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vk6flab , to World News in Visitor to Taiwan hit with $9,000 fine over 'roast chicken and pork combo' lunch box
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A better headline:

"Visitor to Taiwan attempts to break biosecurity law and is hit with a fine"

testfactor ,

I mean, that headline implies intentionality, no? I doubt the guy knew that his lunch would get him slapped with a $10k fine.

I know I don't Google every single item in my bag to make sure that something like the type of cotton my socks are made of doesn't get me thrown in jail.

FuglyDuck ,
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He wasn’t jailed though. He was sent home.

testfactor ,

I mean, I don't know that that changes my point at all, but if you'd really like me to rephrase it:

I don't Google every item in my suitcase to make sure the the type of cotton my socks are made of won't get me immediately deported and fined $10,000 that I don't have.

FuglyDuck ,
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He tried to bring something in that he (maybe) didn’t know he wasn’t supposed to, got fined? Couldn’t pay it so he got refused entry and sent home.

This is normal behavior at entry points… and should probably serve to make you go “gee I need to check that” before flying to another country.

testfactor ,

Check what though, that's the issue. I would never think that my carnitas burrito from Chipotle might catch me a 10k fine.

And let's be real, there's no reason to put that "(maybe)" in there. Are you suggesting the dude was like, "Ahahaha, my dastardly plan is in motion! I'm going to snuggle 4oz of pork hidden away in my lunch, in direct violation of import controls. It's so clever because I have absolutely no discernable reason I would want to do this on purpose!!!"

And what are you recommending me check? Google every item on the "ingredients" list on my coke zero to make sure I'm not smuggling red dye number 33 into a country that bans it?

Most civilized countries don't fine people $10k for breaking laws that it would be very reasonable they have no idea exist.

FuglyDuck ,
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And let's be real, there's no reason to put that "(maybe)" in there. Are you suggesting the dude was like, "Ahahaha, my dastardly plan is in motion! I'm going to snuggle 4oz of pork hidden away in my lunch, in direct violation of import controls. It's so clever because I have absolutely no discernable reason I would want to do this on purpose!!!"

No.

I’m saying he might have known that pork was banned and didn’t think it was that big of a deal. that happens all the time.

Except it’s actually a really big deal. The ban on pork, specifically, is to prevent ASF from entering the local herd.

Bio controls are one of the few ways to prevent spread; and it takes all of five minutes to check what is or isn’t banned.

Further more he could have declared it- “hey I have this pork lunch,” which would have led to a very different conversation.

And what are you recommending me check? Google every item on the "ingredients" list on my coke zero to make sure I'm not smuggling red dye number 33 into a country that bans it?

It was literally called “chicken and pork combo.” Not exactly hidden.

You don’t have to google anything- except maybe to find their customs website where it’s all very plainly stated.

There are a dozen travel advisory warnings about pork products, specifically, and clearly stating that all pork is barred from entry.

More generally, meat and dairy products are almost always barred from entry (along with most every kind of ag product in general.)

testfactor ,

I can't find the pork ban on the link you provided. The closest I saw was "Quarantine inspection of animals, plants and their derived products" which isn't a prohibition of anything in particular, and the link to the relevant authority literally goes to a dead page.

FuglyDuck ,
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If you were able to find the quarantine inspection the. You probably found the Items subject to other laws

That literally says all live animals and product s from them are banned (with a few exceptions that wouldn’t apply.)

You don’t get to not spend five minutes checking customs before traveling to another country and pretend like you’re the victim for getting dinged.

Particularly since the customs agent is specifically asking if you have anything. “Do you have any food with you…?” (This would be your last chance to declare it).

BeatTakeshi , (edited )
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Are we good with nail clippers now? In hand luggage

catloaf ,

Anywhere with a biosecurity law has signs posted in the most popular languages. And they'll usually tell you not to bring food or animal products into the country in any form. And there are convenient trash cans in case you did bring something you need to get rid of before you hit customs.

testfactor ,

The guy was from Indonesia and routed to Taiwan via Hong Kong. There's a good chance there were no signs or announcements in a language he could understand.

Tryptaminev , (edited )

Do you think he traveled to Taiwan without being able to speak any English or any Mandarin? Also there is a very solid chance that his flight company informed him of the rules as he was booking the flight. Also there is stuff like pictograms. Also Indonesia is majority Muslim country, so being part of a pork eating minority further increases the likeliness of being able to speak at least some other language.

Fiivemacs ,

I've been conditioned by companies too disregard all signs as they are 99% of the time only there to sell garbage and distract me..

SomeoneSomewhere ,

Turning that instinct off when going through security screening, customs, or biosecurity is usually a good idea.

COASTER1921 ,

They take pork products particularly seriously. At least on their flag carrier, China Airlines, it would be incredibly hard to ignore the video played prior to landing with the talking pigs specifically pointing this out.

douglasg14b ,
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See: Hanlon's Razor

Today ,

Bioterrorist deported.

AmidFuror , to World News in Visitor to Taiwan hit with $9,000 fine over 'roast chicken and pork combo' lunch box

What temperature do you have to cook pork to to destroy flu virus? USDA says 145⁰F, but that's more general for bacteria and parasites.

Cooked pork seems very low risk. Taiwan's policy does not appear grounded in science.

rhandyrhoads ,

What if it was only cooked to 130 or 140? Are they supposed to ask and trust everyone what temperature their lunch was cooked to?

LinusSexTips ,

Poor traveler thought they'd heat it up for them on arrival.

RunningInRVA ,

The article states that the virus is very resistant to many environmental changes and can “survive” for a long time on clothes, boots, and even some pork products. This is probably one of many issues involved during an outbreak.

COASTER1921 ,

Almost no countries allow meat products due to potential exposure that couldn't be easily seen. Sometimes for commercially prepared meats there are exceptions but these are in relatively few countries. For countries with substantial livestock keeping diseases out is critical to their economy and therefore treated with such a high level of urgency.

FlyingSquid Mod , to World News in Visitor to Taiwan hit with $9,000 fine over 'roast chicken and pork combo' lunch box
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When are these people going to learn?

Keep. Your meats. Separate.

Roast chicken today, roast pork tomorrow.

fluxion ,

hides his meat lover's pizza

FlyingSquid Mod , (edited )
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Pizza is, of course, always the exception when it comes to separating foods.

someguy3 , to Fuck Cars in How moving freight by rail rather than road could help Australia reduce carbon emissions - ABC News

The why:

  • Trains pay for their infrastructure, trucks don't pay for the road.

  • Time. Shipping by rail means lots of sitting and shunting into different trains. Trucks can just go.

  • First and last mile. Because we have set up industry and commence to work off road, that means to go by rail has a first and last mile that has to be truck anyway. So double/triple handling adding to cost. I wonder if we'll redo some.

Setting up rails to be autonomous single cars powered by overhead electrical lines that can just go from one location to the next could solve a lot of this.

mondoman712 ,

Your first point isn't exactly true for the rails relevant to the article. Outside some mining railways, the track is owned by the Australian federal government, like the roads. I don't know how the usage fees and tax structures compare between the two modes.

With regards to your second point, it depends on the cargo as to whether that matters. A lot of the cargo will also travel by ship for some of its journey, and that will take a lot more time, so the land side journey time doesn't really matter.

Autonomous pod bullshit doesn't help here. One of the major advantages of rail freight is the economies of scale. You load up a big efficient train full of stuff because you have so much stuff heading in one direction.

The article actually has a quote that sums up the why:

"It's largely due to the inefficiencies of a fragmented national rail network, ailing infrastructure and government policy and investment that favours road over rail."

The answer is just to invest in rail and incentivise its use.

someguy3 , (edited )

That's pretty interesting to hear about the government owning the rail. Wasn't aware anyone did that. Depends on the fees for each but for the ones I'm aware of truck fees are negligible.

This article was talking about "across the country", the example being between Melbourne and Sydney.

Autonomous trains are a legitimate idea. Yes it gets a lot of attention from 'innovators' which make it sound like a scam, but it's legit idea. It has a lot of hurdles to get through. It solves some problems like not having to shunt and move individual cars around which can be a real problem. The economy of scale of one long train is a double edge sword, it introduces a lot of arrangement, assembly, moving individual cars around at the start and finish, and time (cost of inventory in transit is very real). Also it allows one crew (people are expensive) for many cars. I don't think there's a fundamental reason we can't do both on the same system. When you get down to it the benefit of rail is that steel on steel has lower rolling resistance, lower wear and tear, and cheaper infrastructure.

mondoman712 ,

Government owned infrastructure is common outside North America.

Autonomous trains work in sealed environments (e.g. a metro tunnel) and make sense when you're running trains every few minutes or less (e.g. a metro system). For freight the ideas are thrown around to scare workers into agreeing to worse terms under the threat of losing their jobs to automation.

drkt ,
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That’s pretty interesting to hear about the government owning the rail.

Isn't that the norm? Denmark also owns its rails.

Bookmeat , to Fuck Cars in How moving freight by rail rather than road could help Australia reduce carbon emissions - ABC News

These guys have been watching Utopia.

autotldr Bot , to World News in Chinese nationals are trying to get to Australia by boat over a weak economy and political oppression at home

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But as the sun set on the fourth day, strong winds and huge waves saw the group still floating on the ocean, with Li feeling nauseous and hopeless.

What happened next hit national headlines, reviving a fierce debate about border security and boat arrivals that has vexed successive federal governments for decades.

Their fishing boat, carrying six Chinese men on board — including an alleged smuggler — was intercepted by Indonesian authorities as they tried to make their way to Australia.

It's rare to see people from China — a middle-income country — opting for illegal migration pathways to leave, according to Victor Shih, an associate professor in Chinese political science at the University of California, San Diego.

"The latest figure [from the Central Bank] also just simply reveals that people don't find a lot of opportunities for making investments in China at this moment," Professor Yang said.

As the men barely spoke any English, they communicated with officers from the centre through mobile translation apps, and when they had meetings with police and the immigration department, there was an interpreting hotline set up for them.


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Red_October , to World News in Chinese police were allowed into Australia to speak with a woman. They breached protocol and escorted her back to China

"Escort back to China" sure is a weird way of saying they kidnapped her.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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Traditionally, countries will have extradition agreements that facilitate arrest of criminals in flight.

Thanks to break down in relations between China and Western states, it has become increasingly common for Chinese embezzlers and con-artists to flee abroad with cash assets in hopes of evading arrest.

Of course, this works both ways with Australian felony suspects hiding in China to the same effect.

In 2017, the Turnbull government abruptly withdrew from parliament a proposed Chinese extradition treaty following significant backbench discontent.

Since then, the Australian government has resorted to various agreements with MPS and other Chinese security agencies as a means of cooperating with China on criminal matters.

So this becomes an end run for both countries to seek "voluntary" extradition, primarily by threatening potential accomplices and family property in the original country.

And it exists for good reason. You generally don't want your country to become a haven for fraudsters because they'll keep committing fraud in their new country.

Yvette Wang, accused of being an accomplice of exiled and indicted Chinese billionaire Guo Wengui, pleaded guilty in New York last week to defrauding many investors out of over $1 billion in "a complex scheme," prosecutors said.

zephyreks ,

Fraud in China has far worse consequences than fraud in Australia. Even if I were to be arrested, I'd prefer it to happen in Australia where I can get off with a slap on the wrist.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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Even if I were to be arrested, I’d prefer it to happen in Australia

https://nit.com.au/05-02-2024/9636/roebourne-regional-prison-cells-still-without-air-conditioning-in-extreme-heat

On Monday, as the temperature soared to 43 C in Roebourne, the Service revealed the "distressing outcome" is that prisoners are still living in cells without air-conditioning, in "conditions that could prove fatal from heat stress or heat stroke".

Enjoy yourself, I guess.

barsquid ,

How much you want to bet that jail has even a single white collar criminal in it exposed to 43 C heat?

Aradina ,

Fraudsters aren't being shipped to a regional prison in one of the most remote areas of the country lol

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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True. White collar crimes getting the white glove treatment isn't unusual in the West, no matter how many lives are ruined.

nomous ,

I'll take 43C/109F to a forced labor internment camp but you do you.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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I’ll take 43C/109F

I would pass on it.

nomous ,
UnderpantsWeevil ,
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Oasis agriculture in the Tarim Basin occupies a large part of the population

In the Tarim Basin, July temperatures average about 80 °F (27 °C)

...

After the Cultural Revolution, political and economic policies were moderated, leading to widespread improvement in the livelihood of farmers and pastoralists and to relative stability and economic growth in the region. This was accompanied—especially from the late 1990s—by increased economic investment in Xinjiang, as well as by an influx of Han from other parts of China.

Sounds awful. Enjoy your Australian prison.

nomous ,

And you enjoy your Chinese internment camp, maybe your organs will fetch a nice price for the apparatchik.

Or maybe westerners will look and point drunkenly at your plasticized, dissected body for entertainment.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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Premier Exhibitions Inc is an Atlanta, Georgia-based company that organizes traveling exhibitions.

The Chinese of Atlanta Georgia?

nomous ,

The one I saw was in Las Vegas but every single body was Chinese.

The reality is I'd rather sit in a Aussie prison in 46/115 heat than in a Chinese prison at a nice balmy 25/77.

Do you think the Chinese prison system is a better place than the Australian prison system?

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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I’d rather sit in a Aussie prison in 46/115 heat than in a Chinese prison at a nice balmy 25/77.

I'm sorry if Chinese people make you feel so uncomfortable that you'd rather broil than be near them

nomous ,

I have no issue with Asian people. It's the prison system that's the issue, but you know that and just want to cry racist because claiming the Chinese prison system is preferable is laughable at best, nice try tankie.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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It’s the prison system that’s the issue

The Chinese prison system. Whereas the Australian prison system that kills people with heat stroke isn't a problem, because...

the Chinese prison system is preferable is laughable

Of course. Its doing all the progressive-y policies that big liberal states like California rolled back under the Reagan Era. Rehabilitation, job training, quality health care, and public reintegration are all policies the US system dismantled a generation ago, because it was seen as "Hugs for Thugs" and "Soft on Crime".

nomous ,

You're going to believe whatever you do tankie, the rest of us know reality.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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believe whatever you do

It helps to base beliefs on sound data and observational evidence.

the rest of us know reality

Shouting "tankie" at your computer monitor is not a sign of strong reality-based reasoning.

nomous , (edited )

I'm the only one that's posted any links to any data or "observational evidence" (tips fedora lol neckbeard). All you've done is vaguely hint at Chinese prisons being preferable to Aussie ones.

I've never really gotten to see one of you in the wild.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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I’m the only one that’s posted any links to any data

Ah, so you're delusional. Cool.

nomous ,

Fascinating.

Ever visted?

TachyonTele ,

They're not saying they want to go to prison in Australia. They're saying it would obviously be better than going to prison in freaking China.

I feel like you're a Chinese prison salesman or something.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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They’re not saying they want to go to prison in Australia.

No, they're just hanging their hat on "China Always Worse".

you’re a Chinese prison salesman

That's a sane and logical conclusion

TachyonTele ,

they’re just hanging their hat on “China Always Worse”.

Compared to Australia? Yes, going to prison in China would be worse.

TokenBoomer ,

Thanks. That’s what I needed to know.

mycathas9lives , to World News in Chinese police were allowed into Australia to speak with a woman. They breached protocol and escorted her back to China

I am not supplies

Erdgeist ,

Surprised

wick ,

You callin' him a liar? >_>

wick , to World News in Chinese police were allowed into Australia to speak with a woman. They breached protocol and escorted her back to China

4 years without a headline. The AFP didn't even consider this objectionable. The AFP are scum.

GiddyGap , to World News in Chinese police were allowed into Australia to speak with a woman. They breached protocol and escorted her back to China

Why the heck would Australia even allow Chinese police on their soil? Isn't this usually done by requesting extradition? Makes no sense.

randint , to World News in Chinese police were allowed into Australia to speak with a woman. They breached protocol and escorted her back to China
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Kinda glad where I live there's absolutely no way our government would allow CCP police to reach me. (unless the CCP police goes undercover and kidnaps me)

index ,

Sure about it?

AeonFelis ,

If they talk about the USA - then yes. Not because the government loves its citizens and respects their rights - simply because it hates China.

nomous ,

Depends, are we talking about Chinese nationals or immigrants? They a naturalized citizen? I remember some reports about Chinese people being harassed by Chinese police here in the U.S. just last year.

index ,

Still If there's someone they need in china they would probably trade you over

dumblederp ,

USA doesn't pay enough attention. A few CCP spies with a van and a blackjack could grab someone in USA 100% and you're deluded if you think otherwise.

randint ,
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Pretty sure there's no way my government would allow it. Sure, secretly kidnapping me might not be too difficult, but my government would never officially give permission to the CCP police to have a talk with me (as the Australian govt. did in this article). I live in Taiwan btw.

Treczoks , to World News in Chinese police were allowed into Australia to speak with a woman. They breached protocol and escorted her back to China

There must have been some kind of cooperation, Australia has custom offices and border controls at airports and harbours. They won't let her out without looking at her passport, etc.

x0chi ,

Read the news better..

grue ,

Maybe they shoved her in a diplomatic pouch.

Hobbes_Dent , to World News in Chinese police were allowed into Australia to speak with a woman. They breached protocol and escorted her back to China

Can't speak for Australians, but as a Canadian who expects that the same could happen here - why the fuck are our governments so apathetic about this shit?.

Stand up for the people trusting you. Be MAD. Stop doing it if you're also doing it.

kungen ,

Even the article is apathetic... they write "escorted" her back to China, when it'd actually be "kidnapped" or "abducted"...?

Hupf ,

I cannot not read this in Cave Johnson's voice.

AngryCommieKender ,

I didn't read it that way the first time, but yep. J. K. Simmons energy all over that comment.

Wanderer ,

In the UK there was a peaceful protester and the Chinese dragged him into the embassy grounds and beat him in front of the public. They have diplomatic immunity.

Nothing was done obviously.

No wonder China and Russia shit over us and act like we are weak. We are. We proved it multiple times.

Fuck the West is shadow of what it once was.

WhatAmLemmy ,

Yeah, it's not like western governments, "intelligence" agencies or police would ever beat protesters, persecute political dissidents, murder civilians, torture suspects in designated black sites, ally with dictatorships who torture and murder journalists with bone saws, overthrow democratically elected governments, or engage in any behavior that is horrifically anti-democratic or anti-human rights.

That time when the west was historically great was a lie. We were only better than fascism or communism, but our ruling class, the politicians they own, and their corporations have always engaged in horrific shit. Ours just hide behind the media and a liability shield of a dozen LLC's, or do it hidden behind closed doors — unless you're a palestinian, protester, communist, or a dozen other groups who are okay to oppress publicly at any given time.

Chee_Koala ,

Yeah and everyone knows: Whataboutisms are a really great way to argue your point!

WhatAmLemmy ,

It would be Whataboutism if I defended the accusations against China or Russia. I explicitly said we were better — just only better than the bottom of the barrel — and the whole point of my comment was to refute the right-wing nationalist fantasy that we were historically "strong", "great" or "righteous"; a time that never existed in reality.

I suggest you learn what maketh a logical fallacy.

ArmokGoB ,

I think this is what molotov cocktails were made for.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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Might want to look up the etymology. Molotovs tended to be aimed at Western partisans.

jalkasieni ,

The name originally comes from Finland and the Winter War, where they were used against soviet tanks.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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As a result, the Finns sarcastically dubbed the Soviet incendiary cluster bombs "Molotov bread baskets"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov_cocktail

You are confusing the Hungarian Revolt in '56 with the Winter War in '39.

catloaf ,

Why don't you quote that whole paragraph:

The name's origin came from the propaganda Molotov produced during the Winter War, mainly his declaration on Soviet state radio that incendiary bombing missions over Finland were actually "airborne humanitarian food deliveries" for their "starving" neighbours.[13][10][better source needed] As a result, the Finns sarcastically dubbed the Soviet incendiary cluster bombs "Molotov bread baskets" (Finnish: Molotovin leipäkori) in reference to Molotov's propaganda broadcasts.[14][10] When the hand-held bottle firebomb was developed to attack and destroy Soviet tanks, the Finns called it the "Molotov cocktail", as "a drink to go with his food parcels".[15][16]

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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I gave you the link, my guy. I assumed you knew how to click it.

nomous ,

You were wrong and doubled-down. You should read the things you link my guy.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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You were wrong

My guy, its right there in black and white.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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the Chinese dragged him into the embassy grounds and beat him in front of the public

Uh... any link on that? I'm not finding this reference anywhere.

blackn1ght ,
UnderpantsWeevil ,
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The article isn't clear as to what precipitated the brawl

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clash_at_the_Consulate_General_of_China,_Manchester

The individual was part of a crowd attempting to harass individuals within the embassy, not someone police snatched off the street at random.

Bob appears to have tried to drag off a member of the consult in the act of tearing down signs, only to be pulled inside himself in a tug of war with the consulate staff.

Nothing about this looks peaceful.

FiniteBanjo ,

Devil's Advocacy:

The why is really really simple. The actions taken in result have the potential to cause more harm than help. Tariffs don't work, censureship is useless, and war is... yeah. They can get up on stage and shout about how angry they are but it means fuck all. The important part is how WE deal with it. Legislature starts from the grass roots level, political activism and engagement can help make new laws that expressly do not allow extradition by the CCP and other adversarial nations, or in any way allow an arm of the CCP to search for or request information on any individuals.

CoffeeJunkie , to World News in Chinese police were allowed into Australia to speak with a woman. They breached protocol and escorted her back to China

Chinese Communist Party's....anti-corruption drive. Next up, we've got prostitutes fucking for virginity. 🤪

Mango , to World News in Chinese police were allowed into Australia to speak with a woman. They breached protocol and escorted her back to China

Sounds to me like China is asking for a bomb. Australia should give them one. You don't come steal my cat after asking for pets unless you want me to show up at your door and shoot you in the face.

irreticent ,
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!iAmVeryBadass

Mango ,

Would you do less for your cat?

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