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Carrolade , to World News in Russia leaves thousands of planes without GPS in northern Europe

Imagine that kinda sucks for a pilot. A ship is at least moving fairly slowly, so you have time and plenty of space to do your charting the old fashioned way. Might even be kinda fun for the first few times, a chance to actually use that skill for once. A plane would have a tougher time of it, unless it has some inertial navigating system or something.

_edge ,

unless it has some inertial navigating system or something.

Don't all commercial planes have this?

Carrolade ,

I am not a pilot or aviation watcher, so I don't know. Makes sense.

Inductor ,

They do, but compounding errors are always a problem with inertial navigation.

Instead of GPS, they can use fixed radio beacons like VOR and TACAN (which I think are both just US systems, but there are similar systems around the world and at major airports). This is basically the system that was in use before GPS.

EDIT: grammar

spirinolas ,

I understood everything in your comment! All those years playing FSX instead of going to school finally paid off!

maynarkh ,

VOR is international, my local airport has one. TACAN is military only (though some can be used as a VOR by civilian aircraft), also international, and by the way originally British as per Wikipedia.

darvocet ,

There are other ways to navigate and fly other than gps and it’s basically just as easy to do. It’s just not quite as accurate and relies on stations on the ground which have been decommissioned over the years as gps has become more prevalent. VOR to VOR flying airways and then using ILS type approaches as an example.

FlyingSquid Mod ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Would air traffic controllers be able to guide them via radar?

darvocet ,

They could but you wouldn’t want to do that for all planes. Planes follow standard departure and approach paths so the controllers know where everyone is and should be going. Moving a few planes around no biggie but if you’re doing radar vectors for everyone that will slow things down dramatically.

FlyingSquid Mod ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That makes sense. I was thinking more about emergencies because it says outages are almost daily, which means not consistent.

_edge ,

VOR

Thinking about it: This can also be manipulated by an enemy on the ground...

darvocet ,

Well they are all radio signals even the ILS and localizers. In the US our 5G network interferes with radio altimeters. A person at home can spoof airplane traffic that would show up in cockpits. Bad actors could cause havoc anywhere.

ForgotAboutDre ,

Lots of lighthouses don't operate anymore. Ships crashing into thing in the night was a big problem before GPS.

There are other navigation methods, radio towers etc. But GPS is a reliable works everywhere system, outside of malicious actors.

Carrolade ,

That's a good point, we have very few active lighthouses in the US anymore.

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  • Jesus_666 ,

    Somewhere, Gul Dukat is silently crying.

    Lexam , to World News in Amal Clooney, a key figure in the request for Netanyahu’s arrest by the International Criminal Court

    Amal Clooney should be put on trial at the Hague along with her husband! Their crime? Being too damn hot for one couple.

    Got_Bent , to Technology in Deactivating Facebook for just a few weeks reduces belief in fake news

    The last time I logged on to Facebook was this past fall because there was a death in our fairly tight knit group of high school classmates. It had been three or four years since I'd been in there.

    So I went on and said my words.

    While I was there, I didn't really notice what was in my feed.

    What I noticed was suddenly I was getting notification after notification that my posts from years and years ago were getting deleted because they didn't fit whatever the current terms and conditions of use were.

    This amused me.

    So I left my words of dead classmate up for a week then sent my account silent again.

    I can't see Facebook or any social media being a place I ever hang out again, which is a little bit of a bummer because without any social media, IRL social activities all but come to an immediate and total halt.

    Oh well. I'll live.

    demizerone , to Technology in Deactivating Facebook for just a few weeks reduces belief in fake news

    Don't turn off Facebook! Mark has a Yacht to feed!

    Donjuanme , to Technology in Deactivating Facebook for just a few weeks reduces belief in fake news

    I'm convinced those who want to be fearful of things will immediately latch onto a new source of misinformation.

    This isn't to say Facebook is good, or that we shouldn't try to have stronger punishment for misinformation that leads to public harm, just that "people are dumb, panicky dangerous animals"

    Transporter_Room_3 , to World News in Russia leaves thousands of planes without GPS in northern Europe
    @Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website avatar

    I mean.... It's obviously electronic warfare from Russia.

    There isn't a need to "accuse" and nobody will listen to a denial.

    This is just deliberate communication disruption, and prequel memes aside, we all know what disrupted communications leads to.

    And they started with Ukraine, thinking it an easy target.

    When I read an article the other day about laser point-to-point communication with a sattelite , I immediately thought to myself "oh this probably isn't good, widespread sattelite communication disruption is about to be put to widespread use, why else would this be necessary when current systems have much higher bandwidth" and you know if you're reading a news article about it, it's been put to use by the DOD for years.

    Am I sounding like a conspiracy theorist? Genuine question, because that seems reasonable in the modern world to me.

    Linkerbaan ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Wouldnt Ukraine do it too to jam Russian drones and planes GPS signals?

    PugJesus ,
    @PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

    Just Asking Questions, huh?

    Russia uses GLONASS, not GPS.

    NoIWontPickAName ,

    Sometimes people really don’t know.

    Thank you for answering the question.

    I hope you have a bad day for being an asshole about it though

    PugJesus , (edited )
    @PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

    I'm familiar with Linkerbaan. Pattern recognition is not an offense.

    EDIT:

    All from our dear friend - took me only a few minutes of searching. Not faulting you for not searching, that would be ridiculous to expect of someone who didn't know the poster, but this isn't just "SOMEONE ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT RUSSIA!" it's "Someone with a long history of playing 'bothsides' and putting forth bullshit assertions and feigning ignorance is doing it on one of the subjects they constantly do it on".

    Israel has already killed more civilians in 45 days than Putin during his entirely Ukraine war.

    The west is commiting actual genocide right now. Don’t mis use the word for Putin.

    Ukraine is doing plenty of terrorism against their occupier. Your double standards are showing.

    Reminder that israel had already killed more civilians than Putin did since the start of the Ukraine war. Biden is literally worse than Putin.

    You fuck off genocide apologist. When it came to Ukraine you were all calling for the Russians to assasinate Putin.

    Now that it’s about non white people you’re literally saying you’re gonna vote for the genocide guy. Fucking racist hypocrites.

    The war crimes Russia committed in Bucha pale in comparison to the complete genocide israel is committing right now.

    America is already talking about dropping support for Ukraine.

    Ukraine was just a proxy to exhaust Russian resources with.

    Now that the entire country is in ruin America is going to pull support and leave them for dead like they’ve done with all their other proxies.

    Even the Russians had far greater precision than this when attacking Ukraine.

    You’re in for a treat when you start reading about the Azov brigade. They’ve got literal Nazi’s.

    It’s so sad that all you have is whataboutism isn’t it? And the worst part is that Genocide Joe isn’t even the lesser of evils anymore. He is now the worse evil.

    Genocide Joe is the person able to stop this. Instead he removes all war crime restrictions on the weapons and protects israel with all his power. He is actively committing mass genocide.

    A reminder that Genocide Joe has killed more than twice as many civilians than Putin in Ukraine already.

    Not to mention the amount of children murdered by this barbaric Zio Nazi

    Not to forget Ukraine is slowly getting ditched too so the “world powers” are losing that one as well.

    Israel is like 10000% more genocidal than Russia.

    But anyone not supporting Ukraine with weapons against Russia obviously has to go because that’s very “unfreedom” of them.

    The Kurds welcome Ukraine in joining the long list of groups abandoned and left in ruins by the US after being promised support to fight their enemy as long as needed.

    Biden needs to focus on committing Genocide now. He has no time for Ukrainians beating an invasion. Surely Zeloonsky understands, he unconditionally supports israel’s genocide himself.

    Linkerbaan ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Everyone can use Glonass or GPS or the Baidu thingy from China. They publicly broadcast the timestamps there's no encryption on GPS stuff. Why would Russia limit themselves to just their own?

    PugJesus ,
    @PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

    Because Russian systems run almost exclusively off GLONASS, and GPS is owned by the USA. Russia has a history in the Ukrainian War of... get this... jamming GPS signals but not GLONASS.

    You wanna explain to me your thought process over Ukraine jamming GPS signals, the same GPS system they use, over their European allies in order to combat Russian GLONASS?

    You can stop JAQing off any time.

    Linkerbaan ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    The combined spectrum is called GNSS and you can get receivers that combine all five for get this...

    20 bucks.

    Russia would not using the other spectrums because.... ?

    Are you okay by the way? Someone asking a very reasonsonable question doesn't mean they are pro Russia.

    PugJesus ,
    @PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

    The combined spectrum is called GNSS and you can get receivers that combine all three for get this…

    20 bucks.

    Russia would not using the other spectrums because… ?

    Because that's not how integrated systems work in a massive institution like a government or military. Jesus fucking Christ.

    Are you okay by the way? Someone asking a very reasonsonable question doesn’t mean they are pro Russia.

    You really want me to trot out your long history of this bootlicking shite?

    Linkerbaan ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah nobody there would think to ever update anything. Ever. Especially not those suicide drones from Iran. Which must have been developed 50 years ago.

    GNSS is all public broadcast. There is no encryption. Nothing prevents anyone from using the extra signals of the others.

    If all you can do is spam ad hominems then don't bother responding.

    PugJesus ,
    @PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

    Yeah nobody there would think to ever update anything. Ever. Especially not those suicide drones from Iran. Which must have been developed 50 years ago.

    "Just update it!"

    The number of reasons why military-grade equipment integrated with 40 years of GLONASS-compatible systems that rely on the information given by GLONASS in its syntax can't be replaced with a 20$ consumer receiver is massive even in a country whose military isn't famously corrupt and inept.

    If all you can do is spam ad hominems then don’t bother responding.

    Oh, alright, let's go down through, shall we?

    Israel has already killed more civilians in 45 days than Putin during his entirely Ukraine war.

    The west is commiting actual genocide right now. Don’t mis use the word for Putin.

    Ukraine is doing plenty of terrorism against their occupier. Your double standards are showing.

    Reminder that israel had already killed more civilians than Putin did since the start of the Ukraine war. Biden is literally worse than Putin.

    You fuck off genocide apologist. When it came to Ukraine you were all calling for the Russians to assasinate Putin.

    Now that it’s about non white people you’re literally saying you’re gonna vote for the genocide guy. Fucking racist hypocrites.

    The war crimes Russia committed in Bucha pale in comparison to the complete genocide israel is committing right now.

    America is already talking about dropping support for Ukraine.

    Ukraine was just a proxy to exhaust Russian resources with.

    Now that the entire country is in ruin America is going to pull support and leave them for dead like they’ve done with all their other proxies.

    Even the Russians had far greater precision than this when attacking Ukraine.

    You’re in for a treat when you start reading about the Azov brigade. They’ve got literal Nazi’s.

    It’s so sad that all you have is whataboutism isn’t it? And the worst part is that Genocide Joe isn’t even the lesser of evils anymore. He is now the worse evil.

    Genocide Joe is the person able to stop this. Instead he removes all war crime restrictions on the weapons and protects israel with all his power. He is actively committing mass genocide.

    A reminder that Genocide Joe has killed more than twice as many civilians than Putin in Ukraine already.

    Not to mention the amount of children murdered by this barbaric Zio Nazi

    Not to forget Ukraine is slowly getting ditched too so the “world powers” are losing that one as well.

    Israel is like 10000% more genocidal than Russia.

    But anyone not supporting Ukraine with weapons against Russia obviously has to go because that’s very “unfreedom” of them.

    The Kurds welcome Ukraine in joining the long list of groups abandoned and left in ruins by the US after being promised support to fight their enemy as long as needed.

    Biden needs to focus on committing Genocide now. He has no time for Ukrainians beating an invasion. Surely Zeloonsky understands, he unconditionally supports israel’s genocide himself.

    It goes on and on and on and on and...

    L3mmyW1nks ,

    Thanks for this list. Wowsa

    Mighty , to science in The Earth’s core is slowing down
    @Mighty@lemmy.world avatar

    TL;DR it's no cause for concern for now. Core is changing speed and direction in cycles.

    MonkderDritte ,

    Causing magnetic pole reversal?

    Chainweasel ,

    Not likely, considering the last few times it happened it didn't. This is the first time it's happened since the 1980s, not the first time it's happened.

    DragonTypeWyvern ,

    Clive Cussler lied to me!

    MonkderDritte ,

    Oh, much faster than pole reversal.

    Which is neither the first time but every 100'000 years or so. Or was it 300k?

    webghost0101 ,

    I wonder what kinds of affects this do have?

    It would find it bizar if there are no natural phenomena connected to it.

    elbarto777 ,

    Everything happening in the universe is "natural phenomena." If we can't explain it, we don't have enough information.

    shortwavesurfer ,

    The geomagnetic field is weakening which is common during these kinds of episodes and eventually the polarity of the magnetic field will flip so that north becomes south and vice versa. During the transition though we are likely to go from our bipolar magnetic field to a quadrupolar magnetic field where the north and south poles can fluctuate between two different points each instead of the normal single point. You can see evidence of this occurring in geological history through Ignatius rock, as it cools from volcanic eruptions.

    Cybermonk_Taiji , to Technology in Deactivating Facebook for just a few weeks reduces belief in fake news

    I deleted Facebook Jan 7 2021.

    Oderus ,
    @Oderus@lemmy.world avatar

    I just created an account a couple of months ago after never using it. It's easy to filter out the dummies.

    ZILtoid1991 ,

    I envy you. In my country (Hungary), I just cannot really live without it.

    cosmicrookie , to Technology in Deactivating Facebook for just a few weeks reduces belief in fake news
    @cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

    I deleted my account back in November when they enforced the 'pay or ok' option. I was not ok with that

    Have read a lot of books since !

    dwemthy ,

    What's "pay or ok"?

    cosmicrookie ,
    @cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

    In EU you were given an option by META to pay for adfree experience or accept targeted ads

    Problem 1: if you paid, they would not stop tracking you. They would just stop showing ads. They would still be able to suggest content from commercial accounts.

    Problem 2: the price was unreasonable. It depended on how many accounts you have across the platforms but i believe that the price for my profile and a couple of pages was €32 every month

    Problem 3: these two options replaced the option to accept untargeted ads. I was ok with untargeted but they removed the option

    Their solution has since been deemed as 'not ok' by the EU data protection board

    https://www.euractiv.com/section/platforms/news/eu-data-protection-body-says-metas-pay-or-ok-model-is-not-ok/

    ReveredOxygen ,
    @ReveredOxygen@sh.itjust.works avatar

    perhaps if they pay, pay or ok will be ok?

    Kusimulkku , to World News in Cuba sentences 22-year-old mother to 15 years in prison for publishing videos of protests

    Seems a bit excessive

    SupraMario , to World News in Amal Clooney, a key figure in the request for Netanyahu’s arrest by the International Criminal Court

    Unless something comes of this, the ICC is just showing the lack of teeth it has.

    girlfreddy ,
    @girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

    The ICC has 124 member states. If the charges lead to convictions, Netanyahu and the Hamas leaders would never be able to visit those nations under threat of arrest. At the very least it would curtail their ability to advertise their violence.

    n2burns ,

    If the charges lead to convictions

    I think you mean if the warrants are issued. There is a warrant for Putin, and that made him cancel a trip to South Africa. I agree with the rest of what you said. I hate how often people let, "Perfect be the enemy of Good." It would definitely be better if the ICC had more members, but even in states that aren't signatories, the court can have an influence on their leaders.

    luciole , to Science in The fusion of two sisters into a single woman suggests that human identity is not in our DNA
    @luciole@beehaw.org avatar

    Oh this is interesting, but how do we get identical twins then? How come we get two gastrulation processes doing the exact same dance side by side, if not DNA?

    Also I didn't know about Copy Cat. Being a clone and coming out nothing like the original, what a cat thing to do. They'll wiggle out of anything, them adorable bastards.

    StillPaisleyCat ,
    @StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website avatar

    The article suggests that the environment plays a significant role in gasturlation, especially the chemistry.

    If identical twins develop in the same uterine environment, there would be greater likelihood of the same genes expressing.

    criitz ,

    Identical twins are only further proof that DNA is not identity, since they have the same DNA but different identities.

    FlyingSquid Mod , to World News in The government of Cuba declares itself in a ‘war-time economy’
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Didn't we already establish that nuking hurricanes won't work?

    Got_Bent , to science in The Earth’s core is slowing down

    Meanwhile, the mantle is tailgating the hell out of the core wishing it would move over to the right lane

    nilzen , to science in The Earth’s core is slowing down

    about fuckin time.

    Blackout ,
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    Slow core gang rises again!

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