WTF. Is the abstract concept of "competition" more important than weaning out of fossil fuels in order to keep Earth habitable for humans?
I find this mindset doubly crazy because the USA grants a ton of subsidies to oil companies.
China's government is horrible for a myriad reasons but this instance of concern trolling is just blatant pro-oil and pro-capital propaganda. The USA is antagonizing China for the wrong reasons and from the outside, their alleged motivations look stupid and petty.
It's immensely disheartening to see the supposed "leader of the free world" acting in such a dumb way in the face of an impending catastrophe.
I posted this elsewhere already, but it also fits here goven many of the posts in this thread: It is not just about data/privacy concerns (which are underestimated imo, as China pursues an own agenda with collecting your data through Chinese tech) and 'unfair' subsidies, but about gross human rights violations.
In short, some parts of the cheap Chinese cars are made in concentration camps where people are forced to work under catastrophic conditions.
I posted this elsewhere already, but it also fits here goven many of the posts in this thread: It is not just about data/privacy concerns (which are underestimated imo, as China pursues an own agenda with collecting your data through Chinese tech) and 'unfair' subsidies, but about gross human rights violations.
In short, some parts of the cheap Chinese cars are made in concentration camps where people are forced to work under catastrophic conditions.
Man I hate coming in and whatabouting but you do realize that the entire EV industry is committing some major atrocities against the people of the Congo right? Western corporations are ruthlessly vile down there. Everything you named and more.
How about we clean up our own yard before telling on the neighbor?
Yeah, sure clean all yards but start with your own.
Your statement here and your reaction to how the community has responded is ignorant. Not sure how self awareness is dehumanizing unless you fancy yourself a champion for corporations but okay.
Because you are speaking english and you are focusing on China instead of somewhere your voice might be heard. What are we supposed to do, bomb their civilians so they stop treating their civilians poorly? lol come on dude
China is simultaneously destroying the environment for profit and investing too much money in green technology?
A distinctive feature of purchase subsidies for BEV in China, however, is that they are paid out directly to manufacturers rather than consumers and that they are paid only for electric vehicles produced in China, thereby discriminating against imported cars.
That's an interesting way to spin subsidies on the production of electric vehicles. Why would China pay companies in other countries to produce cars?
That sounds a bit contradictory but there's an important details. Part of the accusation seems to be about picking winners, ie giving subsidies to specific companies rather than the sector as a whole.
The anti-subsidy investigation has been intended to confirm the Commission’s allegations that manufacturers of battery electric vehicles (BEV) in China benefit from countervailable – i.e. specific and advantageous to the receiving companies – subsidies
If that's true then a tweak to subsidies might technically solve the issue without changing the EU-China competition balance.
IMHO the EU should focus on carbon border tax, and on doing it quickly and efficiently. The idea is taxing import from countries that don't tax pollution, or at least less than the EU does, to make competing companies subject to similar emissions tax/regulation.
What the fuck is this bullshit article? China gives subsidies for green tech? GOOD! And then they want the EU to stop is? See, this is why we can't have nice things. When we lay parched on our barren sun baked fields this is who we can thank.
The researchers conclude that the EU should use its strong bargaining power due to the single market to induce the Chinese government to abandon the most harmful subsidies.
This is their advice? Make the technology for the green transition more expensive rather than enact your own subsidies?
By far the largest recipient of purchase subsidies was Chinese NEV manufacturer BYD, which in 2022 alone received purchase subsidies amounting to €1.6 billion (for about 1.4 million NEV) (Figure 4). The second largest recipient of purchase subsidies was US-headquartered Tesla, which received about €0.4 billion (for about 250,000 BEV produced in its Shanghai Gigafactory)
Am I reading this right? They actually gave half a billion euros to Tesla and I'm suppose to believe they are the bad guys?
This is so transparent as to be insulting. Pure oil propoganda.
Of all things you can (justly or unjustly) criticize the Chinese government, this is the most ridiculous. They're actually doing the right thing with their subsides for EVs, while the rest of the so-called "civilized world" is lagging behind.
Well... Good for them. Am I supposed to be alarmed by this? Weren't we saying a decade ago how China was the top contributor to pollution? Now they are doing something about it by investing in necessary tech?
If US and EU can't compete due to subsidies, let's increase our subsidies. C'mon, it's not rocket surgery.
That's what I like to remind people when they say that reducing emissions on our side isn't worth it because China is worse... They have a system in place that makes it so they can turn around and make the switch in a year, if we wait for them to really start moving then we'll end up decades behind them with how everything is complicated and bureaucratic in Europe and North America.
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