It came up in The Boys, Season 2. It smacked of the Jews will not replace us chant at the Charleston tiki-torch party with good people on both sides. That's when I looked it up and found it was the same as the Goobacks episode of South Park ( They tooker jerbs! )
It's got a lot more history than that, but yeah, it's important to remember that all fascist thought is ultimately based on fear, feelings of insecurity, and projection.
For reference as to why they need to try to be so heavy handed with their prompts about BS, here was Grok, Elon's 'uncensored' AI on Twitter at launch which upset his Twitter blue subscribers:
It's a result of believing misnfo. When prompts get better and we can start to properly indoctrinate these LLMs into ignoring certain types of information, they will be much more effective at hatred.
What they're learning now with the uncensored chatbots is that they need to do that next time. It's a technology that will progress.
"We need to innovate to make the machines as dumb as us" in the most depressing way. holy shit is Zach Weinersmith gonna jump out from behind a tree? It feels like he should.
This AI tools that attempt to be made "Unbiased" in the end are just fancy circlejerk machines. The likes of OpenAI 3.5 and 4 base services will likely still be the default for all people that actually use AI for anything non political.
This is entirely different. Copilot and Chatgpt doesn't exactly reproduce the code. It's paraphrasing it. By your logic you're not allowed to implement anything as the majority of algrithms originate from scientific research and papers that also have copy-rights on them.
Solution: create a GitHub repo with Markdown articles outlining human rights abuses by the CCP and have a large number of GitHub users star and fork the repo.
How will they filter it out? If they just don't mirror anything with 'forbidden' terms, we can poison repos to prevent them being mirrored. If they try to tamper with the repo histories then they'll end up breaking a load of stuff that relies on consistent git hashes.
I feel like the effort to make such a repo and make it popular enough to be cloned and rehosted is a lot more effort than someone manually checking the results of an automated filter process.
The "effort economy" is hugely in favor of the mirroring side
Yeah I figured as much. It was mostly a joke. At the end of the day, if stuff is on GH, people can take it. It's barely even stealing. Unless the license disagrees of course but then you were putting a lot of trust in society by making it public in the first place.
That’s what I don’t get about this. Why does anyone care? Even this Chinese company, why do they care to clone it all? It’s already all hosted and publicly available.
Apparently they aren't respecting licenses. It's possible to have source code publicly available on GH but have it not be truly FOSS. But that's generally not a great idea since you're effectively relying on the honour system for people not to take your code.
Even this Chinese company, why do they care to clone it all? It’s already all hosted and publicly available.
Until it isn't. Perhaps they are preparing for a future war with the US and assume their access to all that code will be blocked. They want to copy it now while they have access.
The real solution is to include a few tiananmenSquare variables in all the repositories. Either they exclude the entire repository or just the specific file, in either case the entire project may be unusable.
Two things can be bad at the same time. Wild, I know.
Edit: also, the point of my joke wasn't the human rights abuses. It is that these things are censored in China. So your comment is even more irrelevant. One could very easily create a repo outlining American crimes and put it on GitHub. But doing so in China with CCP crimes will have you sent to a Gulag
Lmao it's literally the name of a logical fallacy. How is the term itself fallacious?
Also I harbour no racism or ill will toward the Chinese people. My girlfriend is Chinese and I care about her a lot and love learning about her culture. I just don't abide the human rights atrocities (or censorship thereof) committed by any government.
It's funny how much effort you're going to debating my word choice instead of the meaning and content of my rebuttal to your stupid comment. Do you have an actual point here? Are you claiming that what you were doing above wasn't whataboutism? That it's somehow a valid counterpoint to my joke about CCP censorship to say that the US also does bad things?
Your rebuttal was nothing more than a word choice. And you're still using it.
The reason you're doing this is because if you use the actual fallacy's name, rather than the US empire's "and you are lynching negros", you're more likely to see your error.
America dropped "you are lynching negros" in favor of "whataboutism" because it made people think for a moment, hey, why are we lynching negros after all? Aren't we kinda hypocrites?
America didn't drop anything because they weren't saying it in the first place, the Soviets were. America also aren't the ones that coined a new phrase for it, British royalists were, who probably had no knowledge of the Russian phrase. All of this was explained in the article you linked.
Maybe we should consider the same for the US government instead of being afraid of the big Chinese boogeyman across the sea? Because I guarantee you the US has just as many, if not more. But China bad. 🙄
I was making a joke about abusing Chinese censorship in order to stop them cloning GitHub repos (assuming that was something you wanted to do). The joke being that the CCP suppresses information about their human rights abuses. That is not true of the US. You could absolutely make a GitHub repo detailing the crimes of the US government. Nobody will stop you.
create a GitHub repo with Markdown articles outlining human rights abuses by the CCP
Once you have logged "China killed 100 Zillion people! End CCP now!" in Chinese GitHub, everyone in China will realize that their lives are actually very bad and they need to do a Revolution immediately.
It's not about authorization. They want to build a knowledge base for when the Great Firewall gets some more filters. Just like russias mirror of wikipedia which is heavily edited to discredit the west.
It was launched in June 24, 2023 as a fork of the Russian Wikipedia, and has been described by some media groups as "Putin-friendly" and "Kremlin-compliant".
Hopefully they follow the rest of the stipulations of the licenses, such as the common one about keeping the license as such and contributing the changes back.
This seems like the most plausible explanation. Only other thing I can think of is they want to develop their own CoPilot (which I'm guessing isn't available in China due to the U.S. AI restrictions?), and they're just using their existing infrastructure to gather training data.
When they mirror it, does they uses a different username? If so I'm totally fine as that's just a fork, otherwise it should count as stolen. Not the project but the name and reputation of the owner.
They can use the same name but if the owner signs their commits we can at least spot the fake commits.
And even if they clone all repos they don't clone the build systems, so their builds of apps and windows installers will be signed with different keys.
For people who follow guides to clone something from a repo, compile it and install it, they need to be on their guard if the repo URL is not the official one.
How many know what even signed commit and build is? For people following a guide they don't even know what Github is for but a nice place to have free programs.
That's called value investing..... Maybe our dear leader should learn how to manage national wealth instead of cutting companies and allowing a geopolitical adversary to take over tech/IP
Ie this is not a flex you think it is, it just proves my point that our dear leaders are incompetent imbiciles or worst... Bad faith actors.
No accountability leads to this sort of decision making lol
I think the two of you are focusing on either end of this and not really seeing the bigger picture.
China absolutely (stole / acquired) all the technology they have for solar, EV, and grid based storage. They have literally innovated 0% in this particular industry. I don't think there's any debating this aspect.
At the same time, China has pour billions into domestic production of solar panels, lithium and sodium batteries, vehicle production, and grid based storage solutions the likes that no other country has even remotely attempted. They recent demonstrated cheap sodium based 10MWh storage systems that can be built using seawater sodium. Something that California makes a shit ton of in their desalination plants, that they currently just shove the salt off as waste byproduct.
Like, if we wanted to, that kind of thing that China just demonstrated, we could be building GWh level storage systems for 10% the cost of a 1 GWh nuclear facility strictly off a byproduct that California distinctly doesn't want and is literally paying people to take away. They could literally flip a cost into a revenue stream, but we don't because "reasons". We could literally have large batteries charged in Utah, and then use rail to move the sodium based batteries into the Eastern sections of the US, using literally the same infrastructure that we use today to move the tons of coal we move around for the TWh of power we generate. We could be doing this today. But we don't because many nations just buy the arguments politicians feed them, or "it's complicated". And then there's China demonstrating at small scale that it's doable. So instead we say "oh well it wouldn't scale" or "oh well you stole all that tech" because apparently our pride is more important than climate change.
The thing is, yes China has not committed to educating their population into novel development of these technologies. But at the same time they are deploying this stuff at rates every other developed nation has said they'd like to try and do that one day off in the future. Or can't do right now because their hands are tied.
For the folks pointing at China as the enemy, fine. I'm not going to debate it. But there's still things to learn from what they are doing with that stolen technology. Do we need to cozy up to them? Nah. But they're showing off that grid based storage at scale and cheap is a thing even though people like France and the US say that such a thing is not possible at this time. They are showing LFP is viable if you're willing to take an initial domestic loss to invest in the infrastructure, something the US citizens know but keep saying "well oil interest are holding us back". No, there's only a few dozen oil execs, there over a three hundred million non-oil execs. It's a lack of will power.
Like most western nations keep coming up with excuses for delaying EV and green technology pushes and China keeps showing many of the excuses given to be false. And we know they're false. We know the expectation of no less than $36k USD for an EV is some bullshit that car companies are pulling to offset all the baggage they have from leaving ICE. We know we could have charge stations every 100 miles on the Interstates, but we don't because oil companies don't want to lose their investments in the infrastructure they've got right now.
We know the reasons being given by our political and industry leaders are all bullshit. China is over there showing IRL how bullshit they are. Yeah, they stole everything they have, but at the same time all this "oh we couldn't possibly do that here in the US" is shown for the BS it is, that we already know it to be, in China.
I mean, great, we're all very smart people. Awesome. What good is that awesome smartness if we keep letting dumb fucks in politics pander off dumb excuses for why we don't get to enjoy any of the stuff that awesome smartness provides? What good is being innovative if corporations keep handicapping that innovation to ensure they have a steady stream of revenue?
I mean yeah, let's call China out of the bullshit they pull. But I mean, let's not forget all the damn windows we've broken ourselves in our glass house here.
I absolutely do not discredit the scaling they've done in the manufacturing process, but if there's one thing China does well, it's scale manufacturing. That's usually because they have much lower safety and quality standards, and might bring them up later on. But what they don't seem to have, at least in these industries, is innovation in the underlying technology to any appreciable extent.
But hooboy, can they pump out solar panels and batteries when they're taken off the leash.
And abso-fucking-lutely, we in Western countries continuously shoot ourselves in the foot with short-term thinking. There was a time it seemed when there were plans like the New Deal where thought was given to decades down the road. Today, the longest term outlook you see if 4 years. And that's common across the board, I wouldn't even place that just at the feet of the US. It's a damn shame, and it's the reason the middle class is getting hammered for the last 40 years. But we do know how to R&D, just now we can't get build a manufacturing base without some grifter taking all the subsidies and shipping them offshore.
Why move the batteries instead of "moving" the electrons? You generate the electricity anywhere you want and use Therese nice cables that happen to be everywhere.
HVAC suffers from loss over distance. Large distances like what's between the western US deserts and the eastern seaboard would suffer large losses to heat via HVAC.
HVDC can solve this, but that requires an investment into this kind of infrastructure. Moving the batteries is using a preexisting infrastructure because the assumption is that new infrastructure won't be upgraded. We will build new so long as a ROI has quick turn around, another assumption here being that long term profit planning won't happen so everything needs to be planned to have profiting within two or less years. But we won't build new if usage of that new happens a decade later.
We could totally send the electrons over, but sending the batteries over is adding a bunch of assumptions that people won't want to do massive investments in basic infrastructure to facilitate that, so we've got run with what we have that can ensure profits in a fairly rapid pace before investors bore of it or the next election cycle tosses everything in chaos.
They should definitely respect the licenses, that being said, Microsoft owns GitHub and can be a bit quick in what they ban. It also means they are beholden to US laws, which could turn anti FOSS-AI in the near future.
This is a smart move and I honestly hope more countries start doing it. It would probably lead to a better ecosystem.
I think projects like this are good, but I really don't want governments to create their own version of XYZ for the sake of creating clones of XYZ. I'm scared that all this will do is fragment an almost-universal collection of open-source projects into regional variants for no real reason.
The random Chinese company: owned by Huawei and CSDN (where CSDN is known to be the worst site known to Chinese developers where they literally costs money to let you download open source code)
Edit: i think my original is a bit unclear, so this is a more detailed info: the company is funded and owned by CSDN (China Software Developer Network) and the actual infrastructure and service is provided by Huawei Cloud. On the website they have written this statement in the registration page.
CSDN is mostly a platform to share posts on software development, but it is known to have a lot of issues, including:
poor content and directly copied posts from other people without consent, which to a point people is considering the site a content farm; it is even a top blocked site on Kagi;
All code provided there requires “coins” to download, even they are open-sourced code; it was reported multiple people in China got scammed via CSDN;
You have to login to copy code on the post, and sometimes hides half the post to require you to login to read.
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