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IvanOverdrive , to Technology in Windows 11 is now automatically enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

So, yeah. What's a good Linux distro for stable diffusion and programming?

AceSLS ,

All of them.

Biggest difference a distro does is their update cycle and how much the distro "takes care" of you. Some of them do everything behind the scenes to make it just work. Others need more user interaction to reach the same state (but tend to teach you the inner workings too, which will open up a LOT of customization)

Blaster_M ,

How much time do you want to spend on linux os maintenance?

mryessir ,

Debian

IvanOverdrive ,

Not a whole lot.

Hubi ,
@Hubi@feddit.org avatar

It just comes down to personal preference. Mint is usually recommended as a good starting point.

Zwiebel ,

Fedora or Mint should be the most hassle-free

hopesdead , to Technology in Windows 11 is now automatically enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission
@hopesdead@startrek.website avatar

How to speed run your entire user base into hating you.

homesweethomeMrL ,

I mean - I’ve hated them since the 90’s. It’s not a speed run so much as a philosophy. The principles of BOGU.

Caboose12000 ,

What's bogu?

homesweethomeMrL ,

https://seanhoff.medium.com/my-favorite-uncommon-phrase-probably-for-good-reason-comes-from-accounts-ive-read-from-the-early-96e9b9aff4dd

Bend Over and Grease Up. They would buy a company and - essentially destroy them. Take the parts they wanted and throw away the rest. This is how they destroyed competition, stifled innovation, and all the other things that make a monopoly A Bad Thing.

Hilariously, it’s hard to find (because of bing) and even then a top hit is a blog where the person opines for the old BOGU days when (correctly identified as Bend Over Grease Up) he thought it meant microsoft employees would go to great lengths to make things happen. Ha. It . . does not mean that.

Microsoft has been evil from day fucking one.

homesweethomeMrL ,
CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

If it's not stopping the user base from using it then they don't care.

Zoldyck , to Technology in Windows 11 is now automatically enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

Wtf is Microsoft doing?

meathorse ,

Phase one: force everyone's data into their OneDrive account. OneDrive now at capacity, you must upgrade to ensure all your data is backed up and retained.

Phase two: MS secretly (or not so secretly) use all this data to train copilot.

Human generated content to feed into ai systems is the new good rush

RickAstleyfounddead ,

Not secretly, Dropbox is currently doing that

brsrklf ,

force everyone's data into their OneDrive account. OneDrive now at capacity, you must upgrade to ensure all your data is backed up and retained.

If it's made without any agreement from the user (hundred pages long EULA doesn't count), time to GRPD the fuck out of them.

zewm ,
@zewm@lemmy.world avatar

I’m pretty sure the END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT counts.

homesweethomeMrL ,

To be fair, they’re usually actually good at legally fucking everyone into the ground. The rest of the company they don’t really care that much as long as the money printer goes brrrrr

Aceticon ,

Not in the EU it doesn't, unless they got the user to review that Agreement and agree before the sale took place.

After the implicit contract which is the sale has been agreed to by both parties (the buyer gave the money, the seller took it), one of the parties can't force the other party to agree to a new contract before they're allowed to get the contractual benefits of the original contract (i.e. the buyer getting to use the product they bought, the seller getting to use the money they got).

It doesn't matter if the seller has such power de facto - legally they most definitelly can't blackmail the buyer by denying them their side of the contractual rights they got in the Act of Sale by blocking their use of the product they bought until they agree to a new Agreement from the seller.

4am ,

Rent seeking, theft/copyright infringement, walled garden you can’t escape (if Microsoft holds all your files good luck getting them back on Linux)

Microsoft needs to die.

PopShark ,

Oh yeah the OneDrive over capacity thing happened to me with my Xbox Series X I was like “ARE YOU PEOPLE SERIOUS I DONT WANT MY CAPTURES IN ONEDRIVE” but ya know Microsoft makes it hard for us

seSvxR3ull7LHaEZFIjM , to Technology in Windows 11 is now automatically enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

I once turned that feature on thinking it was an actual backup (copies of my files in the cloud), I remember how angry I was when I found out it wasn't a backup after all and just removed your files from your computer and only made them accessible online.

Blaster_M ,

You're supposed to uncheck the save storage space and download files as you use them option.

riodoro1 ,

You’re supposed to remove windows

HC4L ,

This. Files uploaded locally should automatically be synced though.

seSvxR3ull7LHaEZFIjM ,

Ah yes, the classic Microsoft "what you really want is hidden behind a checkbox, otherwise you'll get shit".

PopShark ,

They may have actually been inspired by Apple lmao (or maybe the other way around)

The_v ,

They made it the default option for businesses that routinely buy computers with less local storage than their users need. Pretty much every company I have worked for.

They then pushed it out hard into the consumer market when SSD came out and the average storage space on lower end models dropped by 75%.

I see why they did it, how they did it was in usual Microsoft fashion, idiotic.

It's sort of their pattern.

  1. Introduce new changes.

  2. Screw it up royalty.

  3. Fix the features that are salvageable and revert most of the remaining except: Double down on the shitty ones that they think will make them more money.

  4. Rinse and Repeat

deweydecibel ,

You can see their strategy at work here.

It is possible to keep individual files on the local hard drive with different settings (that in my experience never seem to stick past updates).

The default, though, is to take everything on your computer off of your computer, put it into the cloud (their computer), and recommend you pick and choose which ones stay on your computer. In essence, they want you to think of your computer as secondary to their computer. An extension of it.

There is no "your computer", it's just the computer you happen to be logged into at the moment.

The cloud is not something you take advantage of, the cloud is where you live now.

zingo ,

Wtf!

Good thing I use to debloat windows 10 on a local account and got rid of onedrive before it could wreck havok so.

But got to be honest, Far as long as I can remember, I always had backup of important data. Encryption - client side if off to the cloud.

Shit I'm so old that I prefer my music on HDD instead of using streaming services.

Using Linux nowadays too BTW.

fossphi , to Technology in Windows 11 is now automatically enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

Please do not resist, it's for your own safety.

Fake4000 , to Technology in Windows 11 is now automatically enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

First recall, then getting rid of local accounts, and now this.

Might shift back to Linux now.

variants ,

What would be the final straw

IronKrill ,

For me? Recall. I'm ordering an SSD to dual boot Linux off of and ween myself off Windows as much as I can. Probably can't remove it as long as I want to play games* with friends, but I'd be happy to have my day to day be less awful.

* Before anyone says Proton, Wine, etc, I mean the awful multiplayer rootkits like Valorant.

variants ,

I was in the same boat, I have a dual boot main machine now but I haven't booted I to windows since I installed Pop!OS, I've been mostly just seeing what alternatives to everything so far, especially photo stuff, but I seem to be pretty settled now after messing with popos on a little thin client and little second pc I keep at work

sugar_in_your_tea ,
ViscloReader , to Technology in Windows 11 is now automatically enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

😬yuck

ky56 , to Technology in Windows 11 is now automatically enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

Doesn't Windows 10 already do that? I could never get the freaking thing to leave my files behind and disable itself.

Windows 10 LTSC for the win if you have software you can't yet abandon.

dodgy_bagel ,

As a workaround with the default directory fuckery, I always just made new ones.

onlinepersona , to Technology in Windows 11 is now automatically enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

Exactly the same path Recall will take. Install Linux Mint, folks...

Anti Commercial-AI license

Salvo ,
@Salvo@aussie.zone avatar

The bottom has dropped out of the OEM software licence market. Microsoft have to find a different way of making money.
Their loss-leading hardware sales have not borne fruit so they are getting desperate.

All they have left is services, which means that the only way the can actually make money is selling out their customers private information.

teawrecks ,

That describes the business model of basically every internet company that survived the dotcom bubble.

Powderhorn ,
@Powderhorn@beehaw.org avatar

Remember what that landscape looked like. The only major players we know today that existed then are Microsoft and Apple, and Apple had just been bailed out by MS to get in front of antitrust issues. Amazon existed as a bookstore, Google was not around yet, Facebook would still be several years out ... MySpace wasn't yet around. AOL was still a behemoth. Adobe sold perpetual licenses.

This is a far more recent development.

teawrecks ,

Google was the first example I thought of, because they were founded in 1998, solidly before the dotcom crash. They survived because they hoarded data.

My point was that every company going into the bubble thought they had a product they could monetize, but virtually all of them failed in favor of just hoarding everyone's data. Amazon and eBay were competing for ecomerce supremacy, but now even they are just privacy violators for various reasons (amazon via AWS and Alexa, eBay in the interest of detecting malicious account behaviour).

MySpace is an example of another unsustainable social media model in the vein of many dotcom era services. They died out as soon as Facebook realized they could hoard everyone's data.

All roads lead to privacy nightmares. It's the fossil fuel of the internet, and enshitification is the climate change.

Powderhorn ,
@Powderhorn@beehaw.org avatar

I could swear Google wasn't broadly a thing yet. The startup I worked at in 1999 had an elevator pitch for how we "could be the next Yahoo." Not a great thing to aspire to in retrospect, but Google wasn't on our radar.

pbjamm ,
@pbjamm@beehaw.org avatar

They were there and they were superior to the alternatives almost out of the gate. I was working for a video game company at the time and me and the rest of the IT dept made the switch almost immediately because the results were clearly superior. Made me an advocate for them for years, probably far beyond where I should have given up. I am not sure which product cancellation finally changed my mind on them. Probably it was around the mess of Google Talk/Chat/Hangouts mess of apps.

teawrecks ,

You're right, they weren't a "household name" yet. But they were probably more than a little worried about surviving at the time. Turns out they picked the winning strategy.

Draedron ,

Every. Single. Post.

Like every time windows is mentioned the Linux users come out to try to convert people. You guys are so fucking annoying. Just make a post about Linux. We dont want your shit ass OS. We need one which actually runs the software we use.
Guess the posts are good to block these annoying Linuxers

trevron ,

I see where you're coming from but you aren't really speaking for the majority on lemmy. We are more open to open source projects and linux around here.

Unfortunately, I also have to use windows for some things, but microsoft and windows 11 are hot garbage, just like your attitude.

TheRtRevKaiser Mod ,
@TheRtRevKaiser@beehaw.org avatar

Please try not to escalate comment threads that are already tense. Remember to be(e) nice. I think think it is understandable that someone might be frustrated with the regular, low effort responses to practically any mention of Windows or a number of other topics.

trevron ,

My bad, I didn't think pointing out someones bad attitude was crossing the line.

TheRtRevKaiser Mod ,
@TheRtRevKaiser@beehaw.org avatar

No worries. I don't think anybody in the comments here have crossed any lines yet; I'm just trying to defuse things before they get to that point. I'm finding that !technology is one of the communities where we're most likely to have to lock threads or remove comments, other than maybe !politics, and I'm trying to be more proactive about reminding folks to deescalate when things get tense.

Salvo ,
@Salvo@aussie.zone avatar

This is one of the things I love about the Lemmy community.
No one wants to argue, every one can be passionate about their opinions, but still respect other people’s passion.

esaru ,

It's not helpful because it's not discussing content but attacking a person's character. This leads to emotions running high rather than letting your reasoning win the discussion.

onlinepersona ,

You will submit! Join the ranks of the less surveilled, my friend.

Or give your data to Microsoft for free, your choice.

Anti Commercial-AI license

BananaOnionJuice ,
@BananaOnionJuice@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Fine! You keep using windows, we will keep using our shit ass OS.

esaru ,

When there's a post about privacy issues, expect alternatives with more privacy be mentioned. It's just that there are so many moments that big corporations violate user's privacy nowadays, so that's why you see it that often.

TheRtRevKaiser Mod ,
@TheRtRevKaiser@beehaw.org avatar

Hey, I totally get your frustration here, but in the future please keep in mind the primary ethos on Beehaw and try to be nice in your comments here. I sympathize with how irritating the constant barrage of "just install arch" as if that's a simple fix for every problem, and I think it would be valuable for users on this forum to think about this before they comment, but let's try to stay respectful and kind to other users. Thanks!

Salvo ,
@Salvo@aussie.zone avatar

I used Linux back in the 90s as my primary OS. They were simpler times. Since then I have used BeOS, various versions of Windows and (primarily) MacOS.

I am seriously thinking of going over to Linux as my primary OS because of all the TechBro “AI” bullshit that Microsoft, Adobe, Apple and Google are trying to ram down our throats.

Damage ,

Or better, a proper distro

onlinepersona ,

Sure, let's propose Arch to absolute linux newbies. That'll go over splendidly.

Anti Commercial-AI license

Killer57 ,

Or you can be sane, and use Bazzite

Damage ,

Did I?

pbjamm ,
@pbjamm@beehaw.org avatar

Mint is an awesome distro. LMDE is my goto because it is simple and works. What makes you think otherwise?

baggins ,
@baggins@beehaw.org avatar

Obligatory eye-roll.

Do you use Arch by any chance?

PS. Two of my machines run Endeavour OS, the other MX XFCE ;-)

Damage ,

No, last I used Arch must have been over a decade ago

TheRtRevKaiser Mod ,
@TheRtRevKaiser@beehaw.org avatar

Let's not start this kind of low-effort distro warring in the comments on Beehaw, please.

Powderhorn ,
@Powderhorn@beehaw.org avatar

... they said Archly.

TheRtRevKaiser Mod ,
@TheRtRevKaiser@beehaw.org avatar

That joke was...Mint?

sleepybisexual ,
@sleepybisexual@beehaw.org avatar

Mint is a good distro. Wtf you saying?

sexy_peach , to Technology in Windows 11 is now automatically enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

You can't make this shit up

Moonrise2473 , to Technology in Windows 11 is now automatically enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

Isn't apple doing the same?

Designed to fill the 5gb immediately so you're going to buy more cloud space immediately

When I had an iPhone, there was an annoying red dot on the settings icon "warning, you didn't enable cloud backups for photos", and if you enabled it become an annoying red dot "warning you ran out of iCloud space"

abrahambelch ,
@abrahambelch@programming.dev avatar

It's not an Apple fanboy but imo it's a lot more transparent on their side. There's a switch for each and every service to use iCloud or not in the settings. Services don't just re-enable their usage of iCloud after some random update and most importantly, they don't just re-install apps you previously deleted. Or bloatware.

Moonrise2473 ,

Yes, it doesn't get re enabled but I totally hate that annoying red dot on settings if you don't set iCloud

princessnorah ,
@princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Oh no, an annoying red dot. Microsoft are straight up hoovering up users data into the cloud by automatically enabling syncing. These two things are not even close to the same.

Moonrise2473 ,

it's a dark pattern deliberately chosen to let people get annoyed and pay for icloud. On windows people instead will accidentally fill their onedrive account and that's it. They won't even know that they're using it. It might send some scary emails like "your cloud backup is full!!!11 you gonna lose everything!!111" but those go directly in spam. Error messages in windows for regular users appear like "����� �������� �����������" - their eyes don't have the right encoding to understand the message, so they just click OK and dismiss it. Instead, the red dot is prominent in the home screen of every iphone and bother also those that don't read the error messages....

princessnorah , (edited )
@princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Wow. I genuinely can't believe people are upvoting you for this. Like yeah, I super agree it's a dark pattern. Stealing people's data is WAY worse though, uploading potentially sensitive photos or documents to their cloud with no user input. But according to you that's fine because it's less obtrusive and annoying? Yeesh I'm glad I don't have your priorities.

Edit: Like, have you seen most people's home screens? They'll have a dozen other "red dots" and it becomes part of the background. In the same way as you talk about with Windows errors. Here's mine:

https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/pictrs/image/674e3f43-da29-436d-8d0f-52456ea05857.png

Oh noooo, a red dot on the Settings app...with all the other red dots...

Moonrise2473 ,

For me it was annoying enough to switch to android. I really felt like I had to use iCloud, forced through my throat. I have ocd and a red dot means "I need to open this app immediately RIGHT NOW to clear it" - and then your can't clear it until you subscribe

esaru , (edited )

There should be an option to say "I've read it and I decided against it" that makes the dot disappear.

princessnorah ,
@princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Yes. I completely agree that there should be. However the other poster's claim that it makes Apple just as bad as Microsoft turning a syncing feature on without user consent is ludicrous imo. That just feels like giving them a free pass on what is, I believe, an as before unseen escalation in the erosion of user privacy by large corporations.

eveninghere ,

I really like Jobs-era Apple and hate M$, but didn't feel the urge to defend A this time.

B0rax ,

That red dot should disappear if you disable iCloud (yes, it is different from not setting it up… it is not good, but you can get rid of it)

Powderhorn ,
@Powderhorn@beehaw.org avatar

There's always the option to store things locally. You want to get fancy, you can set up a NAS for remote access.

Saying "isn't X also doing Y" implies the behaviour itself isn't the problem, when it is. Doesn't matter who's using dark patterns for rent-seeking; it matters that we've normalized it.

Th4tGuyII , to Technology in Windows 11 is now automatically enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission
@Th4tGuyII@fedia.io avatar

Pretty sure later updates for Windows 10 started doing this too, or at least it did on my PC.

Had to completely uninstall OneDrive to get it to stop - which Microsoft sure do make quite difficult to do.

brie , to Technology in Windows 11 is now automatically enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

As a reminder, you can always just uninstall OneDrive and call it a day.

Until Microsoft takes that option away as well....

NaibofTabr ,

Or just reinstalls it in the next update.

Moonrise2473 ,

They never reinstalled OneDrive after an update... yet

(I hate how I have to uninstall useless shit after updates)

narc0tic_bird ,
@narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee avatar

Yeah, it's also not "just" if it's one of what feels like hundreds of steps now to make the OS somewhat usable.

wagoner ,

I did that and it was a mess, with warnings about being unable to backup that I couldn't get rid of. I had to reinstall to try to turn off syncing, then remove again. But it's so integrated that my desktop is still under a OneDrive subfolder and it's still referenced in various places.

Is there a guide to completely removing this from Windows 11 cleanly?

derbis ,

It's ltsc an option for 11 like it was for 10?

wagoner ,

No idea but, after a quick search to learn what this is, I'm not sure how it would help were it to be an option.

derbis ,

You can disable so-called essential components and I believe it ships without almost any of the bloat. So essentially you could just take one drive out, or not have it in the first place. Or at least that's my hope

Faydaikin , to Technology in Windows 11 is now automatically enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission
@Faydaikin@beehaw.org avatar

Isn't the entire point of the newer versions of Windows just to force the engagement with applications you normally wouldn't use?

thingsiplay , to Technology in Windows 11 is now automatically enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission
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Not surprised.

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