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voracitude , to memes in This is half the fucking interweb, right now. JESUS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE THEM YOUR REAL EMAIL ADDRESS. Fucking calm down.

You're not wrong. If the concurrent player count had dropped by 99% on announcement and stayed there for a week with no new sales it would have sent a message at least. But you remember the "shitstorm" around Hogwarts Legacy? 850 million in the first two weeks regardless 🤷‍♀️ that's the kind of shitstorm most would weather gladly, I'd bet.

But hey, you need blameless developers doxxed and threatened, gamers are your best option every time! Heheh yeah up top 🙌

ChillDude69 OP ,

EXACTLY.

And I mean, unlike the Hogwarts Legacy situation, this shit has a simple and 100 percent effective remedy.

Sony's asking for everyone's email address? Okay. EVERYONE give them throwaway email addresses, and NEVER interact with any of their mailing list garbage, or do anything else with those PSN accounts.

Let them have a huge list of completely worthless email addresses. There is no downside to letting them choke on that shit.

Like I said in another comment, there should be a continued campaign of everyone ALWAYS giving out throwaway email addresses that they never use to do anything other than sign up for the free shit, and nothing else.

Keep that up for long enough, and eventually the value of these bulk lists of email addresses will plummet to functionally zero. And that will mean less corporate nonsense, at least of that kind. And less attempts to hack companies for their email lists. I mean, why commit a federal crime, to obtain worthless data?

voracitude ,

The funniest thing to me is that this lot will even admit that the Steam page said a Sony account was required from the beginning, even though it actually wasn't initially. Nobody got bait-and-switched, they either didn't pay attention or they think the temporary reprieve should have been permanent with absolutely nothing to justify that position. "It's not necessary!" is a shit argument, they said it would be and the game got bought anyway.

Though I'd say Hogwarts Legacy had an equally simple solution: people could have just not fuckin bought it. At least, waited a year. Fuck it, a month would have been enough. One month, zero sales. Fuckin ow, right? But no, kiddos gotta have their shinies. I still haven't bought that game, so I guess I accidentally did a better job of protesting than all the people screaming who went and preordered it 🤷‍♀️

Screaming is cathartic but doesn't effect change; you need action for that.

ChillDude69 OP ,

There's a huge back-and-forth going on right now, with people claiming Sony changed the fine print, and so it is bait-and-switch, and it just devolves into absolute fucking nonsense. It's like on South Park, when the crowd of townspeople are all yelling "RABBLE-RABBLE-RABBLE-RABBLE."

Screaming is cathartic but doesn’t effect change; you need action for that.

Exactly. And in this case, we can all have our cake and eat it, too. My point about Hogwarts was that people would still have to make a decision about buying it or not. But with Helldivers 2, there's ABSOLUTELY NO REASON FOR A BOYCOTT.

We all just have to give Sony email addresses that we don't care about. That will harm Sony's PR bullshit-artists, while continuing to reward the ACTUAL ARTISTS who made this game.

I mean, I saw people on Reddit talking about how Sony's response will be to make sure Helldivers 3 never happens. Well, if these people succeed in organizing a boycott of Helldivers 2, that IS TOTALLY WHAT WILL HAPPEN. Do they think Sony will give another dumptruck full of money to this studio, if they know the next game won't sell?

People are acting like it's the principle of the thing, because "Sony lied to us." Even if that's true, it doesn't matter. Corporations are always going to lie to you. When the lie is "maybe we technically said we didn't need you to give us any random email address, but now we've decided we do need an email address," just give them the stupid email address.

Take the win. It will literally cost them money to store that worthless data.

Alto , to memes in This is half the fucking interweb, right now. JESUS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE THEM YOUR REAL EMAIL ADDRESS. Fucking calm down.
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ChillDude69 OP ,

For a while now, I've been telling people that this screenname is aspirational.

That's basically the truth of the matter.

Matticus , to memes in This is half the fucking interweb, right now. JESUS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE THEM YOUR REAL EMAIL ADDRESS. Fucking calm down.

The simple reality of the situation is it was a business decision by Sony. They saw this groundswell of potential players to add to their huge database of people to market to, and said "we're getting those email addresses". If I had to venture a guess, the higher-ups at Arrowhead are probably livid and pushed back. They get zero out of this change and they have to deal with the fallout. It's likely part of the publishing agreement.

That said Sony knew this would happen, if probably not to this degree. Maybe they post a solemn jpeg talking about how they "fell short of expectations". Being Sony it's likely that they just ignore the backlash. Their projections say they'll make more money with all that new data than they'll lose on some half-hearted boycott. Gamers are notoriously horrid at sticking to that shit. And you know what? That next battle pass is gonna sell just fine even if the vocal folks don't buy it.

Yes, it sucks and it's reasonable to be annoyed. Yes, many loud people on the internet are acting like a helldiver kicked down their door and demanded a kidney. Yes, only one party gains from this and it's Sony. These things aren't mutually exclusive. No need for argument imo.

ChillDude69 OP , (edited )

They saw this groundswell of potential players to add to their huge database of people to market to, and said “we’re getting those email addresses”

See, this is the salient point, right here.

The correct response to this action is "LOL, sure. You can have my protonmail account that I only use to sign up for free shit, anyway."

Checkmate. Internet 1, Sony 0.

But instead, we get all this shit-flinging, foot-stomping, childish nonsense.

EDIT: Now that I think about it, signing up for all the shit they ask us to sign up for, in an ORGANIZED WAY, could actually change the whole situation, for the better. Here's the plan that should be enacted:

  1. Nobody gets screeching mad. Angry people behave predictably.

  2. Everyone reminds each other to ONLY USE THROWAWAY ADDRESSES TO SIGN UP FOR CORPORATE SHIT.

  3. Everyone reminds each other to NEVER ENGAGE WITH ANY MAILING LISTS OR OTHER BULLSHIT THAT YOU GET, ON ANY OF THOSE THROWAWAY ADDRESSES.

  4. Stick to that shit, for EVERYTHING. Don't try and stop people from asking for your stupid throwaway email. Don't threaten anybody with boycotting. Just continue giving out the completely worthless email addresses.

  5. Sooner or later, it becomes apparent that the majority of email addresses that are being collected in this manner are basically worthless.

  6. Consequently, the value of these email addresses plummets, both as a tradeable commodity and as a means of mining further data.

  7. Corporations slowly stop trying to track people via email.

Asayhem , to memes in This is half the fucking interweb, right now. JESUS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE THEM YOUR REAL EMAIL ADDRESS. Fucking calm down.

For sure, there's no need for any fuss, just keep quietly taking all the corporate bs as always.
Next time when you'll need to submit an income form just to access a microtransaction-riddled single player game - just use your parents bank account statement, no need to use your own.
And when you'll need to enter a fingerprint id to unlock your multiplayer account - just ask your friend to help out.

It's a modern day privacy, apparently. Someone think of those poor companies barely getting by just by selling you the game, the least you could do is share your personal data for them to sell too, better yet get locked into their ecosystem for a long term milking.

ChillDude69 OP ,

I read all the way up until "next time." I read nothing after that. Slippery slope fallacy. Thanks for playing.

captain_aggravated , to memes in Bully, Persona, TF2, Bayonetta, Cuphead, I'm sure you can name many others.
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Every "jazz fan" I've encountered has gone "This is great you should listen to this" and they put a gigantic headset with a 1/4" jack on my head and play me a ride cymbal, a muted trumpet, a piano and an upright bass all having simultaneous yet unrelated seizures. And when informed that - through my ears that have been around power tools and airplanes for approaching 4 decades - it sounds like TV static to me, they react like a Christian fundie watching you tear a bible in half. I've been cut out of people's lives for this.

Guys, I'm American. I've been exposed to Jazz music before. A lot of the slower more mellow stuff is very nice as calm, pleasant background music for a dinner party or cocktail lounge but you climb up above 200 bpm and you just lose me.

To jazz fans reading this: When trying to introduce it to new listeners, please remember it's an acquired taste. Coffee lovers don't serve double shots of extra bitter espresso to newbies, Capcaisin addicts don't serve reaper poppers to beginners. Start someone off with something a little more melodic, something that has verses and refrains and a melody they can hum later, let them get a taste for that before giving them a taste of freestyle.

ChillDude69 OP ,

To jazz fans reading this: When trying to introduce it to new listeners, please remember it’s an acquired taste. Coffee lovers don’t serve double shots of extra bitter espresso to newbies, Capcaisin addicts don’t serve reaper poppers to beginners. Start someone off with something a little more melodic, something that has verses and refrains and a melody they can hum later, let them get a taste for that before giving them a taste of freestyle.

I agree with this, but it also frustrates me, because it could be seen as backstopping the real snobs (like that one guy who showed up in this thread, already), who will look at the awesome music in the games people are mentioning in this thread and say "ahhh, yes. The fact that you jazz neophytes are able to listen to this jazz-ish music and enjoy it? That only proves that it's low-level trash. One day, you'll be ready for the training wheels to come off, and we can get you onto some REAL music. Then you can go back and listen to the soundtrack from Bully again, and realize it's disgusting bubblegum nonsense."

I don't want anything to validate that attitude.

EdibleFriend , to memes in Bully, Persona, TF2, Bayonetta, Cuphead, I'm sure you can name many others.
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You know damn well most of the nerds here main experience with jazz is Cowboy Bebop

PatMustard ,

Don't lump all of us nerds in with the weebs!

Fermion , to memes in Gimme some other phrases that work this way

Aromatic with a gooey center

Lemminary ,

"Romantic with a gooey center"

Yes, I am!

CountVon , to memes in Gimme some other phrases that work this way
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"Pungent bouquet, with an earthy flavour."

Good for cheese, depending on your tastes. Almost certainly bad in other contexts.

ChillDude69 OP ,

Hey, maybe I like my women like ambergris. Musky, greasy, and found motionless on the beach.

CountVon ,
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Hey, leave Laura Palmer out of this, she's been through enough already.

ChillDude69 OP ,

It's an old reference, sir, but it checks out.

Also, something about damn fine coffee, or whatever.

boaratio , to memes in Apparently, the sidewalk ends inside someone's vagina.

Also, he wrote the lyrics to Johnny Cash's hit song, A Boy Named Sue.

ivanafterall ,

Last time I shared this fun fact, I was sobered to learn of the sequel. It sure is somethin'.

Ageroth , to memes in Gimme some other phrases that work this way

Moist and warm. Slice of cake : toilet seat

Zoomboingding , to memes in Bully, Persona, TF2, Bayonetta, Cuphead, I'm sure you can name many others.
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The Mario series actually has a ton of fantastic jazz. Jump Up, Superstar legitimately brought me to tears the first time I heard it.

BreadOven , to memes in Bully, Persona, TF2, Bayonetta, Cuphead, I'm sure you can name many others.

Gundam Thunderbolt. Great free jazz.

"When you hear jazz, you know I'm coming"

I think that's pretty much an exact quote hahaha.

PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S , to memes in Bro, do you think I'm walking up to the gate, hoping my puppy-dog-eyes routine will get them to let me in for free? IF I WANT YOUR TICKETS, I'LL TELL YOU. FUCK OFF.
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Actually, you might need an extra ticket in case you have access to a time machine and go back in time to watch the show a second time.

TigrisMorte , to memes in Maybe it's the hot air coming up from the subway. Or out of your fucking mouth.

It isn't the heat so much as the stench.

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