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kandoh , to Canada in 'Internal purposes only': Memo backs claim Trudeau government suppressing carbon-tax impact data

The problem with the carbon tax is the same problem with the US's Obamacare. It's the conservative solution that liberals picked because they thought it would be the easiest way to get the right on board with a plan of action.

In reality, the easiest way to get the right on board with a plan of action is if you either bribe them or threaten them with an overwhelming show of force. They can't be worked with, only steamrolled.

xmunk , to Canada in 'Shocking,' 'abusive': Liberals blasted for blocking over 1,000 documents from foreign interference committee

Slammed

Fuck the natpo.

cyborganism , to Canada in 'Shocking,' 'abusive': Liberals blasted for blocking over 1,000 documents from foreign interference committee

Please try to find alternative sources when you see articles from the National Post.

I really don't trust them.

SamuelRJankis ,

Looking at the previous article about this that has more quotes: https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/liberal-government-blocking-over-1000-documents

I did find most of the quotes under the section "NSICOP’s access to relevant documents" of the actual National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians Annual Report 2023

For anyone looking at which part National Post decided to omit:

  1. Despite this unprecedented access, obstacles remained in accessing all relevant
    information. Notwithstanding the four Cabinet documents, federal departments and
    agencies withheld or refused the disclosure of over a thousand documents, in whole or
    in part, on the basis that they were Cabinet confidences. Specifically, close to a quarter
    of these documents were withheld in their entirety. The Committee is concerned that
    some departments and agencies may be inappropriately using claims of Cabinet
    confidences to avoid disclosing information to the Committee.
  1. The Committee was pleased to note that, further to its comment on this issue in its
    Annual Report 2022, the government has begun to identify which relevant documents
    are being withheld and on what basis, including claims of Cabinet confidence
    . This
    has allowed it to conclude that there are many such claims being exercised for each
    review. The Committee reiterates the comments made in its Special Report on the
    National Security and Intelligence Activities of Global Affairs Canada in asking the
    government to address this issue. It continues to state that while a legislative change
    to the definition of Cabinet confidence is desirable, in the near term, a clear statement
    of policy that NSICOP should be barred from receiving only core Cabinet secrets
    would go some way to addressing the issues being experienced. Specifically, such a
    statement could outline that information withheld from the Committee under section
    14(a) of the NSICOP Act would be limited to that which is provided directly to Cabinet
    or ministers attending Cabinet committee meetings and which reveals options, Cabinet
    deliberations or discussions of these meetings.

Really the question would any of these other parties allowed unfettered access to all their document from National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians which does include opposition MP's.

brenticus ,

Notwithstanding the four Cabinet documents, federal departments and
agencies withheld or refused the disclosure of over a thousand documents, in whole or
in part, on the basis that they were Cabinet confidences.

Wait, is this even a Liberal thing then? It sounds like they requested information from federal departments and those departments said "We have these documents but cannot share them due to Cabinet confidence." That doesn't sound like it involves a single elected entity, nevermind a Liberal one.

SamuelRJankis ,

Ultimately it is the current government saying no.

The rest the parties could easily pass a bill where NSICOP has full access to everything and if any of the members of found be using the information for political advantage they would be significantly prosecuted, but as usual I think this is more about theatrics then making things better.

cyborganism ,

Ooooh!!! Nice job! Yeah that says to me that this might be due to the agencies and not the liberals.

northmaple1984 OP ,

And I really don't trust the CBC yet I still post thoss articles and don't complain about other people posting them.

cyborganism ,

Why don't you trust the CBC?

northmaple1984 OP , (edited )

Because it's literallt the government's media wing. Didn't trust it during the Chrétien, Martin or Harper years, don't trust it now, won't trust it when the CPC is back in.

I don't trust sources like Global or the Toronto Star either but at least they're an arm's length away from the government which makes them more credible than the CBC.

cyborganism ,

Good point.

cyborganism , to Canada in 'Internal purposes only': Memo backs claim Trudeau government suppressing carbon-tax impact data

Trudeau and his government are moving us backwards in climate change action. Thing are already worse in terms of weather with extreme heat already hitting us in May and June.

Climate scientists everywhere are simply giving up any hope lately with how not a single government cares about climate change and how bad we're fucking up out planet.

bionicjoey , (edited )

moving us backwards in climate change action. Thing are already worse in terms of weather

The entire rest of the world is destroying the environment too. Carbon tax is a good step we can take in the right direction, but don't expect to see any change to the climate disasters affecting us just because our country enacts a good climate policy.

cyborganism ,

It's not good enough. It's basically allowing companies to share their pollution output.

bionicjoey , (edited )

No, it's not. Any economist will tell you that the best way of making companies care about the environment is to make them have to pay for every bit of pollution they generate. It's called taxing an externality, and it's basically the best solution we have to the tragedy of the commons.

cyborganism ,

I think there's better options. Like creating strict laws to control pollution and revoking companies their right to run their business if they don't comply and have the people in charge face potential jail time if it has adverse health on local residents or destroys the local ecology.

bionicjoey ,

Yeah but none of that is realistically possible. The cost of enforcing those rules and ensuring that companies aren't finding loopholes to skirt the law is untenable. A carbon tax is simple, easy to track, and if companies try to get around it, then it's tax evasion (and not the kind that can be mitigated by moving to Panama or Ireland), which the government usually takes pretty seriously.

villasv ,

It’s not good enough.

This is a bit subjective, but not unfair.

Trudeau and his government are moving us backwards in climate change action.

Hmm, well, small steps forward is still forward movement.

cyborganism ,

We're among the top world carbon emitters and the Alberta oil plays a big part of it.

We really need to curb oil producing in Canada and turn to green energies ASAP.

Fuck Alberta's feeling. This needs to happen NOW.

Arkouda ,

What are you doing to help solve the problem or mitigate your personal contributions to the problem?

limitedduck ,

Someone could reply to your comment saying they just follow their municipal guidelines and they could be doing more than someone with a long list of whatever because their government has implemented better climate action systems.

Grilling individuals on their personal contributions is unproductive because climate change is a systemic, societal issue that is beyond any individual.

Arkouda ,

There is no Government on the planet doing anywhere close to enough to make real impact. Feel free to name any Government you feel is an exception and I will get back to you with a long list of shit they are doing or not doing to accelerate the problem.

Systemic social issues only begin to change on individual levels. If you aren't willing to take responsibility for what you are doing to contribute, and simply want to "Blame the system" for everything, you are the one being unproductive and contributing heavily to the problem.

I contribute less than 1 kitchen catcher worth of waste every week to landfills. I support local business' who source local materials whenever possible to ensure the products I use make as little impact as possible. I walk everywhere I can, which is basically everywhere up to 50km a day when I need to. I clean up garbage in parks, help plant new trees and gardens, and maintain my own at home to help the bee populations. I use as little electricity as possible, and this is even living in a place that is basically 100% green generated.

I go out of my way to do everything I can as an individual in an attempt to demonstrate how easy it is to do these things. Every day I am learning and changing in order to be better than I was yesterday and make less impact as an individual. I also have my partner doing all of this with me, so all the effort is two fold. All without relying on Government initiatives, aid, or even permission.

So again I ask: What are you doing to help?

WhoLooksHere ,

I refuse to put the blame on individuals for climate change 100 companies are responsible for 71% of emissions

https://amp.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/jul/10/100-fossil-fuel-companies-investors-responsible-71-global-emissions-cdp-study-climate-change

There are plenty of things for individual things people can do, but the responsibility rests on corporations for this mess. And it can’t be individuals to clean it up.

And before someone starts saying that corporations only driven by individual consumerism, what other choice do we have? They literally make things to break more.

It’s just greed at the end of the day.

Arkouda ,

Can you please explain how your comment is a response to mine?

I can admit my faults, and I am actively changing what I do in order to be a better human. You seem to want to blame anyone but yourself so you can remain comfortable and do nothing at all to help.

I refuse to let individuals off the hook when they choose not to put in the effort to be a part of the solution. If you wish to continue this conversation please respond to what I said previously instead of using my comment to soap box your own points.

WhoLooksHere , (edited )

Because even if all individuals stopped polluting today magically, it still wouldn’t be enough.

Take that energy you’re using to hold individuals accountable and hold those actually polluting accountable.

EDIT

You seem to want to blame anyone but yourself so you can remain comfortable and do nothing at all to help.

You seem to be holding everyone but the organizations that are actually polluting.

Arkouda ,

Because even if all individuals stopped polluting today magically, it still wouldn’t be enough.

Over 8 Billion individuals not polluting the environment wouldn't change anything?

You seem to be holding everyone but the organizations that are actually polluting.

Tell me more about how multi billion dollar organizations can exist without a customer base. I am all ears on this one.

WhoLooksHere ,

So you honestly believe the largest polluters will just stop polluting if consumers change habits?

Because like I cited, the vast majority of pollution comes from corporations. Not people.

Arkouda ,

Yes I do. Can you explain how I was some how unclear? This will be to my benefit in the future because I really do not know how I could have been more explicit.

Corporation literally means "Group of people". Your citation is worthless to your argument because it ignores that fact, which also supports my point. Thank you for that and have a wonderful day.

WhoLooksHere ,

A) I thought it was up to individuals not groups.

B) we can’t even get people to agree the earth is round. You really expect to be able to change individual habits?

Arkouda ,

Go argue for the sake of it elsewhere and come back when you have a real point to make.

Auli ,

Sure it would change something but it wouldn't be enough to actually change the outcome. Companies are polluting way more then those over 8 billion people are. But yet everything governments come up with is you have to do this you have to do that. I mean growing up recycling was pushed hard on us. And look at the scam that turned out to be cause companies where just sending it to third world countries or dumping it in the landfills. Not to mention the best one is reduce but that hurts corporate profits.

Arkouda ,

Companies do not pollute, people do. Companies require people to exist as Companies do not exist independently of anything else. It is a concept.

Companies are not people, therefore "Companies" cannot pollute. Groups of people pollute.

Don't be a part of those groups.

cyborganism ,

Sure, I'll tell you.

I'm living in a medium density condo building with 25% of it dedicated to social housing. In an area where I have everything I need within a 10-30 minute walk. Living right next to a subway line and several bus lines that can take me to all the key areas in my city, which I use everyday, in addition to biking. I recycle anything that's recyclable. Compost everything that's compostable. Buy my groceries from a local green grocer and buy everything I can buy in bulk using reusable containers. I repair my stuff as much as I can even if it costs more than a brand new one. Buy a lot of used products, such as electronics to minimize e-waste. Speaking of which, I bring any other waste to my borough's eco center.

I think I'm doing my part, wouldn't you say?

Arkouda ,

I wouldn't say that no. That is minimizing impact, and in my opinion, the absolute bare minimum every single human should be doing with no excuses.

I would also say look in to recycling a little deeper and add that to the negative side of your impact because most "recycled" items end up in land fills. I would also ask why you do not walk more. I would also ask why you aren't adding green space and growing food on your balcony. I would ask why you aren't helping with community gardens instead of shopping essentially nullifying your food foot print with produce. I would ask why you don't go for a hike and forage the massive amount of foods found for free in a park.

I would ask why you need all the electronics you have in the first place, or if you know how much brought to an eco center winds up in a land fill.

I would not say you are even scratching the surface of "doing your part" because we have not even touched on everything and then we have to get to promoting the behavior to other humans.

The point is waiting around for others to do things is what will lead to extinction level events. Do it on your own and hope everyone starts following or doing better so you can do better.

cyborganism ,

Your expectations are unrealistic and completely ridiculous.

How my domestic recycling waste and e-waste ends up in landfills is not my responsibility. My municipality put in place a recyling program and my responsibilities stop at sorting my waste accordingly so it can be recycled. Even if I do my best to minimize waste, there is still going to be some. After that, its the responsibilities of the government and the companies they hire behind the programs to do their job.

You want me to walk more?? I'm already walking everywhere except to work, which I go to by subway. I barely ever even use the bus becaue I rarely ever have to leave my neighborhood. My job's office is 2 hours away by foot. You think I'm going to lose 2 hours of sleep to walk to work with my heavy backpack with my work laptop and shit? Get real.

We're already growing food on our 1.5m x 3m balcomy. But the sunlight is too strong and it burns our plants and barely grow anything. And we're not going to survive on 5 green bean pods, 2 eggplants, 4 tomates and 3 strawberries and a handful of herbs. The neighborhood community garden is already full and we couldn't get a spot this year. And that still wouldn't be enough to feed ourselves over the summer. And what are we supposed to do in the winter? Turn our living room into a garden while we're at it? Fuck it. Turn our whole condo unit into a greenhouse and sleep in the dirt?

You know, when you walk into any kind of store, even grocery stores, you look at all the shit they sell and how much of it is wrapped in plastic for no reason, that's the company's responsibility to stop using plastics to wrap everyting. It ain't my fucking fault if the only available lettuce where I live is wrapped in plastic. It ain't my fault if the company that made my clothes use sysnthetic fibers that add microplastics to the environment. It ain't my fault if the pair of scissors I bought from a local brand was actually made in some manufacture in South Asia and was shipped here by container cargo boat.

I do my best to avoid all this shit, but in the end, companies have a fucking responsibility. I'm doing my fucking part. Now it's up to them to do theirs. Especially when they're the ones responsible for the vast majority of the world pollution and greenhouse gasses.

You need to change your perspective.

Arkouda ,

How my domestic recycling waste and e-waste ends up in landfills is not my responsibility. My municipality put in place a recyling program and my responsibilities stop at sorting my waste accordingly so it can be recycled. Even if I do my best to minimize waste, there is still going to be some. After that, its the responsibilities of the government and the companies they hire behind the programs to do their job.

It is your responsibility. 100% your responsibility. Just like everyone else.

If you think "I am doing my part by using broken systems that literally makes the problem worse" is a solid argument maybe you need the perspective shift here.

You want me to walk more?? I’m already walking everywhere except to work, which I go to by subway. I barely ever even use the bus becaue I rarely ever have to leave my neighborhood. My job’s office is 2 hours away by foot. You think I’m going to lose 2 hours of sleep to walk to work with my heavy backpack with my work laptop and shit? Get real

You can justify laziness all you want. I walk to work 2 hours every day back and forth. I also lose no sleep because I schedule my time well. I still have 6 hours every work day for anything else I want as well.

I got real. Real damn good at scheduling my time.

We’re already growing food on our 1.5m x 3m balcomy. But the sunlight is too strong and it burns our plants and barely grow anything. And we’re not going to survive on 5 green bean pods, 2 eggplants, 4 tomates and 3 strawberries and a handful of herbs. The neighborhood community garden is already full and we couldn’t get a spot this year. And that still wouldn’t be enough to feed ourselves over the summer. And what are we supposed to do in the winter? Turn our living room into a garden while we’re at it? Fuck it. Turn our whole condo unit into a greenhouse and sleep in the dirt?

This kind of hyperbolic straw man building is helpful to no one. Honestly, what point are you trying to make here?

I assure you food will be a lot more scarce and life a whole lot harder if you and everyone else holding this attitude keeps doing so.

You know, when you walk into any kind of store, even grocery stores, you look at all the shit they sell and how much of it is wrapped in plastic for no reason, that’s the company’s responsibility to stop using plastics to wrap everyting. It ain’t my fucking fault if the only available lettuce where I live is wrapped in plastic. It ain’t my fault if the company that made my clothes use sysnthetic fibers that add microplastics to the environment. It ain’t my fault if the pair of scissors I bought from a local brand was actually made in some manufacture in South Asia and was shipped here by container cargo boat.

Your fault you bought it. You are the consumer and by the sounds of it you believe you are not responsible for what you choose to consume. Not sure how you manage to rationalize that one but I won't pretend like you aren't clearly a huge part of the problem based on what you have said to me so far.

I do my best to avoid all this shit, but in the end, companies have a fucking responsibility. I’m doing my fucking part. Now it’s up to them to do theirs. Especially when they’re the ones responsible for the vast majority of the world pollution and greenhouse gasses.

I am really tired of this narrative. The companies can only exist if you and others support them. They are not autonomous beings who can live independent of anything else. Even if legally speaking some countries consider corporations "people", they aren't actually people. It is interesting how that narrative informs your opinion though eh?

You need to change your perspective.

I have. Take any longer to play catch up and you are going to bore me into no longer responding.

Auli ,

What a bunch of bullshit it's our responsibility to what? We recycle stuff they throw it int the landfill what are we supposed to do about that. Ok what is your solution to recycling being a scam? What do you do with your electronics, plastics whatever? How do you get out of the broken system I'd like to know and so would others so we could better the planet.
The other thing is even though you do all this it isn't making one bit of difference in the world, and if everyone did this it still wouldn't make one bit of difference cause the companies doint 80+ percent of the pollution would still do it and nothing would change.

Arkouda ,

Keep crying about companies, I will keep doing what I am doing. Meet back in a year and we can see who is happier at the end of it. Deal?

Auli ,

Sure put it on the consumer again like every other climate policy. You have to do this you have to do that well companies are polluting far more then the general public is but they get a free pass cause You can do something.

Arkouda ,

"They" don't get a free pass, I never said "they" did. I don't support "them", and if every one else did the same, "they" wouldn't be a problem.

Quite simple when you think about it.

Max_P ,
@Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me avatar

And PP's campaign is half about undoing everything that's been done so gas guzzling F350 drivers in Alberta are happy and vote for him.

There's no winning this without economic impact and mass anger from the population.

vinceman , to Canada in Canada Post wants no part of Trudeau Liberals' gun grab: CEO

Chill and rational headline from natpo as usual.

swordgeek , to Canada in Ontario mom pulls Jewish daughter out of high school after antisemitic 'culture' event

"...students making antisemitic comments to her daughter and to her friends about her being a Jew."

OK, that is antisemitic and totally unacceptable.

"There were student walkouts about Gaza."

Yep, and that's NOT antisemitic!

"The school permitted students to wear T-shirts and jewelry depicting the eradication of Israel, mother and daughter said."

I'd love to see this clothing. I can't imagine a teacher allowing anyone wearing a 'destroy Israel' shirt. Was it really calling for the eradication of Israel, or for an end to the IDF's genocide?

psvrh , to Canada in Ontario mom pulls Jewish daughter out of high school after antisemitic 'culture' event
@psvrh@lemmy.ca avatar

Netanyahu put a target on every Jew's back just to save his own political skin.

northmaple1984 OP ,

Nah I'm pretty sure there was plenty of Islamists, neonazis and other groups from all sorts of countries targeting Jews long before Netanyahu was around and there will be long after he's gone. This is just the latest chapter in the several thousand year old world history of antisemitism.

psvrh ,
@psvrh@lemmy.ca avatar

You're not wrong, but Netanyahu's actions made it worse.

There's a reason why it's in a country's best interests to obey international laws and standards, because not doing so increases the likelihood of your citizens and your diaspora facing

We saw this with Americans in the middle east during and after the second gulf war, we saw it with the Japanese expats during WWII, and we're seeing it with Jews outside of Israel now: in every case, jingoism in an origin country--and the abuses that inevitablt follow--resulted in soldiers, expats and travellers being abused abroad.

The parallels between Israel after 10/6 and America after 9/11 are depressing: both countries suffered an attack that, by all rights, should have garnered them moral, economic and judicial support world-wide, and both countries' leaders pissed away that advantage because their leaders were opportunists who used a crisis for personal gain, and the results trashed their reputation and put their citizens at even more risk.

m0darn , to Canada in Ontario mom pulls Jewish daughter out of high school after antisemitic 'culture' event

It does sound like the student is witnessing calls for the elimination of Israel, which is (in my opinion) way too close to calls for genocide to be tolerated in a school. I'm not sure an art teacher can be faulted for not understanding the geography and history of the conflict well enough to recognize that the map is showing a Palestine displacing Israel, and the students that made the map probably don't understand that depicting Palestine displacing Israel is (I believe) reasonably understood as a call to genocide.

I'm not sure what the school can reasonably do.

jadero ,

Being an art teacher isn't an excuse. Everyone should have a basic grasp of the issues and I would argue that being a teacher in any subject elevates that from "should" to "must."

I would hope that art is in our schools not merely to promote a leisure activity but to examine different ways of viewing the world. Doing that requires more than just drawing counterfactual maps.

m0darn ,

Everyone should have a basic grasp of the issues and I would argue that being a teacher in any subject elevates that from "should" to "must."

But a basic understanding of the Israel/ Palestine conflict doesn't include being able to recognize the borders of Israel/Palestine from a child's art project.

jadero ,

But a basic understanding of the Israel/ Palestine conflict doesn't include being able to recognize the borders of Israel/Palestine from a child's art project.

Why not? I have only a high school education and some trade school, all before 1980, and have what it takes to not screw up like this. Surely a university educated person charged with the responsibility to guide our children through complex issues should be held to at least that standard.

m0darn ,

I think you're seriously overestimating the population's geographical competency.

jadero ,

No doubt, but this isn't about the general population, but someone who is supposed to be trained in the ways of making sure that they're not leading kids too far astray.

Therealgoodjanet , to Canada in Ontario mom pulls Jewish daughter out of high school after antisemitic 'culture' event

Wow, look at this Karen being part of the problem and making her child’s life infinitely harder. Way to go.

I see she never interacts with any minorities either if she thinks that “Jews are the only minority marginalized group that gets to be told by other people what is and what isn’t offensive. No other group would be told to calm down and to relax.” Holy cow she’s delusional.

key , to Canada in Ontario mom pulls Jewish daughter out of high school after antisemitic 'culture' event

Oh wow newsite comments are always fun.

Jewish voters vote for leftists by a vast margin. They must switch their vote to Trump and Conservatives. Otherwise they are doomed.

Trump for Prime Minister!

awwwyissss ,

Yeah... it's a bot

electro1 , to Canada in Ontario mom pulls Jewish daughter out of high school after antisemitic 'culture' event
@electro1@infosec.pub avatar

If only everyone stops believing in their bullshit humanized deities a looot of these conflicts would just vanish... But my Gods dick is bigger than your God's dick...

BlameThePeacock ,

Nah people would find the next thing to hate each other over easily. Skin, language, clothing, it does not matter. We always find a way to separate them from us.

systemglitch ,

You used , when I think you should have used ;

We cannot occupy the same space.

electro1 ,
@electro1@infosec.pub avatar

I agree, but

to hate each other over easily. Skin, language, clothing

what's the one thing that directly tells people that they should do all this, and it's justifiable and they blindly follow it

sunbather ,

i may be misinterpreting your comment but do you imply religion is what? cuz colonialism is by insurmountable lengths the bigger culprit

electro1 ,
@electro1@infosec.pub avatar

I mean both of their religions teach their followers to invade other regions, it's easy to predict Jews and Muslims actions, just read their scriptures it's their written agenda... Religion is cancer .. Next question

sunbather ,

mind supplying concrete examples? isnt judaism literally supposed to be the religion of peace in theory? to be clear im not a fan of religion either but im also not a fan of ignoring the real issues and saying "just read their scriptures" on the assumption that what you consider to be obvious signs of this supposed agenda is the universal interpretation

BlameThePeacock ,

Most religions actually say not to be an asshole to other religions, people just ignore it.

adespoton ,

If you think modern Zionism is about religion in anything but name, or that Palestinian nationalism is about Islam in anything but name, what you believe is even more questionable than what they believe.

If all religion vanished overnight, the same people would be fighting over the same land with many of the same arguments, but something else substituted for the religion.

Tribalism knows no borders.

electro1 , (edited )
@electro1@infosec.pub avatar

what you believe is even more questionable than what they believe

this is not about me, and my beliefs are my own to judge

but something else substituted for the religion.

I agree, but when you live in country far away from that conflict zone, and you see this kind of hate towards people who have nothing to do with it... you know it's about ideology saying it's not about religion is the same thing as saying: it's Ok to let a harmful teachings keep spreading.. why not debunk the hell out of it ? and worry about the next issue later... you can't deny Religion's role ... It's one of the biggest factors ... Explain to me why Abu Abaida starts his speeches by doing Basmala, or why this guy doing a protest is screaming Allahu Akbar..

Ideology is the core of tribalism, I didn't say it's the only factor

yokonzo , to Canada in Homelessness increased by 20 per cent despite $443 million Liberal plan: PBO

God why must everything be polarized

corsicanguppy , to Canada in Homelessness increased by 20 per cent despite $443 million Liberal plan: PBO

What would the homeless numbers be without a plan to reduce it? When NatPo's done with its crystal ball, can we use it for other things? What would (US Republican-tied) Chatham Asset Management suggest as a better plan? Declare homelessness illegal and house people in jails for profit?

Showroom7561 , to Canada in Homelessness increased by 20 per cent despite $443 million Liberal plan: PBO

Prior to the Liberals coming to power Ottawa was responsible for about seven per cent of the money spent on reducing homelessness, a number that rose only to 14 per cent with all the new money. Most of the money spent on reducing homelessness was spent by provincial and municipal governments.

This is the most important take away.

The Liberal government doubled their funding, but it's the provinces and municipalities who are responsible for spending it in ways that help the homeless.

Any failings are on them, and the headline makes it seem like Liberals are at fault.

HikingVet ,

Well, that is normal for natpo.

DerisionConsulting , to Canada in Homelessness increased by 20 per cent despite $443 million Liberal plan: PBO

The PBO found that the program had paid for 17,849 people to find housing placements and for an additional 5,399 people to find emergency housing

So the conclusion is homelessness has risen, but it would be worse without the money.

canis_majoris ,
@canis_majoris@lemmy.ca avatar

Yeah but it's NatPo, so you have to have some conservative angle about how spending money on social issues is literally the devil.

DerisionConsulting ,

They only think that spending public money on social issues is literally the devil.

I thought that I've seen Natpo take money from the rich to post ads disguised as articles about how good those rich people are for donating to things, but it was hosted content from other "Post Media" outlets. So, it's still basically them, just not them-them.

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