deal because they set an impossible goal for themselves that can't be reached without killing or driving out every single Palestinian.

DancingBear ,

Correction. Netanyahu can’t accept any deal because he will immediately lose power and likely go to jail for corruption and fraud, when he steps down or is voted out of office his ongoing criminal trials will resume.

Remember at the beginning of the war when the propaganda rhetoric talking point for the genocide was….. but Hamas wants to destroy Israel state.

Everything is a projection.

retrospectology ,
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Hamas is not demanding the destruction of the Israel state in these negotiations, no. They don't have the power to do that whether it's what they want or not.

You don't have to be on the side of Hamas to understand that they're not the ones holding up a resolution to the genocide in Gaza. They've been at the table for all these negotiations and the only demand they have for release of the hostages is withdrawl from Gaza and a permanent cease fire. Israel's refusal to accept that means they have no intention of stopping the genocide or stopping their pursuit of the total destruction of Hamas after a temporary ceasefire.

Yes, it's true that Netanyahu is avoiding a resolution to the genocide in order to stay in power, he's doing that by making the only terms he will accept in the negotiation to include further annhiliation of the other negotiating party. Which is obviously impossible to accept, thats not a negotiation, Hamas are not going to agree to just off themselves or w/e.

boyi ,

This means they lose all negotiation ‘material’ (could not find a better word, apologies).

maybe leverage or bargaining chip

Resol , to World News in Renowned Gaza doctor Adnan Al-Bursh tortured, killed in Israeli jail
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This just in: Israel hates doctors that help its victims too.

So I guess Israel hates the number 42 too.

Djejevhwvwbebebr ,

And 14, and 88

Resol ,
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Ok, I guess I have no idea what I was supposed to witness before this reply got deleted.

FordBeeblebrox ,

They are by far the least hoopy froods we’ve seen since the 1940s

Resol ,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

Definitely

ManuLeMaboul , to World News in Israeli army knew of Hamas plot to take hostages before 7 Oct
Adderbox76 , to World News in Israel re-arrests Palestinian parliament speaker Aziz Dweik

They've learned from the previous doctor that when a prominent Palestinian "dies during interrogation", there are literally zero consequences. So fuck it, let's get this guy back into custody and let the problem take care of itself...

I guarantee you that was the thought process.

madjo , to World News in Israeli army knew of Hamas plot to take hostages before 7 Oct

I'm not surprised.

TropicalDingdong , to World News in Renowned Gaza doctor Adnan Al-Bursh tortured, killed in Israeli jail

Reuters reporting this as if he 'died'. Like he fell down a hall of fists.

MadMadBunny , (edited ) to World News in 640 Palestinian children detained in West Bank since October 7

640 Palestinian children hostages detained by terrorists in the West Bank since October 7

FTFY

john89 , to World News in Renowned Gaza doctor Adnan Al-Bursh tortured, killed in Israeli jail

Nazisreal is literally worse than Russia.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War

If you want to discuss a per capita assumption of guilt for war crimes you can but maybe you should consider not?

Two things can be unforgivable.

john89 ,

Nobody here is forgiving Russia.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Mhmm. That's why you made sure to compare one to the Nazis and not the other, instead of condemning both for their fascistic policies and crimes.

Like Russia has never tortured political "enemies" to death, lol.

john89 ,

No it's not.

Are you being paid to say this? Seems like you're just trying to distract from criticism of Nazisreal.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

No what is not?

john89 ,

That’s why[...]

No it's not. You are wrong about your assumption.

Anyways, I'm gonna block you. I'm getting really weird shill-vibes from this conversation. I think you're just going to keep replying until I stop, so you may have the last word.

Goodbye.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Lol

Tja ,

That guy: what Israel did is unforgivable

You: you are paid shill!

You ever stop and think about what you say?

john89 ,

Lol, what? That's not at all what happened.

I'm guessing you're on his side, which is why you're trying to distort reality.

Gonna block you too, buddy.

Tja ,

It's all there in this very thread.

livus , to World News in Renowned Gaza doctor Adnan Al-Bursh tortured, killed in Israeli jail

This is terrible.

I remember he was at Al Shifa and spoke to the press about the IDF attack on the hospital.

Count042 , (edited ) to World News in 640 Palestinian children detained in West Bank since October 7

Kidnapped, I think you mean.

The Israeli government kidnapped 640 children.

BaroqueInMind , to World News in Renowned Gaza doctor Adnan Al-Bursh tortured, killed in Israeli jail

Never heard of newarab.com

Can someone please teach us how or where to check if a news outlet is credible?

Linkerbaan OP ,
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You can google the organisations they are quoting and fact check them. Also it's all over the internet that israel killed this man and israel has admitted to it.

Commiunism ,

You can use the mediabiasfactcheck website, it's pretty alright.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-new-arab/ here's a link to their page about newarab

OccamsTeapot , to World News in 640 Palestinian children detained in West Bank since October 7

If it was a war on Hamas, nothing would escalate in the West Bank. If it was a genocide against Palestinians... well...

Nobody , to World News in Gaza peace talks at 'dead end' as Israel rejects permanent truce

US, Egypt, Qatar, and every sane nation: Let's end this war now.

Hamas: We'll give Israel everything they want if they will end the war.

Israel: Fuck you. Give us everything we want, and we'll still kill you all.

US and Israel: We're not sure why Hamas is being so unreasonable, but it looks like no ceasefire.

machineLearner ,

rinse and repeat for 9 months

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