The "left" German party banned free speech and smacked down people protesting against Genocide. Even banned people that came to speak up for Palestinian rights from all of Europe illegally (got overturned by judge) to prevent people from speaking up against israel. And the Germans proceed to equate Zionism to Judaism as much as possible to use the Jews as an excuse for their war crimes once again.
We're doing the Genocide thing already. Nazi Germany is in full force this very day providing 30% of the weapons for it.
You can't say "never again" while it's happening in front of your eyes.
The Social Democratic Party sounds pretty left to me. Scholz was supposed to be a "left wing" move compared to Angela Merkels CDU. We're not seeing much "Left winging".
This in turn will not motivate people to vote left wing. Thus boosting the right wing.
lol imagine spamming "allow trump to win to make a principled stand against genocide joe" articles to every community so much that people see your username and immediately downvote lmao
Maybe dont comment on another countries politics if your analysis doesnt go deeper than "the party is called 'this' so I recon they stand for 'this'". The spd is a centrist party, everyone in germany knows that
he SPD is a far right party as they have proven by destroying the German democracy in order to bow down to israel. Everyone with eyes can observe this.
"Far-right"? yeah im really curious about the scale you are using. What would you call the AfD if they said tomorrow that they will suppport palestine?
The one with the examples given above about how they arrested and banned people from the country people for supporting Palestine and abolished freedom of speech.
What would you call the AfD if they said tomorrow that they will suppport palestine?
I would call a perfect example of whataboutism to not have to engage with the examples I mentioned above.
The one using Social and Democrat for the name. Unless Social in Germany always means National Socialist Movement I associate that with a party representing left values.
American Democrats were also supposed to be left wing. And the Republicans right wing. Now we have far far right and far right.
Gee, the title sure is sensationalist. Nothing has been 'won' yet. The actual percentage here don't matter, the system works using two rounds in each circonscription (subdiv of France which can elect 1 MP). What really matters now is who will call to vote for who. The NFP (Left Alliance) leaders said no vote for Far Right, and Macron (in spite of how much he shat on the left) called for a 'grand coalition against the RN' (RN being Far Right here).
And I'll repeat it as many times as it takes 34% IS FAR FROM 50% (The RN is unlikely to find allies, as all the traitors of the trad right wing party have already gone to them)
Edit: forgot to mention that not all votes have been counted yet, the big cities finishing up later, which will likely drive the NFP's score up and RN's down.
34% is already lower than what they polled (and it will go down more as cities' vote get counted). Though, you are right, the normalization of Far Right IS scary af. But it's not a recent thing in France, it started nearly two decades ago, but surged to an extreme during the past few years esp with:
Bolloré (our own personal Murdock) bought more and more media, fired the journalists, and put propagandist in their place.
Macron started taking Far Right's talking points (immigration), language ('national preference', which is a concept that makes no sense) and methods (just two days ago, his party made, published and propagated on social media a fake 'NUPES' (name of the last Left Alliance) website to calculate one's future pension based on their 'program'. As it turns out, the calculations were not based off their program at all and was nearly always defavorable to the person)
Macron, when asked about the surge of Far Right, had only one response: bUt WhAt aBoUt tHe LeFt? (And goes on and on to try and sell a 'both sides' to try and make himself more popular. Spoilers: it didn't work) It's also why it's refreshingly suprirsing to not hear him bash 'theLleft' tonight, and instead call on everyone to vote against Far Right.
FWIW, I'm seeing projections based on the counts that still have them at 34, but I guess we'll see.
I agree that a resurrection of the cordon sanitaire is probably a positive and I agree that Macron was extremely clumsy, like much of the EU's centre and demochristian right, in sliding towards far right positions they just can't defend any better than the actual fascists. But still, from an international perspective France is now firmly in the club of Central European countries with a major fascist problem in a way it wasn't yesterday, even if the outcome was already understood to be going this way.
The vote finished in the night and we got the official results now. Paris voted massively NFP and Renaissance, so Far Right is now at 29.3% while NFP is just behind them at 28.0%. Honestly? Given the polls we had, RN is lower than anyone could have hoped.
I'm kind of surprised this image of France having a Far Right issue is only becoming a thing now though. These results are close (if not better for non far right voters) than the last 2022 Presidentals, and Far Right already had a huge score in 2017.
Thanks for the link! International press is still running the 33% estimate they probably got from the French morning papers or have taken down the results, so my references hadn't updated the number.
For the record, the image is not new, there was a lot of international coverage regarding Le Pen's presidential chances in 2022. But presidentials are presidentials, only one person gets to win. Legislatives raise a lot of questions about parliamentary dynamics, alliances and the potential for the second round to generate another bout of Macron shooting himself in the foot followed by him shooting everybody else in the foot for good measure. That, and there is more paranoia about the tilt right across the EU and internationally about the US.
These days it seems there’s a rough third of the population in most places that’s stupid and/or bigoted enough to vote for shit like this. Those numbers don’t shock me. But I’m hoping France proves more resistant at the national level to the hyperconservative/neofascist resurgence at the we’re seeing in a distressing number of countries.
Our current republic was founded by de Gaule, and our constitution was written by him as well. The thing, he's a millitary general, who (much like a good chunk of the French population at the time) held disdain toward parlementarism, due to the lack of stability of the Fourth Republic.
What that means? Our current system has much of the power concentrated in the hands of the gov (see 49.3 and to some extend 47.1 where the PM can just decide to override anu vote on law. It was something taboo, only used a fair few times before Macron, like once in 2014(?) and it ruined the PM (at the time Manuel Vals)'s carrier. Macron used it dozens of times throughout his years as President), leaving the National assembly with little manuveur than the censor motion (dissolves the current gov, but leaves the president in power).
That and Macron preparing to sell our public media and hospital to the private certainly don't give me mich confidence in that regards if the RN were to win (' •_•)
I think it's reasonable to call it centrist, despite also being right-wing (ie centre-right)
To me, centrism isn't just about being somewhere in the middle between the left and right of the political environment, but also about having policies that make small adjustments to the current system, as opposed to fundamental, large scale change
having policies that make small adjustments to the current system
Well, that's not really what happened the past few years. Civil rights and social protections have been degraded wayyy faster than by previous rightwing (not claiming to be centrist) governments. Structural change has happened several times, making big changes in some areas. Macron and their buddies don't want to play it small, they want to make big changes.
Do you have some examples of the structural changes he's made? My understanding (disclaimer: I'm not french, so don't follow their politics as closely) was that one of the biggest frustrations both from the left and right is his refusal to make any real change
The biggest event I can think of from his presidency is the retirement change age, but it stands out more to me because of the backlash than the significance of the change itself
Then you are forever looking out the Overton window, and are beholden to those who move it. In this case, Macron has moved it, so you think it's the center.
Can't wait for World War 4 because some white nazi woman wins an election. It will shut up the feminists who believe women are better than men. Women are just as human and just as shit.
You are such an astonishingly stupid misogynist that you don't even realize these elections aren't about a new president and MLP isn't going to be elected in July. You simply prefer to badmouth feminists because no sane woman is attracted in you instead of engaging your brain for even a second.
I get that the French weren't a fan of the Nazi invasion, but avoiding it happening again by pre-empting it with their own Nazi rule isn't the best option.
how many surprised faces will there be when the right fails to actually do anything substantial for the common voter and just fills up their pockets with gov funds (see: hungary)
Yes, but the moment you tighten immigration and say stuff like we can't help everyone, the radical left immediately brands you a nazi, same as the constant harping about centrists.
In the end there are problems with migrants and these need to be adressed. Povery Beiing an important one, but culture and language as well.
At the same time you also need to not forget the smaller towns. Once bus service stops and the last local grocery store closes, it's dead. So then what. People left there feel forgotten, because they are. The free market deemed them unprofitable and left them behind.
Exactly. That's what's happened in Denmark. The facts speak for themselves.
This website is so extremist even the you talking about why this is happening is being down voted. This website doesn't not like anything that exists outside of their bubble.
You know just because you claim that something is true it doesn’t automatically mean that what you say is actually true and the only thing I see in Denmark is a country where the social democrats talk and make policy like the far right. Putting people in camps and stealing their jewelry because they’re not desirable for society, I hope you don’t mind me making the comparison to the Nazis.
The real news is that Melenchon has finally managed to make it to the second round. And the question now is whether Macron's voters are as compromised about stopping fascism as they've claimed for years to the point that they'll vote to *horrified gasp* raise their taxes.
"Those people are dangerous, so we need to make a government that kills people." The world is willing to burn because a few people who are different exist nearby.
French far-right leader Marine Le Pen is urging voters to give her National Rally an "absolute majority" in parliament after estimates showed her party won 34% of the vote.
With France's next parliament set to be decided in the runoff vote next Sunday, leftist Jean-Luc Melenchon said his New Popular Front (NFP) is ready to tactically drop election races if it helps beat far-right RN.
Melenchon is one of the most divisive figures in French politics, enthusing and horrifying voters with his unrestrained tax-and-spend proposals, class war rhetoric and controversial foreign policy positions, probably most notably his longstanding call for France to pull out of NATO.
Earlier in the day, Marine Le Pen, the leader of the National Rally (RN), which is favored to take most of the votes in the poll, also cast her ballot in her party's stronghold in northern France.
Macron's party has said it is committed to cutting the budget deficit to the EU ceiling of 3% of GDP by 2027, but the possibility of achieving this has been called into doubt by institutions from the national auditor to the International Monetary Fund.
Its president, Jordan Bardella, has said that if chosen as prime minister, he would not allow French missiles to be delivered to Ukraine that can strike targets within Russia itself, let alone send troops to the conflict, an idea floated by Macron.
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