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litchralee , to micromobility - Ebikes, scooters, longboards: Whatever floats your goat, this is micromobility in Last Mile Delivery Is Standardizing With Two Cubic Meter Roro Boxes For E-Cargo Trikes - CleanTechnica

Credit where it's due, as the article has a caption declaring that the image is a DALL-E rendering and not actually related to the article. Disclosure is good. Avoiding gratuitous AI renderings would be even better.

The author makes some interesting observations that people not living in dense cities may have noticed. I think the prediction of autonomous low-speed cargo bikes is a bit far fetched and will be chronically "ten years away", but it does highlight the complexity of logistics, for which global companies like FedEx and UPS have to adapt to in the changing urban environment.

As for standard cargo sizes, the author is very careful with his words, predicting that RORO boxes will be standardized, not that all cargo bikes will adopt this shape and form. That's an important distinction, since national and international shipping rely on fitting things together, like Lego bricks. But consumers? They vote with their feet.

Indeed, you can get cargo bikes and trikes in all shapes and forms, and none so far have won out as the dominant form. Whereas standards that the world has basically adopted through sheer use include: the TEU shipping container; the approximate 4-5 ft wheel gauge for automobile, wagons, and chariots going back to the Roman era; standard gauge rail (1435 mm); the SI units (which the US foot is based on, post 1959); bicycle and motorbike chains on the starboard side.

If international shipping settles upon a pallet or RORO box size for their use, then that'll be entirely separate from what consumers will be riding. Not less your hobby involves buying pallet-sized quantities of goods and hauling them back yourself from the shipping terminal.

LesserAbe ,

Right, just like people could theoretically buy a vehicle that transports shipping containers but they have no reason to. I guess where consumers do start to interact personally with standardized container sizes are things like aluminum beverage cans. Personally I'd love to see more standardization but companies selling to individual consumers have an urge to make their packaging as unique as possible.

litchralee ,

I'm racking my brain for any examples where consumer standards followed directly from a container dimensional limitation, and I've come up empty. Obviously, manufacturers and shippers take those considerations seriously so as to maximize volumetric efficiency, but I would think if a consumer good can fit multiple units onto a standard pallet, the shipping system can accommodate it.

Non-standard pallets exist, but I've yet to come across one which was over 2.4 meters (8 ft) on one side, and that was because a leg press is necessarily an odd size.

I'd posit to say that consumer standardization is more focused on components, like Shimano HG-compatible sprockets or USB C. That still leaves room for creating value by combining standardized components into appealing products of different sizes and shapes. But you're right that vendors -- particularly older industries using tech as a differentiator (eg automakers) -- are increasingly diverging from standards to trap people into their ecosystems.

litchralee ,

As an aside, I vaguely recall many years ago, a major TV manufacturer announced a flat panel TV -- maybe plasma? -- so large that it had to be shipped by airplane. And only one such TV could fit, because when placed horizontally it would only fit at the widest part of the cabin.

This is, of course, an incredible waste of aircraft hauling capacity, but I suspect it was more of a tour-de-force than meant for sale. And since that stunt many years ago, LCD manufacturing yields have improved remarkably and TVs have never been cheaper and larger. Once these TVs exceed the height of a TEU, then I think that would be an example of a container limitation affecting the consumer, whichever oddball consumer needs an 2.5 meter high TV lol

nilloc ,

I’ll be surprised if TVs get much larger. We’re already have Modular wall displays if you want a theater at home, though most still use projectors in that situation.

The problem is that most homes don’t have a big enough room for a TV wider than 60 inches or so.

litchralee ,

Agreed. It would have to be something really decadent to warrant larger TVs, like outfitting rooms without windows so that they can still have a floor-to-ceiling "sea view" despite being on the interior of an apartment tower.

And such a thing would be closer to home furnishings rather than what we'd normally consider as consumer goods.

LesserAbe ,

Good thoughts, I was thinking about USB too. I'd love to see standardization of batteries for power tools, but seems like it would require regulation.

These things seem to line up with profit incentive - if it saves the company money, standardize, if it makes the company money, create variation..

RedEyeFlightControl , to science in Membrane-Free Green Hydrogen To Chase The Fossil Fuel Blues Away
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I seriously doubt hydrogen will be a viable long term fuel source outside of very specific applications.

Even with the best production methods, we still can't store it well long term. It causes embrittlement and corrosion to metals, and since the atoms are about as small as atoms get, it's very hard to contain in a pressure vessel without leaks or metal impregnation. Making it and using it aren't the big issue. Storage is.

Hypx ,
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Critics of hydrogen are just repeating BS from either the fossil fuel industry or the battery industry. It is just a repeat of anti-wind and anti-solar rhetoric back when they were just getting started.

IchNichtenLichten ,
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Good grief, no. OP pointed out some valid concerns, which you haven't bothered to address.

Hypx ,
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No he didn't. It's just a bunch of random talking points and myths. He could've copy and pasted that answer from any of thousands of social media posts and it would've been nearly identical.

IchNichtenLichten ,
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Even with the best production methods, we still can’t store it well long term. It causes embrittlement and corrosion to metals, and since the atoms are about as small as atoms get, it’s very hard to contain in a pressure vessel without leaks or metal impregnation. Making it and using it aren’t the big issue. Storage is.

Here they are again. Which bits are myths? Please be specific, thanks.

Hypx ,
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We can it store it long term. It is one of the major strengths of hydrogen. Your claim is near 180 of reality.

IchNichtenLichten ,
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Can you post links to reputable sources? I can't help but notice your entire account is devoted to shilling hydrogen so I'm not going to just take your word for it.

Hypx ,
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People have looked at hydrogen for long term storage. There is real science to back this up. Also, you never provided any sources to begin with. So you are demanding a double standard here.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352152X21011580

IchNichtenLichten ,
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OP was concerned with the issues around storing hydrogen, the article you linked to doesn't mention these challenges at all.

Are they real?

yes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_embrittlement

https://www.energypolicy.columbia.edu/publications/hydrogen-leakage-potential-risk-hydrogen-economy/

Also, you never provided any sources to begin with. So you are demanding a double standard here.

You need to read back. OP raised concerns and you hand-waved them away without evidence. The onus is therefore on you to provide sources, not me. So far you've provided one link that doesn't address these concerns. I've provided two that do.

Hypx ,
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That's the OP. You didn't provide any sources yourself.

The issue of leakage is just a potential risk, as your own link mentions. In practice, it's a non-issue. We don't worry about gasoline begin too dangerous or EVs being too quiet. It is just fearmongering. Like I pointed out in my study, they are looking at hydrogen for long term energy storage, because it is good at it. Your claim that we can't store for long periods is simply wrong.

IchNichtenLichten ,
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Again, you've made claims and provided absolutely no sources to back up your assertions.

This tells me you're not being genuine, as does your shilly posting history.

We're done here.

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